Analysis Best SOS recruiting performance? 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018 Draftees?

[Metalcrusher]

I’m not sold on SPS yet

Interesting ….. I'm sold on his skills …. just not his desire or application to task … same as Pickett

 

[Metalcrusher]

fisher was simply an inspired choice...........dream pick...........would walk into every team..........

Nemo rocks ….. 6'11" giant squished into a 5'8"explosive package ….. busting …. moist …. lush.

 

[Bluebag13]

Interesting ….. I'm sold on his skills …. just not his desire or application to task … same as Pickett

I reckon that’s super harsh. Guy hasn’t had a full preseason in his career and he is only 20 years old and played pretty much every game except 2 or 3. That takes a lot of application and drive


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[Mr_Plow]

Interesting ….. I'm sold on his skills …. just not his desire or application to task … same as Pickett

He's waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Pickett in the professionalism and application departments.

I'm seriously ****ing annoyed with Jarrod.

 

[pinot]

His stats are actually pretty good for a young 19-20 year old mid. Dow is tracking the same way - SPS probably had a better first year than Dow but SPS had Gibbs in the team. Its amazing what these kids can do when they have senior support around them and they had next to none last year with Docherty, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer missing large chunks of last season except Gibbs not being there at all.

 

[HARKER]

I think this thread needs to be updated with 2017 and 2018 drafts.
SOS has actually nailed each one. He continually puts us in a better position than the year before, and his outside the box thinking is such an asset to have. The best list manager in the league.

The thing i love most about the new regime is that everything is kept in house. With the old team you would know who we are picking a week before the draft. Where as now, not even the player knew he was getting picked up!

The path the build has taken us was a 'move on the old and bring in the new'
We really have only 4 players that may take a some replacing over the next few years and even here a couple may be debatable; Simpson, Murphy, ECurnow and of course Matthew Kreuzer.
The bulk of the quality is in the 25 years of age and younger bracket, meaning that in the most, these players will have years of playing together ahead of them.

Clearly the model is for sustained success and that will come but we just don't know as to what level that may arrive at.
Having gone what seems to have been the worst of the rebuild, it can and will only get better. There's no other way.

The 66 game rebuild though seems more like an 88 game rebuild to me, as there are still a couple glaring gaps in our make-up.
I thought 2018 was were the last pieces may fall into place, but not to be. That's OK, we have another year to wait. No problem.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

SOS draftees and trades in my best 22:

Pre-SOS - Kreuzer, Murphy, Cripps, Docherty, Simpson, Ed Curnow, Jones (7)

2015 - Weitering, McKay, Charlie Curnow, Plowman (4)

2016 - SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Marchbank (4)

2017 - Dow, Kennedy (2)

2018 - McGovern, Setterfield, Walsh (3)

So that is 20 ... 7 Pre-SOS, 8 from draft and 5 from trades.


And those on the fringe of my 22 (and depth)

Pre-SOS - Levi, Thomas

2015 - Jack SOS, Cuningham (Phillips depth)

2016 - Macreadie, Pickett (Polson, Kerr depth)

2017 - LO’b (Lobbe, TDK, Garlett, Lang, Schumacher depth)

2018 - Fasolo, Newman, Stocker (BSOS, O’Dwyer depth)

which is 10 (and 10) ... 2 Pre-SOS, 5 from draft and 3 from trades (and 7 from draft and 3 from trades)

 

[Opine]

SPS is a midfielder, and needs to play in the guts.. he is not a small fwd, and if he is played anywhere but in the guts he will fail. He needs to regularly get his hands on the footy and plays with confidence. If we back him in, I have no doubt he develops into an elite player.

Think his best games were early on in his first year. Can't remember precisely who they were against; it may have been Tigers and Pies.
In both of those games he appeared to be playing at left HF. His poise and use of foot on both sides was sublime. I remember one gather along the boundary and a left foot pinpoint pass across his body to a player in space. I see him as being more suited to an opportunistic HF type of role with freedom to roam, rather than as a deep small forward or a pure guts at each contest type.

 

[Bostonian]

SOS is obsessed with APS/Private school players.

Since he's taken over lots of Grammar and College kids.

Walsh, Stocker, Dow, O'Brien, Weitering, SPS, McKay, Curnow, Macreadie, Fisher, Polson, De Koning, Kerr, Williamson, Silvagni x 2, Cunningham, O'Dwyer.

Public school kids aren't something SOS drafts much. All the youth SOS has drafted is private school.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I don’t think it’s a fixation that is exclusive to SOS. If you want to play AFL I suggest you attend a school where your parents pay serious cash for the privilege.

 

[Cripptonite]

2015- Can't go past this as our best. Charlie, Weiters and Mckay will be our pillars for the next 10 years. In saying that, we had great picks.

2016- Great value picks. Fisher at 25, Williamson in the 60's, Polson Kerr and SPS not bad either.

2017- Dow IMO will be best from the draft. O'Brien & TDK should be good too. Again we had a good hand.

2018- It's all speculative and it was probably our weakest hand due to our trade period. Walsh & Stocker should be jets though!

They are very tough to rank. Right now I think 2015 was our best return at the moment, but they all look decent on paper and the value will fluctuate so much over the next 10 years.

 

[Mr_Plow]

SOS is obsessed with APS/Private school players.

Since he's taken over lots of Grammar and College kids.

Walsh, Stocker, Dow, O'Brien, Weitering, SPS, McKay, Curnow, Macreadie, Fisher, Polson, De Koning, Kerr, Williamson, Silvagni x 2, Cunningham, O'Dwyer.

Public school kids aren't something SOS drafts much. All the youth SOS has drafted is private school.

Not exactly going to find elite footballers at Glenroy college.

The best players from public schools are extracted and put into private school programs.

 

[Bostonian]

I don’t think it’s a fixation that is exclusive to SOS. If you want to play AFL I suggest you attend a school where your parents pay serious cash for the privilege.

Not suggesting it's not happening elsewhere, but to have zero public school kids looks like there's a bias in recruitment strategies.

 

[Bostonian]

Not exactly going to find elite footballers at Glenroy college.

The best players from public schools are extracted and put into private school programs.

Jack Lukosius and Izak Rankine were both public school kids.

So is Quaynor and Zac Butters.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

SOS is obsessed with APS/Private school players.

Since he's taken over lots of Grammar and College kids.

Walsh, Stocker, Dow, O'Brien, Weitering, SPS, McKay, Curnow, Macreadie, Fisher, Polson, De Koning, Kerr, Williamson, Silvagni x 2, Cunningham, O'Dwyer.

Public school kids aren't something SOS drafts much. All the youth SOS has drafted is private school.

SPS is rather a stretch in your argument.

 

[The Bighouse]

SOS is obsessed with APS/Private school players.

Since he's taken over lots of Grammar and College kids.

Walsh, Stocker, Dow, O'Brien, Weitering, SPS, McKay, Curnow, Macreadie, Fisher, Polson, De Koning, Kerr, Williamson, Silvagni x 2, Cunningham, O'Dwyer.

Public school kids aren't something SOS drafts much. All the youth SOS has drafted is private school.

Not sure it really matters, as long as they can play at AFL level.

 

[Bostonian]

SPS is rather a stretch in your argument.

He was a boarder at a Christian Brothers school. No different to Williamson boarding at St Pats.

 

[Bostonian]

Not sure it really matters, as long as they can play at AFL level.

It does if we overlook players from public schools in favour of private ones.

Not saying it's happening. Just on optics though it could seem that way.

I hadn't ever noticed it until a friend and fellow Carlton supporter whose kids played TAC Cup pointed it out. He wasn't happy with the Stocker trade and said SOS private school obsession continues.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

He was a boarder at a Christian Brothers school. No different to Williamson boarding at St Pats.

SPS might have been a boarder at a Perth College, but his background was his first 15 years growing up in the Kimberleys and not learning English until afterwards.

So I would say massively different to a ‘College’ or ‘Grammar’ education.

 

[Bostonian]

SPS might have been a boarder at a Perth College, but his background was his first 15 years growing up in the Kimberleys and not learning English until afterwards.

So I would say massively different to a ‘College’ or ‘Grammar’ education.

So he was a private school kid when he was drafted. Not a public school.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Jack Lukosius and Izak Rankine were both public school kids.

So is Quaynor and Zac Butters.

There's probably more value in scouting the private schools, though, due to sheer weight of numbers and talent.

Our scouts would have seen the public school kids at TAC level, which is probably where Stocker was heavily scouted as he finished the season with dominance (despite being private school educated).

 

[The Bighouse]

There's probably more value in scouting the private schools, though, due to sheer weight of numbers and talent.

Our scouts would have seen the public school kids at TAC level, which is probably where Stocker was heavily scouted as he finished the season with dominance (despite being private school educated).

Don’t a lot of good younger players get scholarships, or the like, to the private schools? Makes sense if the talent is being channeled through there to begin with.

 

[Bostonian]

There's probably more value in scouting the private schools, though, due to sheer weight of numbers and talent.

With the pitifully small area we have for our academy we'd have to be relying on public school players coming through else we'll get very little from it. How many elite private schools fall within that area?

Our scouts would have seen the public school kids at TAC level, which is probably where Stocker was heavily scouted as he finished the season with dominance (despite being private school educated).

No doubt the public school kids will be spotted at TAC level, we just aren't drafting any.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Interesting ….. I'm sold on his skills …. just not his desire or application to task … same as Pickett

Wtf

 

[GapInIkonPark]

So he was a private school kid when he was drafted. Not a public school.

Same as Cyril Rioli was from Scotch College.