2018 Trade and FA thread (opposition supporters post in Trade Hypotheticals thread)

[a mayes ing]

Can you blame the players for how bad we have been the last 7-8 years? Wheel is slowly turning.

Not at all. However, it does highlight the clear advantage Carlton has over us when they have been just awful for years and can still attract a gun talent like him and others

Think he might be referring to one's we don't yet know about.

Hmm, nice to think about, Kinda hoping it is someone knew that hasn't been mentioned yet. Definitly want Wallis, havent seen enough of ross to say much about him, Steven is a gun but too old for our profile.

 

[BRAB]

Which gun have we got that hasn't want to come home?
Beams - come home for his sick dad
Cameron - come home
Christensen - arguable gun. position at Geelong was untenable if you believe the rumours but the fact he came here out of the other clubs was a good sign.
Robinson - last chance saloon, not a gun at the time

Not sure who else.

Broncos might be your team for now mate for that sort of stuff.

Come back in 2 years when we're good.

 

[buttermuffs]

Can't see GC giving us pick 2 because if Adelaide grab Lukocious then the next best player would be Walsh. GC will get pick 2 and 3, they will give us pick 3 and then pick Walsh at 2

It would definitely still have to come at a price. I am banking on maybe some kindness in their hearts although I’m in no way shape or form actually expecting them to. Maybe we convince someone like Christensen or Lyons to head down the highway to save us having to give up an extra pick.

I’m pulling things out of the butt here; I really don’t gave a clue but throwing ‘possibilities’ out there I guess.

 

[SonnyBoy1]

I still think Noble and Ambrogio have a reasonably big fish up their sleeve this trade period.

We will end up with nothing besides paying overs for Ellis-Yolmen this club is not changing just gonna continuing paying overs for spuds.

 

[a mayes ing]

Broncos might be your team for now mate for that sort of stuff.

Come back in 2 years when we're good.

eh? What a wierd post, was just highlighting the fact that we are disadvantaged when it comes to luring talent which everyone knows about. Not sure how you think that means someone should stop following a team based on looking at facts. Wierd

 

[BRAB]

eh? What a wierd post, was just highlighting the fact that we are disadvantaged when it comes to luring talent which everyone knows about. Not sure how you think that means someone should stop following a team based on looking at facts. Wierd

We certainly are at a disadvantage when you discount every single good thing that's happened to us arbitrarily.

James Roberts is something else. 10/10, would buy a membership.

 

[BRAB]

eh? What a wierd post, was just highlighting the fact that we are disadvantaged when it comes to luring talent which everyone knows about. Not sure how you think that means someone should stop following a team based on looking at facts. Wierd

We certainly are at a disadvantage when you discount every single good thing that's happened to us arbitrarily.

James Roberts is something else. 10/10, would buy a membership.

 

[a mayes ing]

We certainly are at a disadvantage when you discount every single good thing that's happened to us arbitrarily.

James Roberts is something else. 10/10, would buy a membership.

I was exclusively talking about trades, you trying to start something? am happy for you to message me and we can discuss it...

 

[Fatcat08]

We will end up with nothing besides paying overs for Ellis-Yolmen this club is not changing just gonna continuing paying overs for spuds.

That's the spirit.

 

[buttermuffs]

I just like posting here every time I might update my ideal scenario/expectations.

It seems more likely that Beams will move on to a Melbourne club. As sad as I am, I understand it completely and hope he just is open and honest with everyone. I wish him all the best.

When trading him, I think North Melbourne are a good team to deal with. If we trade him I think we can get pick eleven, a third round pick next year and Preuss for him. There was talk on the other board about something like this and I’d be happy with it.

Beams -> 11, 48, Preuss

From there, we can hopefully do:

11-> Ross

This might be a stretch considering the saints want both King twins but I still think Ben could slide a bit more than Max.

5, 2019 2nd -> 2

This is fairly straight forward but we might have to put in another sweetener in the end. If Adelaide trade for pick one with McGovern then pick two would net us Walsh.

Then if we are fortunate enough to sign Wallis, we could walk away with Ross, Wallis, Walsh, Berry, McFadyen and one other player possibly (maybe Coleman).

Last year, we lost Rockliff, but we still managed to improve this year without his clearances and ball winning. I believe that although we lose Beams, our young guys will take another step, which, in combination with the added mature talent, will be enough to make up for the lost talent of Beams. The teams improvement does not have to come solely from the midfield this year, and our main struggle has always been depth.

Next year, Walsh, Wallis, Ross and Rayner will all be able to have sizeable rotations through the midfield. Additionally, Bailey and Starcevich will also be able to be played periodically through the midfield like Cam did this season. I think our midfield would survive without Beams.

This is all I have right now. Shoutout to everyone here, it’s a lot of fun having some friendly debate.

 

[briztoon]

The only way I can see us drafting Walsh is to trade our 2018 and 2019 first round picks for him. Maybe we get a 2019 second round pick back, or a 2018 third round pick back (GC will likely need to trade dump both their third round picks this year). Personally I would do it if we genuinely believe Walsh has a ceiling similar to Kelly.

Nor do I see St Kilda accepting a future pick for Ross. Saint's drafted two kids in the top 10 last year, they would ideally want another two first round picks this year. If Beams left for a late first round pick, maybe that is enough to get Ross to Brisbane, maybe we need to add a third round pick.

Do people honestly believe that Beams has more than two years left in AFL, whether he's in Brisbane or Melbourne? Next year from Beams, I'm expecting a year not to dissimilar to Rocky's year this season.

 

[Chezz]

The only way I can see us drafting Walsh is to trade our 2018 and 2019 first round picks for him. Maybe we get a 2019 second round pick back, or a 2018 third round pick back (GC will likely need to trade dump both their third round picks this year). Personally I would do it if we genuinely believe Walsh has a ceiling similar to Kelly.

Nor do I see St Kilda accepting a future pick for Ross. Saint's drafted two kids in the top 10 last year, they would ideally want another two first round picks this year. If Beams left for a late first round pick, maybe that is enough to get Ross to Brisbane, maybe we need to add a third round pick.

Do people honestly believe that Beams has more than two years left in AFL, whether he's in Brisbane or Melbourne? Next year from Beams, I'm expecting a year not to dissimilar to Rocky's year this season.

Beams is a far, far superior player to Rockliff. To suggest he is going to have a season like Rockliff had next year is just ridiculous. Beams is going to be in the All-Australian side while Rocky plodded in the back lines racking up cheap touches. No comparison.

To suggest giving up 2 first rounders for Walsh? Seriously. He's going to be a good player but talk about big overs. Projects to me much more like Dyson Heppell, a good solid midfielder than Josh Kelly, who is an inside beast.

I'm all for going after the RFA's especially if they only cost us salary cap. But giving high picks for guys like Ross is just crazy stuff. He would improve us... If we're happy to be a 12th placed team. I want us to stick with getting the best kids in and keep building through the draft. Quick fixes for bottom clubs like us never work

 

[TheHairyGamer]

With McGovern wanting to go to a Melbourne club (read Carlton) it will end up with pick 1 going to Adelaide (though Adelaide will also have to add more) I think maybe our first and second picks (which could include a pick we get for Beams) and may be Mayes, for pick 2. Both win out of that. We get the man we think has a good future at the club and GC and an extra pick in the top 25

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[bungalow_bill]

Beams is a far, far superior player to Rockliff. To suggest he is going to have a season like Rockliff had next year is just ridiculous. Beams is going to be in the All-Australian side while Rocky plodded in the back lines racking up cheap touches. No comparison.

To suggest giving up 2 first rounders for Walsh? Seriously. He's going to be a good player but talk about big overs. Projects to me much more like Dyson Heppell, a good solid midfielder than Josh Kelly, who is an inside beast.

I'm all for going after the RFA's especially if they only cost us salary cap. But giving high picks for guys like Ross is just crazy stuff. He would improve us... If we're happy to be a 12th placed team. I want us to stick with getting the best kids in and keep building through the draft. Quick fixes for bottom clubs like us never work

Agreed. 2 x first rounders for Walsh is too much. Our first two picks - 5/19 is not too bad. No pick 5 for Ross but if we get a mid-late first for Beams I'd be okay with that

 

[Lions Lions]

The only way I can see us drafting Walsh is to trade our 2018 and 2019 first round picks for him. Maybe we get a 2019 second round pick back, or a 2018 third round pick back (GC will likely need to trade dump both their third round picks this year). Personally I would do it if we genuinely believe Walsh has a ceiling similar to Kelly.

Nor do I see St Kilda accepting a future pick for Ross. Saint's drafted two kids in the top 10 last year, they would ideally want another two first round picks this year. If Beams left for a late first round pick, maybe that is enough to get Ross to Brisbane, maybe we need to add a third round pick.

Do people honestly believe that Beams has more than two years left in AFL, whether he's in Brisbane or Melbourne? Next year from Beams, I'm expecting a year not to dissimilar to Rocky's year this season.

Beams will get 3 or 4 years at least.... hes had a harrowing year personally yet played great footy in the last 17 weeks. If he goes to collingwood for example he will be the 2nd or 3rd most important midfielder and there wont be as much pressure on him. He will be a great pick up. 30 touches a game who kicks goals. Hes a star. He will def get more than two years out of his body.

 

[Lions Lions]

Walsh will be a star. He is worth taking the chance on giving up next years first round pick... if we improve quite a bit we might be only giving up pick 9 or 10 in 2019. We give up pick 5 this year which is a precarious spot in the draft.
Walsh is a running machine. Can win it inside and out, has class, has good vision, hes a leader and has scope to build a stronger body and will be a mid who will knock up 30 a game for you through just sheer workrate. We need to be bold. He has a passion for the lions much like browny did when we drafted him f/s. He has so much going for him. I think he is worth the risk.

 

[scoman]

Did I hear we are going to give Eagles another year? If thats the case and we keep Walker as well then our list is just too tall. Something like 12 talls and three ruckman.
Gardiner, Walker, Andrews, McStay, Hipwood, Frost, Skinner, Payne, Eagles, Wooller, Ballenden, Fullerton, Martin, McInerney and Smith.

I dont believe this helps the development of our talls in the NEAFL. We had this issue a couple of years ago. At one point I remember us juggling four tall forwards in the forwardline.

 

[M Malice]

Did I hear we are going to give Eagles another year? If thats the case and we keep Walker as well then our list is just too tall. Something like 12 talls and three ruckman.
Gardiner, Walker, Andrews, McStay, Hipwood, Frost, Skinner, Payne, Eagles, Wooller, Ballenden, Fullerton, Martin, McInerney and Smith.

I dont believe this helps the development of our talls in the NEAFL. We had this issue a couple of years ago. At one point I remember us juggling four tall forwards in the forwardline.

I agree we have probably 2-3 too many talls, but there are extenuating circumstances if you look at the age of the guys you've listed.

Overall a very young group and a few unproven in Skinner, Payne, Wooller, Fullarton, Ballenden.

Josh Walker- OOC but I'd give him a one year contract to see if he continues his end of season form, needs a consistent 2019.
Jack Frost- Not up to it, if he was OOC would be gone, OOC next year then gone.
Stef Martin- 1-2 years left.
Archie Smith- He's lucky he isn't OOC until 2020, has been on the list for 5 years now, needs to start showing something.

Our tall stocks could look very different by the end of 2019-20

 

[briztoon]

Beams is a far, far superior player to Rockliff. To suggest he is going to have a season like Rockliff had next year is just ridiculous. Beams is going to be in the All-Australian side while Rocky plodded in the back lines racking up cheap touches. No comparison.

To suggest giving up 2 first rounders for Walsh? Seriously. He's going to be a good player but talk about big overs. Projects to me much more like Dyson Heppell, a good solid midfielder than Josh Kelly, who is an inside beast.

I'm all for going after the RFA's especially if they only cost us salary cap. But giving high picks for guys like Ross is just crazy stuff. He would improve us... If we're happy to be a 12th placed team. I want us to stick with getting the best kids in and keep building through the draft. Quick fixes for bottom clubs like us never work

My point with the comparison to Rockliff is not what type of players they are, it is about Rockliff's body failing him and that affecting his game. I am just saying that I see the same thing happening with Beams next year. This year Beams really got beat up game after game. So many times he hit the ground this year and was really, really slow to get up, often accompanied by lots of grimacing and wincing.

Maybe moving forward or to more of an outside position might prolong his effectiveness, but he will have to pick up his defensive intensity if he does.

 

[werdna78]

Did I hear we are going to give Eagles another year? If thats the case and we keep Walker as well then our list is just too tall. Something like 12 talls and three ruckman.
Gardiner, Walker, Andrews, McStay, Hipwood, Frost, Skinner, Payne, Eagles, Wooller, Ballenden, Fullerton, Martin, McInerney and Smith.

I dont believe this helps the development of our talls in the NEAFL. We had this issue a couple of years ago. At one point I remember us juggling four tall forwards in the forwardline.

IMO maybe the coaches value Eagles over Walker. From what I've seen he goes harder at the ball and is more of a presence on the field, just needs to keep his feet.

 

[cotter101]

I’d say there’s a decent chance Walker and Martin could be traded. Frost might get delisted a year early. But they might avoid that as I’m fairly sure that Bastinac will be. Frost’s reserves form has been good hasn’t it? Probably remains a solid back up option.

 

[JakePeralta]

Just read Keays wanting out to a vic club to get more opportunity.....not sure why a vic club which leads me to doubt this rumour. Looked very serious in the Neafl highlights tho not clapping any of the goals that I saw.

There is definitely fire near this smoke. Just not sure anyone would be that serious on him to trade for him.

 

[M Malice]

I’d say there’s a decent chance Walker and Martin could be traded. Frost might get delisted a year early. But they might avoid that as I’m fairly sure that Bastinac will be. Frost’s reserves form has been good hasn’t it? Probably remains a solid back up option.

Just a gut feel on the bolded cotter or you heard something?

 

[TheHairyGamer]

I agree we have probably 2-3 too many talls, but there are extenuating circumstances if you look at the age of the guys you've listed.

Overall a very young group and a few unproven in Skinner, Payne, Wooller, Fullarton, Ballenden.

Josh Walker- OOC but I'd give him a one year contract to see if he continues his end of season form, needs a consistent 2019.
Jack Frost- Not up to it, if he was OOC would be gone, OOC next year then gone.
Stef Martin- 1-2 years left.
Archie Smith- He's lucky he isn't OOC until 2020, has been on the list for 5 years now, needs to start showing something.

Our tall stocks could look very different by the end of 2019-20

I have lost all faith in Archie personally. Looked good in glimpses when he first got games, but that is still all he has shown. Oscar has passed him by after less time in the system. I think he is very lucky to have 2 more years on that contract.

 

[Brett C]

IMO maybe the coaches value Eagles over Walker. From what I've seen he goes harder at the ball and is more of a presence on the field, just needs to keep his feet.

Walker is a much better player than Eagles and I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles is delisted. I think with the number of talls we have that Eagles is surplus to requirements based on his age and honestly lack of upside.