Yes that's all fine, but the part that isn't is Luke being a glib no hoper and coward. Lucas never wrote THAT as part of that early concept for ep7
Have you even watched ROTJ? Look at the range of emotions he's going through as he hides from his own father in the Death Star throne room. Holy shit, just because he agrees to sacrifice himself or take a big risk, doesn't mean he's not scared.
I am talking about the context surrounding his decision. Meaning, what the **** did he do to try and alleviate it? This wasn't explored at all. It makes it look like he just saw visions (that may not even come true, according to Yoda in ESB) and decided to kill him then and there.
And there you go. Thank you. You vindicated my previous point perfectly. So he reads his dreams or possible future actions whatever you wanna call it, and just gives up on him. No talking to him, or trying to convince him (like he did his father who already committed horrendous acts of evil), etc. This is a huuuge turn around to what he planned to do with Vader, and somehow you're tying to twist it so that they're similar, this is his "character". What tripe.
I already told you, so have other people: a few lines of exposition. Instead we got shitty/lazy writing that didn't reflect Luke at all.
IS) will need to re-think its strategy for future installments if it hopes to retain a meaningful share of its potential Star Wars audience. As things are going now, The Last Jedi is drifting further away from The Force Awakens' numbers and closer to a Rogue One sized lifetime gross, a result that would be truly catastrophic given the opportunity lost for the new film and its potential impact on the franchise's future prospects.Log in to remove this Banner Ad
I put "reasons" because I treated it with the contempt it deserves. He did it because he was paranoid. At that stage Ben was a kid who didn't commit genocide on a galactic scale.
I read a similar article but with a lot more context (it's the word of the day). While the drop seems precipitous, it's eight day decline is still less than all the prequels. It will still comfortably pass $1.5b, all second and third Star Wars films have grossed less than the original. The reason for the large Friday to Friday drop is the placement of the holidays. The next eight days will determine its overall success but its tracking ok.https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...-worst-ever-for-a-star-wars-pic/#230c9c0157fa
The box office numbers for the second Friday of Star Wars: The Last Jedi are in and they paint a bleak picture for the Rian Johnson-directed sequel. Down 77 percent from its opening day last Friday, the picture continues to distinguish itself as the worst holding film in the Star Wars franchise's entire nine-film history.
From its opening day gross of $104.7 million, The Last Jedicratered by a full $80 million, taking in $24.6 million a week later, on its second Friday.
The biggest prior Friday-to-Friday decline was that of Rogue One: A Star Wars story, at a comparatively robust 68 percent. The three previous films before that, Episode VII: The Force Awakens, Episode II: Attack of the Clones, and Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, all saw declines in the mid-50's percentage range. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Episode III: The Phantom Menace, and Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, all saw far more modest declines in the 20-30 percent range, and the first film, Episode IV: A New Hope, actually increased by nearly 80 percent in its second weekend as the franchise exploded into being (hence the negative 79 percent "decline" shown on the chart below. I should note also that I don't have access to daily box numbers for episodes IV and V, so I substituted their full weekend numbers in the chart).
Pacific Bridge data
Friday-to-Friday declines
A few quibbles about the comparisons between films are warranted, as some of the pictures—including The Last Jedi—have Thursday evening preview numbers included in their opening Friday results, making the second Friday a tough comp. And some of the other pictures opened on Wednesdays or Thursdays, so their first Friday-to-second Friday comparisons aren't quite apples-to-apples with The Last Jedi.
But even after adjusting for such differences, The Last Jedistill manages to live up to its title, sitting in last place as the Star Wars picture least capable of holding its audience. Or perhaps more pointedly, in failing to bring moviegoers back for multiple viewings. As Miles Bailey, a formerly fervent fan of the Star Wars films told me, “Disney shouldn’t bank on the hardcore, cosplay, convention crew like myself seeing this film 6, 7, 8, 9 times. Episode 8: The Last Jedi set out to kill everything about episodes 1-7 and succeeded. I’m not excited by Solo or episode 9. Star Wars is done for me.”
With reactions like that, Disney (NYSE
It's not arrogance. It's called source material. Your explanation doesn't even make any sense, instinctive response? Rubbish. It flies on the face of said source material that already establishes his character. Wanting to kill your own nephew after reading their dreams, entirely based on a maybe, is farcical. Dark side or no dark side, Luke is not a homicidal maniac who kills their own family members in their sleep based on an off-chance. Mark Hamill was correct when he said that's not Luke Skywalker.
Leonardo DiCaprio played Romeo. It doesn't mean he understands the character better than Shakespeare.
There wasn't, and that's one of the main problems of this film. There was no exposition to talk it out or anything like that after he read his dreams, it was simply "I'd better kill him". He didn't have to plot it for months, he made the decision to and that's what matters here. And you're using hindsight when we're talking about Luke during the act, it's as if he's completely ignored or forgot what Yoda had taught him. He would have well known at that point in time that the future is never certain and always in motion, I mean ffs, he's a Jedi Master and doesn't know this? There's another out-of-character thing.
You goblet.
It's still Lucas's character before it's Hamill's character.
Especially Hamill himself.
This is total bullshit. You're just making shit up. Consensus?
So?
So you can't use "well Mark Hamill didn't agree" as a silver bullet when the Luke we saw matched Lucas's vision when he pitched Ep7 in 2013.
He sensed it, yet he couldn't have been certain of it. Otherwise you're telling us he thinks he knew for certain, which means he didn't listen to anything Yoda had said. It basically contradicts completely how Force precog works! Right, he conveniently "forgot" a very important part of his training. See, this is why source material is so important and that you don't ignore it. Ironically, it was one of the reasons why most of the EU was binned - because a lot of authors wouldn't follow previous material, making a mess of contradictions.
No, "spelling it out" would be showing that Luke attempted to try as hard as possible to turn him back, like he did with his father who was already committing atrocities in the first place. That is his character. Instead, he makes an on-the-spot decision that's completely out of character. I'm sick of repeating this to you: if they wanted Luke to do that, exposition was necessary. Something, anything, suggesting he tried as hard as possible then taking a final resort option instead of making the immediate choice of killing a blood relative over a what if. This is precisely why the writing is terrible here.
That's not the point. The fact that he thought about it and decided to do it, even though he didn't finish through, is enough.
