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I would do 12 + 16 for Gibbs + 2018 2nd (likely around pick 20).
12 + 16 with a second round back next year might not be terrible this years draft is very weak
But Carlton approached us so we should have the upper hand
So it's a tick contest?All depends and IMO we need to look at the overall transactions to balance out the net effect
Lever deal is a big tick
Getting 12 back for Charlie would be a big tick
Getting a future 2nd round pick back from Carlton would be a small tick

I would do 12 + 16 for Gibbs + 2018 2nd (likely around pick 20).
Hold onto 10 hope Fogarty slides through
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I would do 12 + 16 for Gibbs + 2018 2nd (likely around pick 20).
Hold onto 10 hope Fogarty slides through
Last year we didn't lose Smith for a year or more ... plus a 2018 second coming back would sweeten it a bit.2 ist rounders for Gibbs is ok this year but not last year?
if that deal goes through, the AFC have confirmed their insanity.
It's over
Rightly so. If we don't add anything with a 1st pick, then Gibbs alone is an offseason fail.gut feel 10 is off the table, crows want the sa lad from the draft.
It's over?It's over

Please do.FFS GIBBS IS 29 in R1 next year.
He is worth a first at best. Ie. Pick 16. Please don't pay overs for him,
+1It's over?
I don't think it ever started this year did it?
Please don'tPlease do.
There is not a shred of evidence that Adelaide and Carlton are talking.
Not one. No solid media sources. Nothing.
200 games of which 190 will be after our current flag window closesThere is always a slider or two in the top 10. Which is why picks 10 and 12 are so massive.
Crows would know this, similarly so too does Carlton.
We are potentially giving up a 200+ gamer for a 29 year old guy who may have at best ~50 games left in him.
200 games of which 190 will be after our current flag window closes
Poor old Carlton so many players they want and little collateral..
Lang is a good player. Was he a first round pick too? What would Geelong expect in a trade?That causes some grief for the proposed Ablett deal