Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[Benaly28]

You're probably both young, but I remember Carlton in the 90s. A strong side which was the last remnants of the 80s sides where John Elliott just bought success.

I remember Carlton from the 2000s, too. Utterly feeble, but 3 #1 picks in a row plus Judd were going to lead you back to the pinnacle. You would've beaten us in 2011 if Waite was fit. Etc. That was your last legit finals appearance IIRC.

I like Brendon Bolton and the work he's doing, but your list is still ordinary. A bunch of GWS off casts, underwhelming #1 picks and journeymen doesn't strike fear into anybody. Bring West Coast into things if you really want but 2 of the top 5 in your B&F are 30+ and this thread is about trading another who is currently 28. Might want to worry about replacing your own players first.

If you really want to know I've seen the 79,81,82,87 and 95 flags and I don't know what your fascination is with Carlton cause you seem to know a lot about them but not really but I can be 100% sure when I say that Carlton WILL win a flag before west coast.Take that to any financial institution you want.By the way Jennifer Lawrence is hot!

 

[Scotland]

Nice come back. Totally engaged with the suite of young players I listed. You just wait and see. The mighty baggers will be a powerhouse club in a few years. Get in your digs now if you must. Anyone who watches and follows Carlton know we are building such a strong core moving forward.

What, this?

"How does Weitering, Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Docherty, Cripps, Marchbank, Pickett, SPS, Silvagni, Byrne, McKay, Plowman, Fisher and Williamson sound? All look to be very good future footballers with a few elite A grade talent in there. Add pick 3, Kennedy and Smith and you have arguably the most exciting young list in the comp."

It sounds like standard BigFooty overly optimistic fan commentary to me. Following it up with the bolded only confirms that opinion. What about everyone who doesn't follow Carlton? It's a good list of young players, but you're getting carried away.

 

[Scotland]

If you really want to know I've seen the 79,81,82,87 and 95 flags and I don't know what your fascination is with Carlton cause you seem to know a lot about them but not really but I can be 100% sure when I say that Carlton WILL win a flag before west coast.Take that to any financial institution you want.By the way Jennifer Lawrence is hot!

My fascination? You lot are the ones that are potting Adelaide's chances going forward. I'm simply countering that Gibbs won't play in a flag at Carlton.

I'd suggest you head down to the TAB and get some currency on the bolded, because they don't share your optimism.

 

[Benaly28]

Nice come back. Totally engaged with the suite of young players I listed. You just wait and see. The mighty baggers will be a powerhouse club in a few years. Get in your digs now if you must. Anyone who watches and follows Carlton know we are building such a strong core moving forward.

Well said.

 

[Foucault1989]

What, this?

"How does Weitering, Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Docherty, Cripps, Marchbank, Pickett, SPS, Silvagni, Byrne, McKay, Plowman, Fisher and Williamson sound? All look to be very good future footballers with a few elite A grade talent in there. Add pick 3, Kennedy and Smith and you have arguably the most exciting young list in the comp."

It sounds like standard BigFooty overly optimistic fan commentary to me. Following it up with the bolded only confirms that opinion. What about everyone who doesn't follow Carlton? It's a good list of young players, but you're getting carried away.

Damn right I'm optimistic. We are rebuilding our club in the right way. We are looking to achieve sustainable success and I'm really excited for the future. That list of young players offers so much promise in the future. They are driven competitive and highly skilled.

As I said, I'd rather have our list over west coast...easy. no question. What more do you want from me? Have you seen SPS weave through packs with ease? Charlie take contested marks and drilled 50 metre bullets? Cripps get the most clearances ever for someone his age? Weiterings composure for a second year player? Marchbanks intercept marking? Picketts speed?

Seriously the future is navy blue even if you can't see it!!!!

 

[Frank Gallagher]

If you really want to know I've seen the 79,81,82,87 and 95 flags and I don't know what your fascination is with Carlton cause you seem to know a lot about them but not really but I can be 100% sure when I say that Carlton WILL win a flag before west coast.Take that to any financial institution you want.By the way Jennifer Lawrence is hot!

You can remove the 95 flag, no one acknowledges that.

 

[Spitfire1801]

Still finished above your sorry ass.

Your fall will be long and slow. Just remember shit runs downhill and you will be at the bottom soon. Will wave to you from the top.

 

[slashin_velvet]

It sounds like standard BigFooty overly optimistic fan commentary to me. Following it up with the bolded only confirms that opinion. What about everyone who doesn't follow Carlton? It's a good list of young players, but you're getting carried away.

Agree wholeheartedly. I would've said the same thing to any Richmond supporter who talked up their chances last season. But to their credit, they backed themselves and traded in 2 really solid contributors in Prestia and Caddy, whilst letting a quality player go in the process.

I understand being conservative when trading for players, and still am of the opinion that Reid derailed any chance of a deal when he made it public, which made GWS think we would hold a stronger pick for the Marchbank trade. Reid let his ego get in the way of the trade.

 

[Benaly28]

My fascination? You lot are the ones that are potting Adelaide's chances going forward. I'm simply countering that Gibbs won't play in a flag at Carlton.

I'd suggest you head down to the TAB and get some currency on the bolded, because they don't share your optimism.

FYI I personally have not said anything about adelaides chances they will be fine moving forward with or without Gibbs.Im just curious to know why you pot us so much and think you know about the quality of our list.Anyway enough of this banter tonight.Wish you all the best for the future.

 

[Foucault1989]

I'm not saying we are going to win a grand final before 2022 but I'm happy with how the club is going about it and the young talent we have. Crucify me for being upbeat about that...

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Your fall will be long and slow. Just remember shit runs downhill and you will be at the bottom soon. Will wave to you from the top.

We're on the up bro, we improved on last year.


We've actually won an AFL premiership, 2 of them infact, you haven't won one.

 

[Benaly28]

You can remove the 95 flag, no one acknowledges that.

No one being pies supporters I gather.

 

[Navara79]

You can remove the 95 flag, no one acknowledges that.

Why? Are you another person who forgot to check facts before posting?

 

[Frank Gallagher]

No one being pies supporters I gather.

Found guilty of systemic cheating, even Carlton fans should acknowledge they didn't win it because everyone else does.

 

[Scotland]

Agree wholeheartedly. I would've said the same thing to any Richmond supporter who talked up their chances last season. But to their credit, they backed themselves and traded in 2 really solid contributors in Prestia and Caddy, whilst letting a quality player go in the process.

I understand being conservative when trading for players, and still am of the opinion that Reid derailed any chance of a deal when he made it public, which made GWS think we would hold a stronger pick for the Marchbank trade. Reid let his ego get in the way of the trade.

Optimism is fine, but as bizarre as Richmond being premiers is they played finals 3 out of the last 4 seasons before this one. It was humorous for all when they went full Richmond, but two of those 3 seasons they won 15 games to get there so they were never that far away. The profile of their 22 in terms of age, experience and quality is pretty balanced. And they have the advantage of Dustin Martin elevating himself to the best player in the comp this year. 14 of their GF side are in the 23-27 bracket and that includes Cotchin, Martin and Rance. Tinkering around the edges with Caddy, Prestia and Nank and a couple of quick small forwards applying pressure actually worked.

Carlton are in that awkward zone with a couple of 200+ gamers, a couple of spudly mid aged players and a heap of inexperience. A bit like GWS v1.0 really, minus the endless list of first round picks. Assuming Gibbs goes, you'll need to replace Murphy, Simpson and Thomas soon enough - from a position of weakness (16th). You can call it 'potting' like old mate above, but it's just reality. IMO you're relying on the 22 and under bracket to all come good and take the load of being the effective senior group, and that's a huge ask. There isn't a good group of 25-30 year olds for Cripps and co to compliment. Which is why I think Carlton are still a few years off it until there is a sold group of 50-100+ game players on the list.

 

[Jeremias]

Found guilty of systemic cheating, even Carlton fans should acknowledge they didn't win it because everyone else does.

Carlton didn't cheat in 1995.

If you're going to troll, at least get the basics right. Otherwise you just look pathetic.

 

[Mr_Plow]

The post-Judd iteration of West Coast was and remains the epitome of downhill-skiing (perhaps with the exception of Port Adelaide).

As for the actual thread topic, pick 10 should get it done based on the washed up Deledio deal.

 

[Foucault1989]

Optimism is fine, but as bizarre as Richmond being premiers is they played finals 3 out of the last 4 seasons before this one. It was humorous for all when they went full Richmond, but two of those 3 seasons they won 15 games to get there so they were never that far away. The profile of their 22 in terms of age, experience and quality is pretty balanced. And they have the advantage of Dustin Martin elevating himself to the best player in the comp this year. 14 of their GF side are in the 23-27 bracket and that includes Cotchin, Martin and Rance. Tinkering around the edges with Caddy, Prestia and Nank and a couple of quick small forwards applying pressure actually worked.

Carlton are in that awkward zone with a couple of 200+ gamers, a couple of spudly mid aged players and a heap of inexperience. A bit like GWS v1.0 really, minus the endless list of first round picks. Assuming Gibbs goes, you'll need to replace Murphy, Simpson and Thomas soon enough - from a position of weakness (16th). You can call it 'potting' like old mate above, but it's just reality. IMO you're relying on the 22 and under bracket to all come good and take the load of being the effective senior group, and that's a huge ask. There isn't a good group of 25-30 year olds for Cripps and co to compliment. Which is why I think Carlton are still a few years off it until there is a sold group of 50-100+ game players on the list.

Because Carlton are planning on standing still and not trading and using free agency to fill holes on their list? Give me a break. Thomas is no loss. We have Simpson covered with Docherty, Williamson and Byrne plus potentially Saad in the off season. Cuningham looks to be a good swap for Murphy long term who still has 3 years left to play (by which our 2015 draft class consisting of Curnow, weiters, McKay, Cuningham and Silvagni plus Kennedy who was from that year will be in their 6th years).

We have been super active in the trades and free agency. What makes you think we will just sit on our hands and stagnate?

 

[slashin_velvet]

Optimism is fine, but as bizarre as Richmond being premiers is they played finals 3 out of the last 4 seasons before this one. It was humorous for all when they went full Richmond, but two of those 3 seasons they won 15 games to get there so they were never that far away. The profile of their 22 in terms of age, experience and quality is pretty balanced. And they have the advantage of Dustin Martin elevating himself to the best player in the comp this year. 14 of their GF side are in the 23-27 bracket and that includes Cotchin, Martin and Rance. Tinkering around the edges with Caddy, Prestia and Nank and a couple of quick small forwards applying pressure actually worked.

Carlton are in that awkward zone with a couple of 200+ gamers, a couple of spudly mid aged players and a heap of inexperience. A bit like GWS v1.0 really, minus the endless list of first round picks. Assuming Gibbs goes, you'll need to replace Murphy, Simpson and Thomas soon enough - from a position of weakness (16th). You can call it 'potting' like old mate above, but it's just reality. IMO you're relying on the 22 and under bracket to all come good and take the load of being the effective senior group, and that's a huge ask. There isn't a good group of 25-30 year olds for Cripps and co to compliment. Which is why I think Carlton are still a few years off it until there is a sold group of 50-100+ game players on the list.

Not sure I'd call Prestia a tinker around the edge - particularly when they gave up pick 6 to get him. But I agree with most of the rest you posted.

I think Simpson is already on the way out. He had significantly less impact this season than previous, but not sure I'd be using Thomas as an example of a player we'll struggle to replace. He was dropped during the year, and only got an extension because he is a strong mentor. Don't see him playing more than a handful of games in the seniors.

Well definately miss Murphy & Gibbs if traded. Moreso we will miss Kruezer when it is time for him to retire. We won't make the 8 next year, might the year after. Might look at being a contender sometime thereafter.

 

[El Topo]

Optimism is fine, but as bizarre as Richmond being premiers is they played finals 3 out of the last 4 seasons before this one. It was humorous for all when they went full Richmond, but two of those 3 seasons they won 15 games to get there so they were never that far away. The profile of their 22 in terms of age, experience and quality is pretty balanced. And they have the advantage of Dustin Martin elevating himself to the best player in the comp this year. 14 of their GF side are in the 23-27 bracket and that includes Cotchin, Martin and Rance. Tinkering around the edges with Caddy, Prestia and Nank and a couple of quick small forwards applying pressure actually worked.

Carlton are in that awkward zone with a couple of 200+ gamers, a couple of spudly mid aged players and a heap of inexperience. A bit like GWS v1.0 really, minus the endless list of first round picks. Assuming Gibbs goes, you'll need to replace Murphy, Simpson and Thomas soon enough - from a position of weakness (16th). You can call it 'potting' like old mate above, but it's just reality. IMO you're relying on the 22 and under bracket to all come good and take the load of being the effective senior group, and that's a huge ask. There isn't a good group of 25-30 year olds for Cripps and co to compliment. Which is why I think Carlton are still a few years off it until there is a sold group of 50-100+ game players on the list.

A fair assessment, Carlton are paying minimum cap this year so we'll probably see some free agents (eg, Rockliff) brought in in the meantime until the young guys hit that 50-100 game mark.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Carlton didn't cheat in 1995.

If you're going to troll, at least get the basics right. Otherwise you just look pathetic.

Really?

 

[TeeJay Blue]

We're on the up bro, we improved on last year.

By 2 premiership points. And still finish a spot lower than 2016 with an overrated list.

We've actually won an AFL premiership, 2 of them infact, you haven't won one.

1995 is and will remain as a premiership until evidence is otherwise found (and that is IF it's found). Your view on it means jack s**t.

Found guilty of systemic cheating, even Carlton fans should acknowledge they didn't win it because everyone else does.

This is a thread about a potential trade involving Bryce Gibbs. Quit making yourself look foolish!

 

[Frank Gallagher]

By 2 premiership points. And still finish a spot lower than 2016 with an overrated list.



1995 is and will remain as a premiership until evidence is otherwise found (and that is IF it's found). Your view on it means jack s**t.



This is a thread about a potential trade involving Bryce Gibbs. Quit making yourself look foolish!

Did SOS end up making his banking records for the period available to the AFL?

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Carlton are in that awkward zone with a couple of 200+ gamers, a couple of spudly mid aged players and a heap of inexperience. A bit like GWS v1.0 really, minus the endless list of first round picks. Assuming Gibbs goes, you'll need to replace Murphy, Simpson and Thomas soon enough - from a position of weakness (16th). You can call it 'potting' like old mate above, but it's just reality. IMO you're relying on the 22 and under bracket to all come good and take the load of being the effective senior group, and that's a huge ask. There isn't a good group of 25-30 year olds for Cripps and co to compliment. Which is why I think Carlton are still a few years off it until there is a sold group of 50-100+ game players on the list.

In regards to the players we need to replace:
Thomas? Puh-lease!
Simpson? No problem!
Murphy? I believe we can!
Gibbs? Most important and most valuable one of the lot. Hence why we are making our stance on the trade in question. We are no longer going to be pushovers, handing over star players for free. Unless somebody equal of quality (or close to it) comes in return over this off-season, then we'll continue to be aggressive on the matter.

You make a fair call, but I think you underestimate the ability of the young kids. A few could rise really early and others will begin to get a clear idea of what they need to bring to the table.
Also our club has looked to build cohesion by playing a large group of kids together for them to get some idea of what each offers during the big occasions.
Many might still look raw, but the way we go about it, I don't see us getting any worse moving forward. Especially when building depth is now our primary focus.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Is this the Gibbs or Blues v Pies thread... or has Gibbs requested a trade to the Pies?