Political Discussion

[Elite Crow]

But Nick's oversight has always been for the betterment of SA. That's his job and he's done it well. I agree that there's a risk if he ends up governing, but that risk is no more than a return of an inept Liberal govt or the continuance of Labour. I cannot understand the fear, I'd be embracing the change. Change is needed, and no party has the runs on the board that proves that they deserve it. Lets just let the voters decide. At least there won't be a majority incompetent government, which both major parties look like being. One is proven.

You can’t say the Libs are inept if they haven’t had a chance to govern yet.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You can’t say the Libs are inept if they haven’t had a chance to govern yet.

Lol, the state Libs have been in a slumber for a bloody long time! Marshall lacks leadership qualities & struggling to get off his L plates.

Both major parties are of a major concern.

 

[Elite Crow]

Lol, the state Libs have been in a slumber for a bloody long time! Marshall lacks leadership qualities & struggling to get off his L plates.

Both major parties are of a major concern.

And your willing to write them off without giving them a chance, your preference being to back someone you haven’t been able to identify his management experience.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And your willing to write them off without giving them a chance, your preference being to back someone you haven’t been able to identify his management experience.

Lol, the Libs have been lame in opposition, so do you think they are suddenly going to become awesome in Government.

Again, the Xman has been a far more effective politician than any of the state Liberals... which is part of the reason he is polling more than them & you are hating it.

 

[Elite Crow]

Lol, the Libs have been lame in opposition, so do you think they are suddenly going to become awesome in Government.

Again, the Xman has been a far more effective politician than any of the state Liberals... which is part of the reason he is polling more than them & you are hating it.

It’s your opinion they’ve been lame. If it wasn’t for dodgy electoral boundaries that have now been fixed they actually would have won the last election.

I agree he’s been an effective politician, he’s popular, his stunts work and he fights for SA, no wonder he’s polling well.

What he’s achieved though is courtesy of not actually having the responsibility for anything, he’s been able to wield his power in 2 ****ed up Senates and use that influence to suit his agenda.

Let’s see how he goes if he actually wins the thing and has to deal with politicians like him. Let’s see how he goes when he actually has to manage something. Let’s see how he goes when he actually has to make tough decisions that will be unpopular. You’ve got no examples to counter any of these queries, you had your chance but couldn’t and you wasted my time. I’m not interested in going round and round again.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s your opinion they’ve been lame. If it wasn’t for dodgy electoral boundaries that have now been fixed they actually would have won the last election.

I agree he’s been an effective politician, he’s popular, his stunts work and he fights for SA, no wonder he’s polling well.

What he’s achieved though is courtesy of not actually having the responsibility for anything, he’s been able to wield his power in 2 ****** up Senates and use that influence to suit his agenda.

Let’s see how he goes if he actually wins the thing and has to deal with politicians like him. Let’s see how he goes when he actually has to manage something. Let’s see how he goes when he actually has to make tough decisions that will be unpopular. You’ve got no examples to counter any of these queries, you had your chance but couldn’t and you wasted my time. I’m not interested in going round and round again.

Yawn, you would have to be a very one-eyed Liberal to think that the Marshall-Chapman Liberals have been competent in opposition & they are hardly going to suddenly find competency in Government.

You would have to be a very one-eyed Labor supporter to think Labor have not stuffed up some major issues in Government. TAFE & Child Protection just to kick things off.

The Xman has been competent as a senator, which is why he is polling more than each major party.

This is why we will end up with a 3 way split vote.

It's about time you came around to understanding this & a coalition government is a better option than 1 party led as it stands...

 

[Cap]

Sorry to join the discussion late, and i agree the Libs have been somewhat lame in opposition.

I would note however that in SA the Libs have been hamstrung significantly not just by electoral boundaries.

Labor SA simply dominates it for $$ and manpower due to the unions, we simply dont have the population the libs need to get sufficient funding, adding to that Labor have had 16 years of Government money to sell themselves. They literally have a whole department in government for propaganda which is fed to media outlets against basically individual Liberal members and their facebook feeds.





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[Bicks]

Yawn, you would have to be a very one-eyed Liberal to think that the Marshall-Chapman Liberals have been competent in opposition & they are hardly going to suddenly find competency in Government.

You would have to be a very one-eyed Labor supporter to think Labor have not stuffed up some major issues in Government. TAFE & Child Protection just to kick things off.

The Xman has been competent as a senator, which is why he is polling more than each major party.

This is why we will end up with a 3 way split vote.

It's about time you came around to understanding this & a coalition government is a better option than 1 party led as it stands...

Power supply reliability and sky rocketing price of same surely that's right up there in the major issue department.....given the farcical purchase/use of dirty polluting diesel generators in Labor's supposedly "green" state.

 

[1970crow]

Power supply reliability and sky rocketing price of same surely that's right up there in the major issue department.....given the farcical purchase/use of dirty polluting diesel generators in Labor's supposedly "green" state.

And despite their shitfulness their popularity isn't much less than the liberals.

 

[Bicks]

Excellent article in today's Daily Telegraph.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/r...s/news-story/075aec9c751e7e142f352a8fce5542e3


So the Flinders Street attack was a Terrorist attack under Australia's Criminal Code...Bullet Point 1.

 

[Vader]

I'm not sure that there was any intention to "influence" anything, hence it probably doesn't meet the definition.

Anger over a political or religious issue is not the same as a desire to influence "the public or any government" over that same issue.

 

[Bicks]

I'm not sure that there was any intention to "influence" anything, hence it probably doesn't meet the definition.

Anger over a political or religious issue is not the same as a desire to influence "the public or any government" over that same issue.

Bullshit!!

But really wouldn't expect any different from you.

 

[Bicks]

Nick will fix it....you just wait and see, he'll wave his magic wand and all will be well in the glorious state of South Australia.

 

[Vader]

Bullshit!!

But really wouldn't expect any different from you.

So, an Ice addict with mental problems is trying to influence the public or the government?

Seems to me that he's angry and reacted to that, but that's very different to deliberately acting to have an influence.

I'm not saying that his actions weren't motivated by politics and/or religion, but that alone doesn't mean that he's trying to "influence" something - which is required by the definition of terrorism.

 

[Bicks]

So, an Ice addict with mental problems is trying to influence the public or the government?

Seems to me that he's angry and reacted to that, but that's very different to deliberately acting to have an influence.

I'm not saying that his actions weren't motivated by politics and/or religion, but that alone doesn't mean that he's trying to "influence" something - which is required by the definition of terrorism.

And you lefties accuse others of being "climate" deniers, that may be so but it's no different to the denial that is going on in sections of the Australian population with the murderous acts of those of a certain Religious Ideology.

 

[Vader]

And you lefties accuse others of being "climate" deniers, that may be so but it's no different to the denial that is going on in sections of the Australian population with the murderous acts of those of a certain Religious Ideology.

What a load of utter garbage.

 

[Elite Crow]

Nick will fix it....you just wait and see, he'll wave his magic wand and all will be well in the glorious state of South Australia.

Well if that’s the case and he has to choose a side to form government, how could he reward an incompetent government and get Labor back in?

 

[Bicks]

What a load of utter garbage.

Article by a person far better to qualified than Vader, a champion of the Mental illness and Depression cause...Beyond Blue founder Jeff Kennett.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...h/news-story/1862d5d5ea69b39b7c6c372dc4b62e49
Don’t blame Flinders Street rampage on mental health

The perpetrator of the Bourke St rampage and Thursday’s attack should be held to account before our law. Neither should be excused from that because their actions might have been drug related.

We are trying to educate people so they won’t take drugs and to rehabilitate those who are addicted. But drug taking is still a voluntary act.

If after taking drugs, knowing the risk in doing so, a person commits an unsociable or criminal act, they should be held accountable by society.

A mental illness is just that, it is an illness. It does not cause criminality.

So many commentators have blamed Thursday’s incident on mental health issues but that is as lazy as it is incorrect.

AS WE try to find excuses for the actions of Saeed Noori that have caused so much pain to our community, I hear from police his mental health was to blame
Millions of Australians suffer a mental illness to some degree or another, from continuing stress and anxiety to the most serious forms of bipolar, schizophrenia and so on. Very few of those are a risk to society. Almost all are law abiding citizens, dealing with their illness and in many cases taking steps to recovery. We do mental illness and those suffering mental illness an injustice by blaming anti-social behaviour and criminal acts on their affliction. Mental illness is often offered as an excuse for criminal acts but that is an absolute cop out. Drugs, particularly ice, are mind changing substances which can lead to erratic, and at times, criminal behaviour. But being under the influence of drugs should not be used or accepted as a defence against the full weight of the law. My colleague on Seven’s Sunrise, Mark Latham, has suggested people who are known to the police and other authorities should be apprehended, and taken from public circulation.
Who is going to judge whether a person is or might be a risk to society? Where are people so identified going to be held? Events such as Thursday’s atrocity are no different from when someone in a rage attacks another and takes their life. Such acts may be drug related, but often they are not. Too often mental illness is used as an excuse for such violence. That is, sadly, an understandable response to Thursday’s horror but it is impractical.

 

[Bicks]

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Power supply reliability and sky rocketing price of same surely that's right up there in the major issue department.....given the farcical purchase/use of dirty polluting diesel generators in Labor's supposedly "green" state.

Yes, electricity will be a significant election issue no doubt. As we have discussed previously, a lack of a decent strategy by both state & commonwealth governments to electricity has been atrocious.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Nick will fix it....you just wait and see, he'll wave his magic wand and all will be well in the glorious state of South Australia.

Don't get me started on the Liberal's approach to health. They still want to stick a high cost ICU/high dependency in Modbury despite local health professionals saying it would be unsafe & impractical. Even the unions are against it!

Transforming health was a good idea but the problem is SA Health is devoid of leaders to actually implement anything properly (just look at the EPAS debacle). So they pay millions for consultants to come in who also have little idea. Until they fix the SA Health management, the same problems will continue...

I would think Nick would take a measured approach, where state liberal policy to health appears so random with no actual strategy or understanding of the needs.

 

[1970crow]

Well if that’s the case and he has to choose a side to form government, how could he reward an incompetent government and get Labor back in?

You'd hope he wouldn't, but there's a lot of politics in politics.

 

[Elite Crow]

You'd hope he wouldn't, but there's a lot of politics in politics.

So he might not be Saint Nick after all

 

[1970crow]

So he might not be Saint Nick after all

Stopping Labour governing in their own right will be a huge improvement. Has there been anything from the 2 majors about willingness to govern with X?

 

[Elite Crow]

Stopping Labour governing in their own right will be a huge improvement. Has there been anything from the 2 majors about willingness to govern with X?

Not that I know of