Non-Lions Footy Season (2018)

[Dom PC]

Apparently the Rioli retirement might open up enough cap space for the Hawks to get Lynch and Sloane. In addition to Mitchell, O'Meara, McEvoy, Frawley, Gunston, Burgoyne and Impey.

Clearly the salary cap and draft system isn't doing enough to equalise the competition.

Impossible. Whatever he was to be paid gets included in the salary cap.

Who doesn't remember the Michael Voss retirement disaster in 2007 (i think we had to pay him something like 1 million even though he had retired in 2006, all of which had to be included in the 2007 salary cap).

The hawks should get zero cap relief from him retiring.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Cyril's career was a highlights package. Would find it very hard to be anything but positive about a guy who made the game so much fun to watch.

 

[jackess]

Impossible. Whatever he was to be paid gets included in the salary cap.

Who doesn't remember the Michael Voss retirement disaster in 2007 (i think we had to pay him something like 1 million even though he had retired in 2006, all of which had to be included in the 2007 salary cap).

The hawks should get zero cap relief from him retiring.

If a player is unwilling to complete his contract the club doesn't have to complete their part of the deal. The Voss situation was a special case.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

If a player is unwilling to complete his contract the club doesn't have to complete their part of the deal. The Voss situation was a special case.

Unless the contract provides for it.

 

[Dom PC]

If a player is unwilling to complete his contract the club doesn't have to complete their part of the deal. The Voss situation was a special case.

Oh wow. So you are saying Rioli won't be paid anything for his final two years?

If so that's fair enough. Incredible to think he'd walk away from that sort of money (you'd guess at least $1 million)

 

[luthor]

Great player but some of the eulogising on SEN today has been a little over the top IMO.

Anyone who hadn't heard the news of his retirement first might have thought he had died.

 

[CarterS]

Thoughts also with Bruce McAvaney during this difficult time. I have heard rumours he will be moving to NT to live with Cyril and his family.

 

[KissKiss]

I've always been confused on why some contracts have to be included in the cap and some dont. Injury forced retirements, delistings, retirements, etc. Just another one of those sets of unclear rules in the AFL

 

[dlanod]

Impossible. Whatever he was to be paid gets included in the salary cap.

Who doesn't remember the Michael Voss retirement disaster in 2007 (i think we had to pay him something like 1 million even though he had retired in 2006, all of which had to be included in the 2007 salary cap).

The hawks should get zero cap relief from him retiring.

If a player is unwilling to complete his contract the club doesn't have to complete their part of the deal. The Voss situation was a special case.

Voss retired due to injury, so got paid out.

Rioli apparently has not retired due to injury, so doesn't need to be.

We didn't have to pay out Mal Michael when he retired (ignoring the subsequent circumstances).

 

[pauldrc]

Sadly, I think that's spot on.

The clubs that were good/strong during the GC and GWS expansion years have just kept rolling along ......Hawks, Geelong, Sydney.

Free agency has also aided and abetted their "top up" philosophy whilst most of the weaker clubs (like us) suffered substantially from the acoompanying compromised drafts. Moreover, who (of any star quality, free agent or otherwise) wants to come to a struggling "Northern" club when the crowds and the glamour and the Premierships are in Victoria?

Unless somehing is done to alter the current paradigm, our comp is going to get more and more like the EPL.

Yes,

A great point.

Sadly Gil and the AFL seem to be blind to this.

 

[Football Pope]

Thoughts also with Bruce McAvaney during this difficult time. I have heard rumours he will be moving to NT to live with Cyril and his family.

Nah... after the Brownlow, Grand Final and Norm wins that "special" has him Dustin himself off and movin' on

 

[BuntonRules]

Yes,

A great point.

Sadly Gil and the AFL seem to be blind to this.

They are not blind to it. They live in Melbourne and are generally pleased with it. The competition is equal, just more equal for some than others.

 

[Skoob]

Impossible. Whatever he was to be paid gets included in the salary cap.

Who doesn't remember the Michael Voss retirement disaster in 2007 (i think we had to pay him something like 1 million even though he had retired in 2006, all of which had to be included in the 2007 salary cap).

The hawks should get zero cap relief from him retiring.

Voss retired due to injury, so got paid out.

Rioli apparently has not retired due to injury, so doesn't need to be.

We didn't have to pay out Mal Michael when he retired (ignoring the subsequent circumstances).

IIRC, didn't Voss go on to the LTI to enable us to meet our minimum cap obligations? We had no way of spending it without him on the list. I believe other clubs have done this too, moving a retiree on to the LTI to meet cap requirements. Can't remember all the details, but am certain keeping Voss on the list was a loophole that benefited the club.

 

[Hollow Knight]

My recollection was that Voss’s contract was heavily backended and we couldn’t pay him out in his retirement year in a lump sum without going over the cap so we had to keep him on the list the following year in order to pay him out fairly, giving up a list spot in the process.

 

[Skoob]

My recollection was that Voss’s contract was heavily backended and we couldn’t pay him out in his retirement year in a lump sum without going over the cap so we had to keep him on the list the following year in order to pay him out fairly, giving up a list spot in the process.

Thanks, yes that sounds spot on.

 

[dlanod]

IIRC, didn't Voss go on to the LTI to enable us to meet our minimum cap obligations? We had no way of spending it without him on the list. I believe other clubs have done this too, moving a retiree on to the LTI to meet cap requirements. Can't remember all the details, but am certain keeping Voss on the list was a loophole that benefited the club.

This:

My recollection was that Voss’s contract was heavily backended and we couldn’t pay him out in his retirement year in a lump sum without going over the cap so we had to keep him on the list the following year in order to pay him out fairly, giving up a list spot in the process.

We wanted to get him off the list but had to keep him on the following year. Yeah, we might have put him on to the LTI but the only reason he was still on the list at all was because we couldn't fit the $1.2m (IIRC) into our cap in the year he retired.

Nick Stevens retired about the same time and Carlton almost had the same issue, but they had enough spare in their injury payment cap to cover the payout.

 

[Kevvo]

Poor guy. That’d be rotten after the issues he’s had.

 

[M Malice]

Cameron Karma?

Probably attacked Cameron's elbow with his knee during a training drill, Patton now serving a club imposed suspension.

Seriously though I would never wish or celebrate an injury to any player in any team, hope Patton is fine.

 

[Tom14]

Probably attacked Cameron's elbow with his knee during a training drill, Patton now serving a club imposed suspension.

Seriously though I would never wish or celebrate an injury to any player in any team, hope Patton is fine.

Would be a third ACL tear. Such a shame he's never really had an extended injury-free run.

 

[BRAB]

Cameron Karma?

Pretty awful comment mate.

 

[patfullfankezz]

So not fair to Patton, who I've met and thought was a nice young man.

Nicer than some of his teammates...

 

[luthor]

Poor bugger.

Acl's are terrible but I really feel for those who have suffered multiple tears

 

[Flossie32]

Day for injuries it seems, St Kilda players injured today at training - josh Bruce - broken leg and Jake Carlisle punctured lung.
Josh is done for the season apparently- not sure about Jake.

 

[trikster]

Day for injuries it seems, St Kilda players injured today at training - josh Bruce - broken leg and Jake Carlisle punctured lung.
Josh is done for the season apparently- not sure about Jake.

Carlisle I think they said is only a week or two

 

[brizrider]

Why the hell doesn’t the Gabba have that anti dew spray they are using at the SCG tonight? What’s with this crazy little town that we have to live with weather?