Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Sector 7G]

The early PP was never proven to be a great unfair advantage, teams weren't getting two early picks and going on to dominate, perhaps Hawthorn but that's only part of their story. The way I see it is that betting agencies squealed a bit because teams played for the PP a bit. Tanking never affected the outcome of the season and rarely happened anyway. The AFL have taken so much from bottom sides and given so much to top sides the last few seasons, it needs to look into giving a bit back. We can get back up without a PP but it would be nice to have more guarantee, security and to do it quicker. I think a pick around the 10 mark is fair but the AFL need to look at ways to better resource very weak sides.

Would not surprise me if the AFL are taking notice because one of their projects is on the verge of falling over. Can't give the Gold Coast assistance without giving Carlton assistance so there is always that.

Collingwood won a premiership off the back of a PP for one down season.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Pick #19, I'd take it no doubt but have to be realistic here. It'll probably get pushed to #21-22. Is that really going to help struggling sides? Now if GC get one, it'll push our 2nd rounders back even further to the point that the Dogs pick ends up being #27 and the Crows one into the 30's.

Garth Vader was spot on when he said it sounds more like a tokenism.

Has to be a pick before finals teams for it to really be worthwhile. GC Lynch compo will push it to #10 then academy bid to #11. Possibly Rozee or Caldwell?

 

[Wily trout]

How excited was he!!

To me he is the classic example of what is wrong with AFL sports media. He always puts in his own agenda, opinion and bias' as if it is fact, and smirks like an idiot when reporting about teams he obviously hates (us) pumps up his own team (the Tigers) and those #%£€¥%# eyebrows......deep breath

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I think a pp before the finals sides pick is a reasonable compromise. Far more likely to find an afl player than pick 21 which is far too hit or miss to be any sort of leg up for the bottom sides.

Also agree that top sides should be penalised picks for attracting top end free agents

 

[tencentpiece]

Fantastic work by the club and all those involved, pick #19 all but guaranteed

 

[rp84]

Fantastic work by the club and all those involved, pick #19 all but guaranteed

Little disappointing if we end up with what will end up being pick 21 or so after bids and FA compo. Better than nothing. Hopefully we can turn our second rounders into another top 10.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not #19 mate, #22...

 

[HARKER]

Little disappointing if we end up with what will end up being pick 21 or so after bids and FA compo. Better than nothing. Hopefully we can turn our second rounders into another top 10.

Lynch Compo, Blakey, West & Thomas, just for starters. That makes it a pick #23 at best.

Doesn't matter as it's still far better than nothing and let's be honest; It's fair enough, if not just a little too fair.

 

[gandaal]

Fantastic work by the club and all those involved, pick #19 all but guaranteed

Very good news. Thanks mate.

Have we played the media?

Float the possibility of an early first rounder out there so that when we get 19 the media celebrates instead of bitching about handouts.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Which means our 2nd rounders get pushed to #27 and #30.

So #1 + #23 + #27 + #30.

Better than nothing but it really shits me how these academy picks push everybody down the draft.

 

[Rarely Rong]

The system is very much like the US economy at the moment. The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. The poor teams are simply not getting the assistance they need. People crying about priority picks fail to realise how advantageous it is for the successful teams with Free Agency. Furthermore, they also forget that any young talent entering into a struggling team will inevitably suffer from a lack of leadership and strong culture thus lowering their chances of flourishing.

Priority picks should certainly be brought back as they are needed now more than ever before. It's one extra 18 year old kid for crying out loud, it's not a guaranteed super star like a Josh Kelly being given to a club.

What assistance did Richmond get?

No doubt free agency has made things a little lob sided but seriously, we need to harden up and take responsibility for the position we're in.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

What assistance did Richmond get?

No doubt free agency has made things a little lob sided but seriously, we need to harden up and take responsibility for the position we're in.

Rance.

 

[HARKER]

Which means our 2nd rounders get pushed to #27 and #30.

So #1 + #23 + #27 + #30.

Better than nothing but it really shits me how these academy picks push everybody down the draft.

You sort of have to look at it as if they were never on the table in the first place.

Who knows, Quaynor, Cameron and McFadyen may be bid on in the top 20 also. That would make that #19 a #26

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You sort of have to look at it as if they were never on the table in the first place.

Who knows, Quaynor, Cameron and McFadyen may be bid on in the top 20 also. That would make that #19 a #26

Yeah that's how I look at it. Still is quite annoying that some of the best kids are pretty much unavailable.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

To me he is the classic example of what is wrong with AFL sports media. He always puts in his own agenda, opinion and bias' as if it is fact, and smirks like an idiot when reporting about teams he obviously hates (us) pumps up his own team (the Tigers) and those #%£€¥%# eyebrows......deep breath

I’d call him unprofessional but it’s near standard practice these days.

Now....deep breath....aaaaaand....release

 

[TooBlue14]

Lynch Compo, Blakey, West & Thomas, just for starters. That makes it a pick #23 at best.

Doesn't matter as it's still far better than nothing and let's be honest; It's fair enough, if not just a little too fair.

It’s still the 19th best player not including those 4. It’s still the first pick in the second round. It’s still before Adelaide’s pick. I can go on.

 

[SurreyBlue]

What assistance did Richmond get?

No doubt free agency has made things a little lob sided but seriously, we need to harden up and take responsibility for the position we're in.

In fairness to our younger supporters. Hand outs is a culture that has been inbreed in them.
They have never known what the club was like when it was successful and what this culture involves and breeds.

 

[ferrisb]

People don't realise that it's so much harder to rebuild now than it was 10 years ago.

Free agency keeps top sides topped up, forcing trades or just flat out leaving via FA.
Two extra teams means picks are 18 apart and not 16, this adds up and really effects later picks in the draft.
Two extra teams means there's less mature gold in state leagues, you just don't seem to see the amount or quality of mature rookie listed players coming through.
No more early priority picks. PPs hard to get.
Game has become harder running and more physical meaning young players take longer to develop and impact.

You consider we are doing a full rebuild, what we have achieved is outstanding considering the resources clubs like us have lost.

I'd bring priority picks back for clubs who are down the bottom because their list is genuinely weak. Not for clubs who just slide and land there, clubs who are rebuilding and need to build a list.

The balance needs to be brought back.

I'd bring a PP that's between pick 10-14 - Draft a gun 18 year old or big trade.
A PP somewhere in the 3rd round - Encourages trading.
Lower the total player payments significantly - Teams with weak lists would now be able to open the cap right up and this allows them into the FA market and would also open the door for trading.

This wouldn't create unbeatable superpowers. This would give real bad sides the necessary boost so they aren't out of finals for 6-10 years and get them competing again.

It's not about handouts or forcing clubs to get their shit together. It's about giving clubs the necessary resources to recover and get going again in an acceptable time frame.

I fully support your mechanisms for helping perennially struggling clubs.

But at the same time I am also comfortable with teams going over 5000 days (now 5095) without a finals win.

 

[HARKER]

Yeah that's how I look at it. Still is quite annoying that some of the best kids are pretty much unavailable.

It wouldn't be so much so, should they be our kids though.

It's this new NGA that could be an issue. Imagine if a club falls into some 'luck' and has access to two of the best five players in the draft via the NGA?

I don't mind so much NSW and QLD having first bite to their own, but even that will present some serious issues for other clubs somewhere down the line.

 

[Prem17]

Little disappointing if we end up with what will end up being pick 21 or so after bids and FA compo. Better than nothing. Hopefully we can turn our second rounders into another top 10.

I agree but we can offset that disappointment if we manage to find another Fisher in the 20's.

 

[ferrisb]

We need to pay up for Shiel, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle seeing him at the Bombers.. Watching Smith and Saad tear it up tonight made me so Saad and Devon-stated.

Chin up, Shiel be right mate.

 

[The Bighouse]

Does the presence of Usain Bolt put the AFL HQ into overdrive to assist GCFC (CFC as a bi-product) with draft assistance? Food for thought.

 

[Accidental genius]

If we get Picks 1 and 4, we need to use Pick 1 on Lukosius and trade pick 4 for two picks in the top 12.

No we don't...just pick best available player with your highest picks...do not give this opportunity up...

 

[Zlatan]

What assistance did Richmond get?

No doubt free agency has made things a little lob sided but seriously, we need to harden up and take responsibility for the position we're in.

Yep. I wonder if our fans would be kicking and screaming if things were the other way around.

SOS refuses to open the wallet for the big players, so hard to see why anyone of note would want to come here if the money is better elsewhere and a chance to actually win something.

We got ourselves in this situation, it should be on nobody but us to get out of it.

And even though i don’t want it, pick 19 is much easier to accept than a pick in the top 10 so I’m somewhat happy with this result.

 

[KnobHead]

Little disappointing if we end up with what will end up being pick 21 or so after bids and FA compo. Better than nothing. Hopefully we can turn our second rounders into another top 10.

See where you’re coming from, but for mine I think any team getting a PP at the start of the second round can consider itself lucky.

I’d be a little peeved if another club that drafted as poorly as we did were awarded a PP.

We are where we are largely from our own making. Yes, the salary cap penalties were harsh, but that’s over 15 years ago. The main reason is because we picked poorly for about 5 to 6 years straight (in fact, “poorly” is putting it nicely). That’s our own fault.

Am happy with what the club has done over the last 3 years though. Also I think we’ll use the PP to good effect and not waste it.


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