Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion - Part 3: Everybody Hurts by R.E.M is our new club theme song

[GreyCrow]

8 is about right

 

[GreyCrow]

Not 100% but 7 news have run with Port pretty well accepting he’s gone and even Kane has.

Port must not want him then. They only let go players they dont want

 

[footy4ever]

But the judge said she regarded the attacks as more of "a loss of control" fuelled by alcohol, than deliberate violence.
So basically beat someone and as long as your drinking alcohol all is forgiven.

Exactly. Say '**** you' to society, take those drugs that make you psychotic, commit a hideous crime, but hey, mental health.

 

[I_Was_There]

Yeh me.

Works for me

 

[Redleg Crow]

8 is probably ok... I thought 10 would be the "woah that is setting a real precedent" number.

 

[FAITH]

Works for me

North Melbourne 750k 4years

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Right penalty

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Right penalty

That was one big gaff he made. One he'll not forget in a hurry.

 

[simmo97]

i thought gaff would get 7 weeks due to no previous suspension.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Port must not want him then. They only let go players they dont want

Be very disappointing if he leaves, suddenly Port have the accumulated currency to get top end SA talent.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Sense port have snagged someone

need to unload

Hopefully an sa player.

 

[Pea Nut]

Be very disappointing if he leaves, suddenly Port have the accumulated currency to get top end SA talent.

Polec was supposed to be top end SA talent ???

 

[TRP1996]

Would love to see that happen
- similar to when we lost double chance years ago when St Kilda v Essendon (i think it was) and one of them laid down in the last quarter

2008. We then capitulated to Collingwood in the EF the following week.

 

[rocket18]

Polec was supposed to be top end SA talent ???

Like Watts is the next great linkman.
Like Rockliff the next Browblow Medalist.
Like Ryder the next good tall forward.
Like Dixon the next good tall forward (cos Ryder can only ruck, powah never watched him at Essendon)
Like Motflop the next mercurial half forward.
Like Trengove the next ummm, ummmm, sorry got nothing.

 

[Pea Nut]

Like Watts is the next great linkman.
Like Rockliff the next Browblow Medalist.
Like Ryder the next good tall forward.
Like Dixon the next good tall forward (cos Ryder can only ruck, powah never watched him at Essendon)
Like Motflop the next mercurial half forward.
Like Trengove the next ummm, ummmm, sorry got nothing.

You forgot The Superboot, the greatest trade period steal of all time !!

 

[Redleg Crow]

Like Watts is the next great linkman.
Like Rockliff the next Browblow Medalist.
Like Ryder the next good tall forward.
Like Dixon the next good tall forward (cos Ryder can only ruck, powah never watched him at Essendon)
Like Motflop the next mercurial half forward.
Like Trengove the next ummm, ummmm, sorry got nothing.

And Toumpas...

 

[Bay62]

Poor sentencing submission by Gaff’s lawyer imo

Something that serious you don’t submit that it should be “at the lower end which starts at 3 games”

Do that in a case like this and you lose all ability to influence the final result

The tribunal doesn’t care what you ideally want, they care about what is reasonable in all the circumstances

The tribunal knows it’s going to give something substantial, it’s looking for your help to decide how substantial. Not helped at all if you just say “the minimum or something close to it”

You look for the one mitigating factor in your entire threadbare case - in this instance, the idea that he intended to hit him in the chest - and you make a strong argument that it is something worth taking into account

What you’re looking for is a reason why the tribunal should give a penalty not at the lower end of the scale (3 or 4) but at the lower end of the upper end - around 6

Suggest that there’s a possible, plausible reason why it should be 6 and not 8 and you have a chance to influence the tribunal. They could then possibly decide on 6 or 7 and feel comfortable doing that. They would never feel comfortable giving him 3 or 4

Get him 6 or 7 matches instead of 8 and you’ve helped him out in a no win situation. Tell the tribunal you think it should be close to 3 and they’ll completely ignore you and listen to the other lawyer

8 games is reasonable overall but Gaff’s lawyer did him no favours here

 

[kirky]

Be very disappointing if he leaves, suddenly Port have the accumulated currency to get top end SA talent.

Or they are paying Ollie a lot more - perhaps the decision was Ollie or Jared?

Took a look at the Score Review on the PAPs board - **** me dead - saw the first 7 pages and thought I can’t do this.

 

[Crom]

8 weeks, and missing the Grand Final if West Coast make it, seems about right. Good work AFL.

 

[Pea Nut]

Poor sentencing submission by Gaff’s lawyer imo

Something that serious you don’t submit that it should be “at the lower end which starts at 3 games”

Do that in a case like this and you lose all ability to influence the final result

They don’t care what you ideally want, they care about what is reasonable in all the circumstances

The tribunal knows it’s going to give something substantial, it’s looking for your help to decide how substantial. Not helped at all if you just say “the minimum or something close to it”

You look for the one mitigating factor in your entire threadbare case - in this instance, the idea that he intended to hit him in the chest

What you’re looking for is a reason why the tribunal should give a penalty not at the lower end of the scale (3 or 4) but at the lower end of the upper end - around 6

Suggest that there’s a possible reason why it should be 6 and not 8 and you have a chance to influence the tribunal

Get him 6 or 7 matches and you’ve helped him out. Tell the tribunal you think it should be close to 3 and they’ll completely ignore you and listen to the other lawyer

8 games is reasonable overall but Gaff’s lawyer did him no favours here

They just spoke about that on AFL360. He didn't actually suggest that Gaff get 3 weeks, he was pointing out that an incident that was deemed to be high contact, intentional and severe impact that the penalty starts at 3 weeks. His lawyer didn't actually make a suggestion on what the penalty should be.

 

[Bay62]

They just spoke about that on AFL360. He didn't actually suggest that Gaff get 3 weeks, he was pointing out that an incident that was deemed to be high contact, intentional and severe impact that the penalty starts at 3 weeks. His lawyer didn't actually make a suggestion on what the penalty should be.

Sure thanks - just going on the bit I saw online. Still the same I think, he suggested at the lower end which starts at 3. Sometimes lawyers don’t want to suggest a number because they’re worried they’ll suggest something higher than what the tribunal is thinking. Unlikely to happen in this case. Even if he’d suggested 5-6. Something as bad as this you’ve got to mount an argument and drive it for what it’s worth, OR say “we make no submission, my client takes what’s coming”. Not make any suggestion that the minimum is at all a reasonable outcome

 

[Crow till I die]

If we are harboring serious thoughts about trading up to secure either Lukosius or Rankine, we had better be careful if polec leaves as i think North will cough up their 1st to get him and if they get that, they might be in a position to trade up with Gold Coast and remember Dew has strong port links. It would make me sick to the core if somehow they ended up with either Lukosius or Rankine and we ended up with Neither. I hope the boys in our drafting and trading department have give serious thought to the flogs down the road coming in and cutting our lunch

 

[Grooster24]

Port must not want him then. They only let go players they dont want

It's probably just their lead up narrative. So when he re-signs they can say their world leading, family orientated, best culture, world patent leading, can't do no wrong, always the victim...club was so good that they can change any players mind to stay...

 

[I_Was_There]

It's probably just their lead up narrative. So when he re-signs they can see their world leading, family orientated, best culture, world patent leading, can't do no wrong, always the victim...club was so good that they can change any players mind to stay...

As long as they spend lots of any cap they may have left on Polec's re-signing, I have no problem at all.

 

[arrowman]

Rockliff the next Browblow Medalist.

I think he's still in the running for that one!