List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2017/2018 - Refreshed (cont in part 2)

[CFC2010]

North supporters are about the same and they haven’t won shit.

I don’t know many North supporters to be honest......the ones on Bigfooty are very opinionated I agree.

 

[DIDAIC0S]

I remember the Goldsack interview on 360 and surprised no one else has brought it up until now. Goldie and Lynch had some good chemistry together. Shame I can't find it now.

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[sr36]

Good luck to them mate.

I sort of get their arrogance after 37 years of irrelevance......but wow they are really talking like they are about to win four Premierships in a row.

Good luck to them. They were a pull your hair out, poke a pen in your eye tragicomedy for 30 years. Yet so many of them remained incredibly passionate and took the ridicule with self-effacing humility. In terms of a supporter base, they're the closest thing to us. I'm delighted for so many of my mates that they've finally got their day in the sun. The one club that I don't begrudge success. Go tiges. Just fall over against the Pies like its 1990.

 

[jjsmitty8]

Who the hell is this McGoveren

Tom Longeron’s nephew

 

[adammania9]

We really have no need for Ed Langdon.

We have far more pressing issues in KPP stocks.

Langdon is another workhorse, something our midfield is stacked too high with. We need class, speed, skills and x-factor; somebody who can have 20 touches and be in the top handful on the ground. A younger Wells.

 

[Finnishpie]

Interesting take.
But as with these things the totality of the trade must be viewed for judgment.

Howe over Seedsman is a no brainer for me. I’d do the trade every day of the week. And twice on Sundays.

Paul S is a good medium type in my view but that’s really about it.

Jeremy H is a much better player bordering on even A grade or thereabouts.

But good discussion point.

Yeah, the trade was a win in my eyes from the perspective of this year. But last year it looked to me more like a draw. We were desperate for a long kicking, running midfielder/half-back, and that’s why we had to go find Murray. Seedsman is likely to be an all-Australian wingman this year, so while I’d say all in all we did okay, we certainly lost something.

 

[Matt_352]

Yeah, the trade was a win in my eyes from the perspective of this year. But last year it looked to me more like a draw. We were desperate for a long kicking, running midfielder/half-back, and that’s why we had to go find Murray. Seedsman is likely to be an all-Australian wingman this year, so while I’d say all in all we did okay, we certainly lost something.

Atleast we have the other Wingman (Phillips)

 

[Finnishpie]

Atleast we have the other Wingman (Phillips)

Yep.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I would say we need a key position defender but I have faith McLarty can become that.

Lynch is all we need, I would take Sloane if we got him as a free agent and Crows didn't match.

Lynch with a fit Moore, WHE, Stephenson and Elliot is a dangerous forward line.

Reckon Sloane is a bridge too far cap wise. If we can get Lynch and keep a first round pick this year get another young mid our midfield is solid for the next 5 - 7 years. grundy, sidey, degoey, stepho, phillips, treloar, adams + this years pick. lynch forward with elliot (pls god), whe, fas (?), cox and then moore at CHB. that's a good nucleus imo.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I remember Bulldogs supporters being like that after they won. Geez that fall has been rapid.

Dogs have gone from driving a Bentley to scrounging loose change on the kitchen bench hoping to have enough for uber.

 

[TradeDraft]

Hopefully during the By we get some new Re-Signing's

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Jayden Hunt. We need to put some time into him. He would be ideal running along side Murray, and that would push Maynard into the midfield. If I remember correctly, we had our media team at Jayden’s house on draft day because we were certain about drafting him. We ended up with Tom Langdon at 65, so that was a steal too.

 

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Jayden Hunt. We need to put some time into him. He would be ideal running along side Murray, and that would push Maynard into the midfield. If I remember correctly, we had our media team at Jayden’s house on draft day because we were certain about drafting him. We ended up with Tom Langdon at 65, so that was a steal too.

Has he even been playing in their AFL side? Seems to have been out of favour this year.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Has he even been playing in their AFL side? Seems to have been out of favour this year.

Nope. That’s exactly why I would chase him. Unfortunately, he signed a contract till next year. But I would be whispering in his ear.

 

[MagpieBat]

Has he even been playing in their AFL side? Seems to have been out of favour this year.

Played 5 of 11 games to date. Hasn't played seniors since Round 7 and has not, as far as I can tell, been injured.

 

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Played 5 of 11 games to date. Hasn't played seniors since Round 7 and has not, as far as I can tell, been injured.

So no doubt he'll be back in this week and will tear us up.

 

[MagpieBat]

So no doubt he'll be back in this week and will tear us up.

Maybe he's auditioning...?

 

[Soups]

Hunt would be a good pick up on the cheap imo. If he can recapture his form from last year, we would be laughing.

 

[Go Woods]

Ed just joked to Petracca on the FS he has a spare $1.5M (back pay) in a discussion regarding his old man used to work at the club.
Reading between the lines I think Ed is referring to our current salary cap space IMO. mmm wonder who that's for? (Not Petracca obviously)

 

[MagpieBat]

Victorian clubs desperate to lure elite free agents
JON RALPH, Herald Sun
35 minutes ago
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HAD North Melbourne timed their run a little better, they might be the premiership favourites right now.

At various stages last year, both of Josh Kelly and Dustin Martin were headed to the Roos on massive long-term deals.

Kelly told the Herald Sun this year when the initial $10 million deal was offered he didn’t think he could refuse it, while many close to Martin in August felt he would leave.

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Yet for that pair of players in premiership contention at existing clubs, it was impossible to think the six-win 2017 Roos would next year be a contender.

Imagine this North Melbourne side with Kelly rolling through the midfield and Shaun Higgins and Dustin Martin as attacking half forwards.

It reinforces what a difficult job it is for players and their managers to choose the club that will fill their bank account and put them in the box seat for a flag.

Right now five Victorian clubs are desperately chasing midfield reinforcements and three are chasing key position free agent Tom Lynch.

As colleague Jay Clark wrote, Melbourne, Carlton, St Kilda, Essendon and North Melbourne are all chasing free agent Andrew Gaff.

If they miss on him, most have the salary cap room and inclination to keep pushing hard for a mid like Rory Sloane or someone of that quality.

Several Victorian clubs are chasing West Coast’s Andrew Gaff. Picture: Michael Klein
Lynch’s management has made clear that if Lynch leaves Gold Coast then Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn are his only options.

So if you were Andrew Gaff and decided to leave, you and your agent have to become quasi list managers.

You need to factor in list demographic, culture, likelihood of future success, whether the offer sets you up financially for life, what the coach is like.

For the first time in a decade, Melbourne has emerged as a destination club.

How could a manager not recommend his player move there of the five clubs pushing for midfielders?

The prediction of those “bi-fold doors” opening up on a premiership window the late Dean Bailey talked about has been realised.

Yet if the Roos swung and missed last year, why wouldn’t the Roos be a close second?

They would likely pay significantly more than Melbourne, their facilities are now elite, they are regular finalists, their coach is elite.

And you only need to look at what they have done to maximise the careers of Jarrad Waite and Higgins to see that they get the best out of their players.

Essendon showed it can attract players last year but St Kilda and Carlton would need to offer an extraordinary deal to leapfrog the other trio of clubs to get their man.

Adelaide star Rory Sloane will also attract a lot of interest. Picture: Getty Images
Lynch can’t really lose with his three options, Collingwood’s explosion of fantastic medium-sized forwards an enticing drawcard to play around.

But if you were Lynch, the first question you would ask Alastair Clarkson is whether he was staying around post-2019.

Player manager Marty Pask has twice recently nailed the move for his clients, Brian Lake and Dion Prestia becoming instant premiership players.

He knew Lake would slot into the Hawthorn model, and while cash played its part for Prestia he saw the potential in Richmond’s star-studded midfield despite a disastrous 2016 season.

Chis Judd made up his mind to move to Collingwood a decade ago, but his manager Paul Connors knew he couldn’t get a deal done with the Pies.

So he chose Carlton over Essendon and Melbourne, pitching it as a decision to build from the ground up, but he was unrequited in his time there.

“I remember Juddy leaning towards Collingwood at one stage. I didn’t want him to go there because I couldn’t have got him there,” Connors told Open Mike last year.

His gut feel was right — Judd would likely have won multiple premierships with Collingwood given they won 2010 and he was up there with Gary Ablett as the game’s best mid at that time.

A decade on, eight Victorian clubs have half a season to make their pitches and show they are close enough to a flag to lure the cream of the free agency and trade crop.

CHASING A STAR MIDFIELDER — ANDREW GAFF, RORY SLOANE, OLLIE WINES
MELBOURNE

Haven’t played finals since 2006. But you get to slot into an elite midfield where you aren’t the only star, good facilities, play at the MCG, have an expectation of repeated flag tilts.

NORTH MELBOURNE

Played finals five times in the last decade (two prelims), recruits have thrived there, heaps of cash, only query on how to replace plus-30 brigade.

ESSENDON

Played finals four times in 10 years for no finals wins, as an elite mid you could be the difference, great talls and smalls, great facilities, but have been a finals non-winner for a very long time.

ST KILDA

Played finals four times in the last decade but none of the past six years. Move to Moorabbin a plus, lots of exciting kids but how far are they from premiership window?

CARLTON

A much harder sell. Four finals finishes in last decade a distant memory. Still years from the premiership window. Good facilities, proud club. But building list the right way with exciting young mids.

CHASING A TALL — TOM LYNCH
HAWTHORN

Played finals eight times for four premierships in the decade, elite coach and culture and seem to be on the upswing again with elite talls and improving midfield. But is Clarko staying?

RICHMOND

Four finals series in last decade. Would play with Jack Riewoldt and elite smalls. Coach in form of his life. Play at the MCG, elite mids kicking it to you. What’s not to like?

COLLINGWOOD

Played finals six times since 2008 but none of the past four. For the first time in a while, you are not the Pies saviour. Would play alongside Moore and great mid-sizers. Players love Bucks, on the upswing.

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Ed just joked to Petracca on the FS he has a spare $1.5M (back pay) in a discussion regarding his old man used to work at the club.
Reading between the lines I think Ed is referring to our current salary cap space IMO. mmm wonder who that's for? (Not Petracca obviously)

Hopefully both Petracca AND Lynch

 

[soreplums]

Geelong need a ruckman. If we get Lynch, what happens to Cox?
Could we offer Cox to Geelong, get a pick (what could we get?) and use his cash to top up Moore?

 

[jackcass]

Ed just joked to Petracca on the FS he has a spare $1.5M (back pay) in a discussion regarding his old man used to work at the club.
Reading between the lines I think Ed is referring to our current salary cap space IMO. mmm wonder who that's for? (Not Petracca obviously)

Without having seen it, I'd have thought it's more about an off the books 1 off incentive payment to his old man to entice him to move from the Dees to Collingwood.

 

[Rorzza]

So even Robbo is on the 'Lynch is going Collingwood' bandwagon. Stating on AFL 360 extra (Fox Sports) he has been informed so.

 

[good4footy]

So even Robbo is on the 'Lynch is going Collingwood' bandwagon. Stating on AFL 360 extra (Fox Sports) he has been informed so.

If only he wasn't the same bloke that said 'Beams is staying, take it to the bank'.