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Analysis Best SOS recruiting performance? 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018 Draftees?

which year did SOS provide the best slections

  • 2015 Draftees no doubt- regardless of players traded for picks

    Votes: 72 71.3%

  • 2015 draftees but he had to give up to much

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • 2016 draftees

    Votes: 28 27.7%
  • Total voters
    101

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La Dispute said:
I've seen more GWS posters critical of SOS' recruiting, which is ironic. Set them up perfectly, found every loophole to give them access to top talent (with the AFL's assistance) and balanced their list needs so they had multiple young guns coming through in every position.

He had a few misses along the way: O'Rourke (average, but also injured), Plowman (big reach at 3, but will be a solid AFL player), Pickett (injured), Ahern (injured), Marchbank (injured regularly, young KP), McKenna (massive reach, but still on an AFL list) - ultimately though, all these players have reasons for not having played much.

GWS also have endless depth and an exclusive academy to keep talented players out of the team. I don't see 2012 and 2014 as an indictment on SOS' performance at all and we will know more about how good these players are in the coming years. Lucky for us, many will be in Blues colour(s).
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Pheww as long a Jaksch wasnt a reach I am happy
 
Way too hard to compare, different drafts, this year there was no clear cut standout whereas JW was the clear standout the year before but this year's draft was said to "bat" deeper. Overall SOS has killed it IMO. Look out we will be moving up the ladder rapidly, starting in 2017
 
I prefer to look at 2015, '16 and next year as one big draft period...

Every year, every team sits down, assess their list and goes to the draft. Almost in an ad hoc manner. They make their picks, get their player and worry about it again in twelve months....

It's fairly clear that we have a very definite and specific, long term plan mapped out for the list.
At the beginning of 2015, the discussion would've been about the next two or three drafts as a whole, what the team would look like in 2018 and beyond, not just the immediate requirements...

Comparing these draft years is like comparing the four quarters of one game. There will be good and bad patches, but ultimately it's the game you play overall that determines the outcome...
 

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La Dispute said:
I've seen more GWS posters critical of SOS' recruiting, which is ironic. Set them up perfectly, found every loophole to give them access to top talent (with the AFL's assistance) and balanced their list needs so they had multiple young guns coming through in every position.

He had a few misses along the way: O'Rourke (average, but also injured), Plowman (big reach at 3, but will be a solid AFL player), Pickett (injured), Ahern (injured), Marchbank (injured regularly, young KP), McKenna (massive reach, but still on an AFL list) - ultimately though, all these players have reasons for not having played much.

GWS also have endless depth and an exclusive academy to keep talented players out of the team. I don't see 2012 and 2014 as an indictment on SOS' performance at all and we will know more about how good these players are in the coming years. Lucky for us, many will be in Blues colour(s).
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Misses are relative. GWS have turned many of those into trade wins ...

IIRC, GWS felt early on that other clubs weren't trading suitable, mature players for their draft picks so they chose to stockpile talent.
They have a particularly good list, and are rightly favourites for the flag, and still have more than their fair share of academy talent.
What changes for GWS as I understand it:
1. From 2017, same salary cap and list numbers as all other clubs, and
2. From 2017, a GWS matching academy pick will actually drive other draft picks down (GWS will be limited to the same number of draft picks as available list spots).

The stockpiling talent strategy has clearly worked.
Dom Tyson to Melbourne for pick 2.
Adam Treloar to Collingwood for two years worth of first round picks.
Jono O'Rourke to Hawthorn for 19 and a swap of picks in 40s.
Curtly Hampton for Adelaide's future second rounder.
The GWS 4 (complex but we ended up with pick 8 in 2015), I think the Menzel and Henderson trades also fed into this trade.
Jaksch and Whiley 2014 pick 18 for our 2014 pick 7 (I would say GWS won that trade significantly).
Perhaps Melbourne got slightly the better of the Bugg trade swapping its pick 10 for GWS' pick 7 and a couple of lower picks.

It goes on, but of interest this year are players on the fringe / injured ...
Marchbank and Pickett (and Smedts) for essentially Tuohy, our 2017 second rounder and Geelong's 2017 first rounder.
Cam McCarthy for swap of picks 3 and 7.
Jack Steele and Will Hoskin-Elliot both for 2017 second rounders.
Ahern, Stewart and Palmer for low draft picks or swap of low picks.

Of those, GWS could say McCarthy (if not ill) and Treloar (in a forward pocket), would be in its best 22 if still at the club. Pickett and Marchbank were injured and GWS were disappointed to lose Marchbank, however Tomlinson, Corr and others are more than adequate tall defenders on GWS' list.

Glad to have SOS on our team. May be the edge when a Shiel or a Cameron becomes a FA.
 
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For those critiquing SOS's drafting at GWS, here's a question - how many of those drafted have been delisted compared to traded?
I don't know the numbers but gut feel is not many. Other clubs have been willing to pay well for guys that haven't made the grade for what ever reason, so they must also believe in these guys. Not often you get clubs giving away 1st or 2nd round picks on unknown potential!

At Carlton, SOS has drafted/traded precisely to best practises in list management. Not sure how many will actually make the grade just yet or even become elite but he has gone with KP players 1st and midfield 2nd. He has built our bookends and now proceeds to populate the midfield. He will now start to build depth and top up in area's such as ruck or KP forward....what ever we find is lacking. Can't fault the list management setup. It's now up to development and coaching.
 
therubbernub said:
Do we know what Brodie has been recognized for? Was he responsible for any particular pick that a quayle or similar couldnt have picked? I just dont get what these guys do. The talent is served up on a platter for viewing during the various carnivals and now we have the allstars game as a finale. There isnt much talent that can slip under the radar anymore- unless you go off piste and find a roughy who turns out a diamond. Frought with danger as carlton supporters well know. So what is it that PB brings to the table?
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Quayle and co speak to 18 recruiters to gather a list they publish a day before the draft. The recruitment teams do all the hard work.
 
Bump.

Straight after last year's draft, I was a little underwhelmed. And I still think there's more star power in the 2015 haul, but I reckon it's pretty close now. SPS, Fisher, Williamson and MacReadie have shown plenty. And then if you add in the trades that netted Marchbank and Pickett, that's a pretty impressive haul. Especially since we had less early picks last year.

Hoping SOS can find a way to weave his magic again this year (in both draft and trade).
 
SOSOS - pick 55
Williamson - pick 61

Be happy if we can get a player outside the top 50 every year
 

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how do we go about assessing good draft picking?
clearly its easier to pick a great player with pick 1 than pick 30.

maybe we should be using the points value attributed to each pick and them comparing that to the end quality of the pick... there is also injury and other unknowns that effect the end quality of a player. (this could be consider the "luck" portion of the pick, if the tractor had an injury free career like gibbs has, he would have been a far better player for CFC)

3000 Weitering
1395 Mckay
1268 Curnow
815 cuningham
233 silvagni
6611 total


1751 SPS
703 Fisher
316 Macreadie
158 polson
135 Williamson
90 Kerr
3153 total

This tells us SOS had twice as much resources at his disposal!

assessing and giving value to player performance in pretty tricky across different positions and years of experience. Also assessing what players were about at those pics and passed over and how strong the draft was...

Weitering- no brainer
McKay- limited exposure, unclear
Curnow- some how appears a master stroke, named in afl all australian under 22 (at age 20) but was it luck? SOS passed him at pick 10... if the draft were held again today Curnow may go pick 1!
Cuningham- nailed a RS nom, looking the goods so far.
SOJ- can SOS really get any credit for picking his wife's son? credit goes to him for keeping the wrapping paper on him.

2016
I suspect there will turn out to be less out and out star power result from this draft but we could still see 600 CFC games come from the draft.
 
So of the draftees only:

2015 - Weitering, Charlie, Cuningham and Jack are Best 22 and Harry showed plenty in his 2 senior games to suggest he will be Best 22 by the end of 2018.

2016 - SPS, Fisher and Williamson are Best 22 and Macreadie is more than capable of filling a role in defence. Polson and Kerr showed promise in the VFL.

SOS had the higher batch of draft picks after trading astutely before the 2015 draft. In 2016, SOS showed that he can identify serious talent lower down in the draft.

This year's draft with the one high pick (3 currently) then pick 38 and so on will be particularly challenging. Perhaps losing Gibbs (and gaining Rockliff) will give SOS a few more chips to play with.

How many more chips?

So far, only 4 from the Senior list with Armfield and Gorringe retired, and Jaksch and Sumner delisted.
 
barass70 said:
Kerr will be a player.
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Would like to see him run out for the start of next season. Big pre-season.

I had high hopes to see Polson most of the year, hopefully injury free and a position beckons forward/midfield next season too.

Macreadie is the strange one, managed games but plenty of taller backs to choose from. How to play him regularly without going to too tall/young.

Very happy at this stage with the haul of 2016 prospects.
 

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I think 2016 was harder to pull off and yet it appears he pulled it off. So I think he deserves huge credit for last year, granted he lost the 2017 second rounder.

Draft picks not as good as the previous year and yet he seems to have scored well with later picks like Willo, Kerr, Polson etc.

And his GWS haul was better in 2016 ... Pickett, Marchbank and Macreadie whereas the gooduns from 2015's were Plowman, Phillips and Lamb.

In saying that the wheeling and dealing that delivered us Curnow and McKay could end up historic masterstrokes.

TBH I'm more focussed on how he pulls off the next couple months because with the limited trade collateral at his disposal and a poor draft he's going to be challenged. It's why I think he might trade Gibbs so long as the return is reasonable. I'm not suggesting he's going to commit to trading BG just to give hungry stakeholders something, more so I think he knows we are still a way off where we need to be and therefore he knows we still need to shake the proverbial tree. My guy feel is he might trade BG in a bid to get as many bites as possible in the top 12-15 or so in this year's draft. After all it's always been about stockpiling quality youth.
 
Kerr + a dedicated running coach to find incremental improvements in agility (particularly), acceleration and endurance = long-term AFL player.

Has the character, drive and cerebral footballing ability to make it.

2015 crop has more star power, which is to be expected, but for SOS to find half a dozen AFL players with sub-optimal picks in 2016 is ridiculous.
 
barass70 said:
Kerr will be a player.
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He was the one draftee from last year I wasn't sure about. Looked like a one dimensional FF type. Watching him at NB's this year has changed my mind. Has the tools and the application to be mobile tall forward. I expect him to play a fair bit of senior footy in 2018

To see a Kerr run out for Carlton will nearly be as good as seeing a Silvagni in Navy Blue
 
Soapy V said:
He was the one draftee from last year I wasn't sure about. Looked like a one dimensional FF type. Watching him at NB's this year has changed my mind. Has the tools and the application to be mobile tall forward. I expect him to play a fair bit of senior footy in 2018

To see a Kerr run out for Carlton will nearly be as good as seeing a Silvagni in Navy Blue
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Kerr has looked limited to me, although he did look good in several VFL games this year.

I'm not even sure which position he'll ultimately be playing. Is he a KPF? A third tall forward? I don't know.
 
HARKER said:
Kerr has looked limited to me, although he did look good in several VFL games this year.

I'm not even sure which position he'll ultimately be playing. Is he a KPF? A third tall forward? I don't know.
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Is there such a thing these days? Need to be mobile and have a great defensive side as well. I see him a bit like Jack Darling or even Jack Reiwoldt. Maybe he even plays a similar role to SOS?
 

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