Finally, a flag for a club that hasn't ever bottomed out?

[PowerForGood]

Dangerfield (pick 10) / Davis (pick 10) / Gold Coast concession / GWS concessions / Academy/ Father-Son live bidding

Thanks much appreciated. Pretty impressive.
A bit like Port being so embarrassingly bad for a couple of years yet we still couldn't get a single top 3 pick let alone a pick 1 or priority pick. Some clubs get all the breaks.

 

[radiojake]

What happened in the 2013 draft? Why did you have no picks until the second round?

Was that Tippet related?

Lost first & second round draft picks for 2012/2013 for the Tippett rubbish

Traded Bernie Vince to Melbourne to get back into the 2nd Round of 2013 -

 

[radiojake]

A bit like Port being so embarrassingly bad for a couple of years yet we still couldn't get a single top 3 pick let alone a pick 1 or priority pick.

yeah that was a shit time to be playing shit

 

[Dez!]

only club without a top 10 draft pick on their list




but yeah, I tend to agree with this

Well technically Milera was pick 9 if you don't throw the academy bids into the draft order.

 

[JackFlash]

They bottomed out 98-01 and smashed those drafts..

Geelong finished 11th in 1999 (highest pick #8) 5th in 2000 (highest pick #44) and 12th in 2001 (highest pick#8)
Who smashed the draft again? Bottoming out is finishing bottom four, more likely bottom two .Geelong have never really bottomed out at all, 12th is their lowest finish for the century.

 

[radiojake]

Well technically Milera was pick 9 if you don't throw the academy bids into the draft order.

oh so if we just ignore the 2 extra players who got drafted ahead of him, yeah he was pick 9




Where is Milera?

 

[Heaps of fun]

Well technically Milera was pick 9 if you don't throw the academy bids into the draft order.

This is technically bullshit. With the nomination system academy picks are top 10 picks.

 

[Dez!]

oh so if we just ignore the 2 extra players who got drafted ahead of him, yeah he was pick 9


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Where is Milera?

So Sydney had pick 3 in that draft did they?

Remind me of the picks you got for Dangerfield? I could of sworn one of them was a top 10 pick?

 

[radiojake]

So Sydney had pick 3 in that draft did they?

Remind me of the picks you got for Dangerfield? I could of sworn one of them was a top 10 pick?

Well Sydney have the bloke who was drafted at #3 on their list, so yeah, they got pick 3 in that draft

Geelong gave Adelaide Pick #9 for Danger and it ended up being pick #11

it's not rocket science

 

[Snake_Baker]

Geelong finished 11th in 1999 (highest pick #8) 5th in 2000 (highest pick #44) and 12th in 2001 (highest pick#8) Who smashed the draft again?

Finishes

98 -12th
99 - 11th
00 - 5th
01 - 12th

Draftees

Geelong drafted a whopping 36 players on to their list between 98-01

11 of them went on to form the core of Geelong's triple success.

Wojinski - 203 games
Corey - 276
Chapman - 251
Ling - 246
Enright - 332
Hunt - 198
Rooke - 135
Bartel - 305
Kelly - 273
Johnson - 253
Ablett - 192

Bottoming out is finishing bottom four, more likely bottom two .Geelong have never really bottomed out at all, 12th is their lowest finish for the century.

Rubbish. Bottoming out is cleaning out your list for a rebuild. Where a club happens to finish on the ladder whilst this occurs is purely incidental. You are bending facts to suit your agenda.

 

[JackFlash]

Finishes

98 -12th
99 - 11th
00 - 5th
01 - 12th

Draftees

Geelong drafted a whopping 36 players on to their list between 98-01

11 of them went on to form the core of Geelong's triple success.

Wojinski - 203 games
Corey - 276
Chapman - 251
Ling - 246
Enright - 332
Hunt - 198
Rooke - 135
Bartel - 305
Kelly - 273
Johnson - 253
Ablett - 192



Rubbish. Bottoming out is cleaning out your list for a rebuild. Where a club happens to finish on the ladder whilst this occurs is purely incidental. You are bending facts to suit your agenda.

Rubbish, bottoming out is finishing near the bottom and collecting a whole bunch of early draft picks in order to re-build. Geelong benifited from shrewd recruiting and still do...
Wojinski - 203 games pick #24
Corey - 276 pick #8
Chapman - 251 pick #31
Ling - 246 pick #38
Enright - 332 pick #47
Hunt - 198 pick #44
Rooke - 135 rookie
Bartel - 305 pick #8
Kelly - 273 pick #17
Johnson - 253 pick #24
Ablett - 192 f/s #40

If you told a coach in the year 2000 these are your picks and what you will have to work with to win 3 flags and win more games than any other team for the next dozen or so years, you'd be put away! All of these players were shrewdly recruited. Geelong had no high picks to work with. This team was molded together over time.

 

[Go the Guts]

Lol we won 2 flags without bottoming out try again

Yeah but we've never had COLA to drink.

 

[Go the Guts]

Lot of small dick measuring going on here. OP is right - if we win the flag we will bloody deserve it. For a stack of reasons listed.

 

[The Goon]

Geelong finished 11th in 1999 (highest pick #8) 5th in 2000 (highest pick #44) and 12th in 2001 (highest pick#8)
Who smashed the draft again? Bottoming out is finishing bottom four, more likely bottom two .Geelong have never really bottomed out at all, 12th is their lowest finish for the century.

• Wooden Spoons: 5 (1908, 1915, 1944, 1957, 1958)

 

[demondavey]

Could we be seeing the first instance of this in modern footy if the Crows get up?

I think so. This would be a first.

Quality thread. Amongst all the crap that's been posted in the negative overnight and today this is decent and meaningful.

I've personally never been a fan of the 'rebuild'. Bottoming out to recruit good picks. I think once you flatten out it's so much harder to get back up. Good teams like Adelaide, Richmond, Hawthorn, Geelong, and Sydney so one thing well; keep their core group and add and delete accordingly.

Adelaide is a great example. Since 2006 they've had the following results;

2006 - 2nd
2007 - 8th
2008 - 5th
2009 - 5th
2010 - 11th
2011 - 14th
2012 - 2nd
2013 - 11th
2014 - 10th
2015 - 7th
2016 - 5th
2017 - 1st

So in 12 seasons they've made finals 8 times. Definitely not bottoming out. To me that points to the fact that core group has been really strong, really secure. With a good culture and good coaching. Before 2006 Adelaide has always been around the mark, the club itself has always been relatively successful.

It goes to show that bottoming out is a fallacy and a myth, and any coach or administrator that wants to peddle it needs to be shown the door.

Richmond is very much the same since 2013. 3 years of finals, missed out in 2016, then back in 2017 and hosting a home preliminary final. Their core group has always been solid, they've just added and deleted as required.

Great to see two teams at the pointy end of the year who have followed this path rather than the opposite.

 

[demondavey]

Moderators - take notice!

This is a thread with a good theme. Cut out the posters who want to turn it into an Adelaide v Geelong shitfight. People don't come on this forum to find 5 threads with the same idiots bitching and moaning.

Leave this thread out of that crap.

****ing had a skinful of this whingeing crap.

 

[demondavey]

Wrong - getting in early to potentially stick the boots into Richmond. Tiges aren't even in yet Snake, there'll be plenty of time to make your garbage troll-threads if they do. Just relax, mate.

It's not about paying out on Richmond mate. If anything it's a compliment to how well they've done to get this far.

What the **** is wrong with people?

 

[demondavey]

I'd call finishing bottom 4 (because I like selective stats) as bottoming out. Crows did that in 2011

One year does not count. In 2011 they picked Kerridge, Mitch Grigg, Nicholas Joyce and Ellis-Yeoman. Not one of those players features last night.

 

[RUNVS]

When did the Swans bottom out? Also you can't say 1993 as that was so long ago it is not remotely relevant to the modern Swans list.

 

[demondavey]

Thanks much appreciated. Pretty impressive.
A bit like Port being so embarrassingly bad for a couple of years yet we still couldn't get a single top 3 pick let alone a pick 1 or priority pick. Some clubs get all the breaks.

What years were you embarrassing? And what selections did you have?

 

[demondavey]

Lot of small dick measuring going on here. OP is right - if we win the flag we will bloody deserve it. For a stack of reasons listed.

Well put. I'd like this thread to not have the standard Geelong crap from last night in it. Adelaide is a side that I hope wins next week due to the fact they've always been a very strong club. Never dropped out of contention really, and had the balls to make tough calls. Richmond to a degree the same, have a weathered a shit storm under Hardwick since those 3 finals exits.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Rubbish, bottoming out is finishing near the bottom and collecting a whole bunch of early draft picks in order to re-build. Geelong benifited from shrewd recruiting and still do...

If you can't understand basic terminology, then I can see why you fail to grasp simple concepts..

Purposefully manipulating a low ladder placing is called "tanking"
Purposefully cleaning out a list, hitting the draft hard, playing youngsters and finishing where fate decides, is "bottoming out"

Please don't hijack my thread with your semantics any longer. Further posts will be ignored.

 

[Great8]

Lol we won 2 flags without bottoming out try again

The AFL won't let you bottom out again

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Is the cup made up of a different alloy?

Does the flag have a special gold edging?


What exactly differentiates this remarkable achievement?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Turn it up guys, they didn't bottom out but they are convicted cheats