Coach Fremantle: where to now after Lyon?

[Doashuey]

I hate to Generalize....

There was this thread that started in mid 2015. I could tell this was a Ross Lyon bashing post.

It was about this mumbo jumbo thing of to win a Premiership, you have to average 100 points a game and concede no more than 86. Which to me was Bull****.

Allow you to tell you the last few teams.

the 2016 premiership team of the Bulldogs scored 84 points a game conceded 72 points a game in the regular season.

Richmond won the 2017 flag. During the regular season, they were averaging 90.5 points a game, conceding 76.5 points a game. Didn't prevent The tigers scoring 100 points in both the prelim and Grand final.

Then you have west coast.....Actually, lets post both 2018 GF sides in Eagles and Collingwood.

Collingwood were scoring an average of 93 points a game, conceding 77.22 points a game.
West Coast were scoring an average of 91.45 points a game, conceding 75.31 points a game.

Yet in the 2018 GF, both sides kicked 11 goals each. Yeah a typical High scoring game.

I remember to >100pt attack and <90 defence being bandied about in 2015 (I wasnt on BF then- mainstream media). It probably has merit in that the statistics showed a high likelihood of a flag for teams achieving these targets. However that wasnt my point. You still have a much better chance at a flag if you have the ability to score well and Ross Lyon teams dont do that well. You now have the cattle to put a score on the board in the forward line if you can keep Mundy and Fyfe fit and get some help from Hill and/or Walters through the middle but that will depend on if Lyon can implement a game plan that allows it.

Freo, if they keep a fit list, can push for finals at their best but realistically the list has too many holes and not enough depth to expect this to be a reasonable KPI. The point I was making is that for Freo to have confidence that Lyon is still the guy to help build this list into a contending list in the coming years, he will need to demonstrate some more diverse game plans that move beyond just defensive strategies and have a few back up plans for when things arent working. I think this is what they will look at this year in making their determination rather than a simple win loss ratio.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Extremely confident North beats Freo r1

I'm glad you are, because I'm not.

 

[dzussy]

Wow, amazing insight.

And people say Sydney fans have no idea about footy...

He was just voicing an opinion ya smart arse flog.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Wow, amazing insight.

And people say Sydney fans have no idea about footy...

Has anybody been more consistently wrong than you on this site outside of maybe Adz?
Like, it seemed having terrible takes was almost part of your identity.

 

[Freomaniac]

I agree you don't have to average 100 points.

Going by those stat's then you need to have a percentage of at least 116 to be able to win a GF.

On average, there are 5 teams at the end of the H&A that have around that 116 or better since 2013. Prior to that some of the years' percentages were skewed because of the two new teams coming in.

Well at least I convinced someone that you don't need to average 100 points a game to win a flag. Your team can average 94 points a game or 14.10.94 or 13.16.94 a game. You are more than likely to score 100 points a game in at least half of your 22 games in the season. You are going to have the occasional game where you have a bad game and kick 6-8 goals.

Amazing to think that the swans 2005 and 2006 GF sides were low scoring. in 2005 they averaged 89 points for and 76 points against. in 2006 it was 95 points for and 74 points against.

I remember to >100pt attack and <90 defence being bandied about in 2015 (I wasnt on BF then- mainstream media). It probably has merit in that the statistics showed a high likelihood of a flag for teams achieving these targets. However that wasnt my point. You still have a much better chance at a flag if you have the ability to score well and Ross Lyon teams dont do that well. You now have the cattle to put a score on the board in the forward line if you can keep Mundy and Fyfe fit and get some help from Hill and/or Walters through the middle but that will depend on if Lyon can implement a game plan that allows it.

Freo, if they keep a fit list, can push for finals at their best but realistically the list has too many holes and not enough depth to expect this to be a reasonable KPI. The point I was making is that for Freo to have confidence that Lyon is still the guy to help build this list into a contending list in the coming years, he will need to demonstrate some more diverse game plans that move beyond just defensive strategies and have a few back up plans for when things arent working. I think this is what they will look at this year in making their determination rather than a simple win loss ratio.

1st off Ross Lyons saints 2009 side scored 2197 concede 1411. So just under 100 points for, 64 against. So... yeah, that was an attacking side.

Saints in 2010 was averaging 88 points a game conceding 72. This was Partly due to Nick Riewoldt missing most of the season with injury.

Freo in 2013 was scoring at exactly 92.5 points a game, conceding exactly 69 points a game.

All 3 Ross lyon GF sides have one thing in common, they stuffed up on their set shots. Freos 1st half in the 2013 GF is proof of that.

I knew freo cut too deep at the end of 2016. Could of kept an experienced depth player or 2. But once the dropped happened, the kids had to be played.

Neale leaving hurts, but it made up of getting Hogan/Lobb. Fair break even trade. Freo needed a tall forward. I was glad just getting Lobb. Hogan was the one I didn't expect to come home as he turned us down previously.

 

[Lach72]

I'm glad you are, because I'm not.

We have half a squad to pick from currently. We're ****ed

 

[Balls In]

Freo are well drilled, well balanced and have a belief instilled through all levels of their club. Might even surpass last years ladder position.

 

[Adz]

6 wins for mine this year. Ross to join about 3 others getting sacked.

 

[Freomaniac]

Freo are well drilled, well balanced and have a belief instilled through all levels of their club. Might even surpass last years ladder position.

sarcastic post

 

[Nolo180]

We have half a squad to pick from currently. We're ******

Yep were rooted. I had us between 8-10 wins this year but I have downgraded my expectations and reckon we r about 6-8 at best now. Our S + C team needs the sack ASAP. Too have so many TBA's just highlights how useless they r...
With Fyfe & Sandi playing no JLT games doesnt help our chances RD 1 either. We have a relatively soft start with a home game against the roos minus Thompson and an underdone tarrant but after seeing us perform in the JLT all confidence is now gone.

 

[AFDogs]

Yep were rooted. I had us between 8-10 wins this year but I have downgraded my expectations and reckon we r about 6-8 at best now. Our S + C team needs the sack ASAP. Too have so many TBA's just highlights how useless they r...
With Fyfe & Sandi playing no JLT games doesnt help our chances RD 1 either. We have a relatively soft start with a home game against the roos minus Thompson and an underdone tarrant but after seeing us perform in the JLT all confidence is now gone.
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Yikes. A lot of good players on that injury list. Not good.

 

[Peel67skin]

Even with the players we picked up in the off season, any side that lets their opposition kick 23 unanswered goals in its final rounds of the season has serious problems. Too little has been made of how embarrassing that game was - any club with more serious expectations on it would have seen heads roll. Instead the response was as tepid as what you'd expect from Gold Coast: no one cares and no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Bottom three.

Geez what happen if Fremantle accidentally lost to GC at Metricon Stadium.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Yep were rooted. I had us between 8-10 wins this year but I have downgraded my expectations and reckon we r about 6-8 at best now. Our S + C team needs the sack ASAP. Too have so many TBA's just highlights how useless they r...
With Fyfe & Sandi playing no JLT games doesnt help our chances RD 1 either. We have a relatively soft start with a home game against the roos minus Thompson and an underdone tarrant but after seeing us perform in the JLT all confidence is now gone.
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Thought Sandilands had retired as I haven't seen him on TV for ages.

 

[Quokka]

Geez what happen if Fremantle accidentally lost to GC at Metricon Stadium.

Gold Coast will get 4 points.

 

[Peel67skin]

Gold Coast will get 4 points.

No and then or melt ?

 

[Silent Alarm]

Unfortunately Ross Lyon is really good at making excuses.

He's still hammering on about how we're a rebuilding side, he mentions injuries a lot, and this pre-season he was even bitching about six-day breaks.

Which is a joke because for so long, one of his oft-clichés was 'we're a no excuses football club.' Luckily most football fans are generally idiots because, otherwise, everyone would be going 'uhh but Ross, you don't like excuses. That sounds a lot like an excuse.'

In a way, I hope we lose our first four games because they're our 'definite wins' according to most. That way, we could have some internal meetings and some heads would continue to roll – the medical team, the assistant coaches, and the senior coach. But if we get flogged, Ross will tumble it into a positive – we debuted a player or two, got games into our second year players, give Hogan and Lobb some time – and our board will continue to gawp and awe and go yes Ross yes okay, sounds good Ross and he'll stay on.

 

[Bostonian]

Geez what happen if Fremantle accidentally lost to GC at Metricon Stadium.

How do you accidentally lose?

Lose your sense of direction 88 times and kick 88 rushed behinds?

 

[woosha24]

How do you accidentally lose?

Like this.

 

[Peel67skin]

How do you accidentally lose?

Lose your sense of direction 88 times and kick 88 rushed behinds?

Or play like Sydney (2018 season ) .Lynch did not play in that game too.

 

[Peel67skin]

Unfortunately Ross Lyon is really good at making excuses.

He's still hammering on about how we're a rebuilding side, he mentions injuries a lot, and this pre-season he was even bitching about six-day breaks.

Which is a joke because for so long, one of his oft-clichés was 'we're a no excuses football club.' Luckily most football fans are generally idiots because, otherwise, everyone would be going 'uhh but Ross, you don't like excuses. That sounds a lot like an excuse.'

In a way, I hope we lose our first four games because they're our 'definite wins' according to most. That way, we could have some internal meetings and some heads would continue to roll – the medical team, the assistant coaches, and the senior coach. But if we get flogged, Ross will tumble it into a positive – we debuted a player or two, got games into our second year players, give Hogan and Lobb some time – and our board will continue to gawp and awe and go yes Ross yes okay, sounds good Ross and he'll stay on.

To be fair , the excuses could be GCS have more first round pick .

 

[Macca81]

The best thing freo has done since drafting Fyfe is appoint Peter Bell. The next thing they need to do is sack Lyon and get a fresh start. Would be a disaster if they get just enough wins to justify Ross for 2020.

 

[Silent Alarm]

The best thing freo has done since drafting Fyfe is appoint Peter Bell. The next thing they need to do is sack Lyon and get a fresh start. Would be a disaster if they get just enough wins to justify Ross for 2020.

Apparently one of the reasons that Tim Kelly is open to Freo now is the fact Belly's got a bit to do with things. Says a bit about him, but it probably says some bad shit about how little he respected/respects the current admin and coaches.

 

[Run n Spread]

Always liked Rossco. But at least 3 years out of date. Freo are totally screwed Gold Coast style till they pull the rip cord.

 

[StCicatriz]

Always liked Rossco. But at least 3 years out of date. Freo are totally screwed Gold Coast style till they pull the rip cord.

3 years?

He's still running with Leigh Tudors game plan given to him in the 07 post season...

 

[random260]

Man Fremantle do like to takes gambles don't they.

Sylvia, Brad Hill, Jesse Hogan, Bennell, Cameron Mccarthy


Next up might be Tim Kelly he might turn up like Bennell.

I reckon Fremantle should play it easy and recruit people that have no issues.

But they got a pick in Conca who would have thought he would be a star in the darkest time. If i was Fremantle, I'd also get Mark Hutchings to help with their culture.

But I think Fremantle need an overhaul and rebuild of culture from Ross Lyon down