Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[JackOutback]

You do understand that all of these are the imaginings of some random person and not leaks from within Star Wars, yes?

 

[exe ex machina]

You do understand that all of these are the imaginings of some random person and not leaks from within Star Wars, yes?

No

 

[exe ex machina]

There are actually leaks coming from story boards, set designs, costume designs, extras, etc that he mentions incessantly at the beginning of each of his videos.

All sourced from articles around the net and/or receives via email.

It's not good to be such a doubting Thomas.

 

[JackOutback]

There are actually leaks coming from story boards, set designs, costume designs, extras, etc that he mentions incessantly at the beginning of each of his videos.

All sourced from articles around the net and/or receives via email.

It's not good to be such a doubting Thomas.

Just like all those leaks from The Last Jedi? You're giving him hits for made up nonsense. Disney have been very good about keeping things on the down low. I mean people talk about Fett and Kenobi movies being approved, then cancelled, directors being hired etc but we simply don't actually know at what stage any of these were.

 

[Janus]

Does Mike Zeroh have a good enough strike rate to even bother mentioning his stuff? Isn’t it all just his own theories?

 

[exe ex machina]

Ok let's assume he's running a bit wild, still it's interesting, would be in the vicinity of truth

 

[mike123]

More discussion about how Abrams is trying to tie all the trilogies together. Connections between ROTS and IX talked about, re-using set designs and sound effects and music from ROTS, also re-scored version of Duel of Fates, re-visiting worlds like Mustafa, Naboo, Coruscant, and specific sets used from the Prequels. Gonna be a lot of mimicking scenes from the PT like TFA/TLJ mimicked scenes from the OT. Also, playing on the characters of the ST specifically comparing them to PT characters in callback scenes. Zeroh tho complains that things just cant be slapped together like that, there has to be reason/purpose and semblance of justification when making character/scene callbacks.

I like how he’s using PT stuff but it’s too little to late for mine.

 

[exe ex machina]

I like how he’s using PT stuff but it’s too little to late for mine.

Agreed. Tho I reckon IX has the potential as a standalone SW movie to be one of the best saga movies.

 

[King Elvis]

I liked a theory I read earlier - when the Jedi allowed "the will of the force" to determine what happened, when they were just "agents" of the force - there was no need for the "dark side" to rise for balance.

It was only once the Jedi hubris came to the fore, once they started manipulating the force to their will, that 'the chosen one' was created. Then, having successfully destroyed the jedi, his final act was to destroy the evil that was now out-of-balance.

Luke, as uber-powerful as he was, was an observer of the force - he knew that by bending it to his will, he would only create a counter-balancing dark force user. By closing himself off, he removed/reduced the force abilities of all force users - perhaps this is why Kylo is so poor.

This led me to the following retro-fitted theory:

The "awakening" is not Rey, rather a dark side user from uncharted territory - Luke's sacrifice on Salt-planet was not just to aid the rebelli...resistance escape, but to move his consciousness to an elevated plane where he can influence the cosmic force to counter this new rising evil.

It's why Rey has developed without limit nor reason - with Luke shut off from the force, she has been chosen to embody the force. Why she can match/defeat Kylo (she has god mode enabled), and why Luke believes he had to die (his very existence diluting the force power in Rey).

And now for the 'amazing' (cliche) twist ending....Power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.

Rey will be seemingly defeated by this new evil, Kylo defends her at the last minute and combined with Astral Luke they will defeat/destroy the ultimate enemy. Luke's journey now complete, he has his heartfelt goodbye, fading (ala Yoda) with Rey and Kylo facing him, only for the final shot of the film to be from his point of view, Kylo with Rey offset behind, fading to darkness. As the screen goes dark, the sound of a lightsaber igniting, then thrust towards the camera - highlighting Kylo's face as it punctures through his chest from behind.....The Emperor cackles.

So free will is no longer part of the galaxy; it’s fate divined by the Force?

 

[JackOutback]

One of the complaints about the Last Jedi is that it seemed most of the First Order fleet was destroyed as well, leaving few people to fight in Episode IX. But what if that was the point, to move past the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in the same way it tried to move past the old Jedi/Sith dynamic. It would certainly be in keeping with RJ’s themes of moving past old tropes and setting things up for the future. Perhaps Episode IX was meant to be a personal battle between Rey and Kylo for the future.

This is why I hope JJ advances the ideas in VIII and doesn’t try to go backwards just to please some hardcore fans. It would be kneecapping future stories.

 

[exe ex machina]

One of the complaints about the Last Jedi is that it seemed most of the First Order fleet was destroyed as well, leaving few people to fight in Episode IX. But what if that was the point, to move past the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in the same way it tried to move past the old Jedi/Sith dynamic. It would certainly be in keeping with RJ’s themes of moving past old tropes and setting things up for the future. Perhaps Episode IX was meant to be a personal battle between Rey and Kylo for the future.

This is why I hope JJ advances the ideas in VIII and doesn’t try to go backwards just to please some hardcore fans. It would be kneecapping future stories.

There are no future stories tho in this era of SW

 

[JackOutback]

There are no future stories tho in this era of SW

There will be, which RJ understood.

 

[exe ex machina]

There will be, which RJ understood.

Not Skywalker era that's ending at IX. That era ends the whole Jedi Sith empire window. Future trilogy will be different apparently

 

[edgie]

One of the complaints about the Last Jedi is that it seemed most of the First Order fleet was destroyed as well, leaving few people to fight in Episode IX. But what if that was the point, to move past the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in the same way it tried to move past the old Jedi/Sith dynamic. It would certainly be in keeping with RJ’s themes of moving past old tropes and setting things up for the future. Perhaps Episode IX was meant to be a personal battle between Rey and Kylo for the future.

This is why I hope JJ advances the ideas in VIII and doesn’t try to go backwards just to please some hardcore fans. It would be kneecapping future stories.

If that was the idea...

THEN WHY DID THE MOVIE THROW IT IN THE BIN WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED IN EXACTLY THOSE TERMS?

Oh yeah. Subversion.

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[FlowersByIrene]

One of the complaints about the Last Jedi is that it seemed most of the First Order fleet was destroyed as well, leaving few people to fight in Episode IX. But what if that was the point, to move past the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in the same way it tried to move past the old Jedi/Sith dynamic. It would certainly be in keeping with RJ’s themes of moving past old tropes and setting things up for the future. Perhaps Episode IX was meant to be a personal battle between Rey and Kylo for the future.

This is why I hope JJ advances the ideas in VIII and doesn’t try to go backwards just to please some hardcore fans. It would be kneecapping future stories.

I wouldn't be opposed to a more limited/personal conflict, but the First Order didn't look too damaged when it was marching on the Rebel Base at the end of VIII.

There does need to be some level of balance/competition between the Rebels and the First Order though, it would be an out-op-place change of pace if the final movie transitioned into some sort of guerilla warfare style thing with the Rebels acting covertly and on a small scale. It would go against traditional build-up having larger battles at the start of the trilogy and diwingling down to guerilla stuff at the end. Would feel like a bit of a let down. Not that there is anything wrong wit Guerilla style portrayal, just the way the trilogy was initial built it would feel out of place.

 

[SM]

Each of VII/VIII/IX are feeling like their own beginning to a trilogy, not a cohesive trilogy.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Each of VII/VIII/IX are feeling like their own beginning to a trilogy, not a cohesive trilogy.

I think that's more just because Episode VIII was terrible and RJ is a moron

 

[mike123]

I think that's more just because Episode VIII was terrible and RJ is a moron

JJ isn’t much better

 

[SM]

I think that's more just because Episode VIII was terrible and RJ is a moron

IX isn't sounding too different from all reports.

Every one of them has been "Ok well we start fresh and here's the new take..."

They're more standalone than the standalone films have been so far (R1 tying so tightly into IV and Solo referencing the shit out of everything).

 

[Hawk88]

Looking forward to the new Marvel movies (IF2 especially) then this tbh

Says a lot really where these movies have ended up

What a shame

 

[glenferry23]

Doesn’t really matter how many ships TFO have available at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s not like they do anything anyway.

RJ made TFO into utter morons, then wants to make the audience believe these idiots control the galaxy. Laughable.

 

[mike123]

One of the complaints about the Last Jedi is that it seemed most of the First Order fleet was destroyed as well, leaving few people to fight in Episode IX. But what if that was the point, to move past the old Empire/Rebellion dynamic in the same way it tried to move past the old Jedi/Sith dynamic. It would certainly be in keeping with RJ’s themes of moving past old tropes and setting things up for the future. Perhaps Episode IX was meant to be a personal battle between Rey and Kylo for the future.

This is why I hope JJ advances the ideas in VIII and doesn’t try to go backwards just to please some hardcore fans. It would be kneecapping future stories.

If RJ wanted to move past the rebel v empire trope he shouldn’t have started out the time with rebels v empire.

 

[Seeds]

Star wars is done. They cant fix it from here after the disasters of the first two movies. I dont know why you are wasting so much time talking about it.

 

[JackOutback]

If RJ wanted to move past the rebel v empire trope he shouldn’t have started out the time with rebels v empire.

It was JJ that reverted to Empire (FO) vs Rebels (Resistance). TLJ gives him a way out of that but it is up to JJ now to run with it. I would like to see the saga end with no more Jedi and Sith, just Force users, and no Empire or Alluance, just a universe where worlds make their own way. The possibilities from there are just endless. That’s where I think RJ was going but isn’t going to spoil Episode IX if he wants to work with them again.

IX isn't sounding too different from all reports.

Every one of them has been "Ok well we start fresh and here's the new take..."

They're more standalone than the standalone films have been so far (R1 tying so tightly into IV and Solo referencing the shit out of everything).

I’ve said this before though. People put a lot of stock in these reports even though Lucasfilm runs a tight ship and the reports are invariably wrong.

 

[edgie]

In what world did TLJ give him a way out? It dialled the Empire vs Rebels up to 11?

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