Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 7 - Trump takes full responsibility.

[Del191229]

Even if Trump’s campaign didn’t directly work with the Russians, the Russians sought to influence the election with the aim of having Trump win?

Why did they want Trump to win?

Because if he won, Hilary wouldn't.

The whole aim of the Russian operation was to:

a) Delegitimise the American system

b) Delegitimise Clinton is she got in

c) Maybe hopefully stop Clinton getting in.

 

[WA ROO]

Indeed, rightwing memesters like Brenton Tarrant really take the cake hey.

Nice of you to take timeout from throwing Mueller under the bus to quote me

 

[Del191229]

Nice of you to take timeout from throwing Mueller under the bus to quote me

Throwing Mueller under the bus?

I'm just amazed that the bloke you were hyped up as an ANGRY DEMOCRAT is now the fount of wisdom given he's released a report that doesn't put your bloke in the shit.

Funny how the Trumpies are all #TeamMueller now.

Meanwhile, Putin has opened a new power station in Crimea and is pissing himself.

 

[shniko11]

Indeed, rightwing memesters like Brenton Tarrant really take the cake hey.

Did WA Roo kill your cat or something or are you in the wrong thread.

 

[Downhill Skier]

You seem confused, let me help: A not guilty verdict does not mean innocent, it means not guilty. OJ was not guilty, for example.

I'm not arguing Trump is innocent or guilty, just pointing out that there is a point in between "exonerate" and "unable to establish guilt".

There is a huge difference and the fact Mueller cannot even recommend charges be laid suggests that the actual outcome is much closer to exonerate than not able to establish guilt wouldn't you say.

 

[Del191229]

Did WA Roo kill your cat or something or are you in the wrong thread.

He turncoated on North. For a start.

 

[Saint Shags]

Don't try and pretend it was about RUSSIA,RUSSIA,RUSSIA for you

The person you call a moron has been exonerated by the man you have championed as the person that would end the Trump presidency

Time to admit you were wrong

No where in the summary does it say exonerated. At least use your comprehension skills.
The media have been quick to say it has. The fact is that Mueller doesn't have enough evidence to support going after an indictment. However, he is unable in his professional view unwilling to exonerate.
Totally different.

 

[WA ROO]

Throwing Mueller under the bus?

I'm just amazed that the bloke you were hyped up as an ANGRY DEMOCRAT is now the fount of wisdom given he's released a report that doesn't put your bloke in the shit.

The same person you lost your shit over when I compared the witch hunt to the STASI

Remember??

Funny how the Trumpies are all #TeamMueller now.

Wrong
More laughing at how the witch hunt failed

Mueller is still a POS now he is a failure as well

 

[Downhill Skier]

No where in the summary does it say exonerated. At least use your comprehension skills.
The media have been quick to say it has. The fact is that Mueller doesn't have enough evidence to support going after an indictment. However, he is unable in his professional view unwilling to exonerate.
Totally different.

Does not have enough evidence to show a crime was even committed. He does not need to exonerate him

Totally Different

 

[WA ROO]

He turncoated on North. For a start.

I left a club that has no resemblance to the club I supported for over 40 years

 

[Saint Shags]

That line is laughable. The first half of the sentence completely contradicts the second half but I think you already know that. How can you be exonerated for a crime there is not enough evidence to prove actually occurred in the first place.


The fact there is no proof a crime actually occurred indeed does exonerate him.

There can be proof that a crime was committed but not able to pass the beyond reasonable doubt. Prosecutions around the world have cases that never go to court based on this.
Also when dealing with criminal law it is either guilty or not guilty. So even not guilty verdicts do not mean innocent - see Jayden Leskie case.

 

[Substance]

There is a huge difference and the fact Mueller cannot even recommend charges be laid suggests that the actual outcome is much closer to exonerate than not able to establish guilt wouldn't you say.

I can't say until I see the report. But if you want me to act like a juror, and make a verdict now?, then I vote not guilty.

 

[Seeds]

You have to consider some of the intel was obtained from informers or undercover agents.

What intel? If trump didnt do anything there is no intel. There is only intel if he did do something.

 

[GuruJane]

#Kodachromecolour #Trump ftw #Bollywood

Cat. That is simply the best video. The best. Captures the Trump appeal exactly. Good timing.

 

[EasternTiger]

Do we think Trump and Mueller might secretly join forces one day to get one over on the Russians?

I got the idea after I watched the latest episode of Billions.

 

[Downhill Skier]

There can be proof that a crime was committed but not able to pass the beyond reasonable doubt. Prosecutions around the world have cases that never go to court based on this.
Also when dealing with criminal law it is either guilty or not guilty. So even not guilty verdicts do not mean innocent - see Jayden Leskie case.

This was a report from an investigation, he was not trying to establish guilt , he was trying to establish if a crime had been committed . If he believed a crime had been committed there is no way it would have been left out of his conclusions whether he believed it was proof beyond reasonable doubt or not .

I don't get why people are so hung up on it. There would have already been leaks if there were any mistruths stated in Barr's statement.

 

[Satan]

Because if he won, Hilary wouldn't.

The whole aim of the Russian operation was to:

a) Delegitimise the American system

b) Delegitimise Clinton is she got in

c) Maybe hopefully stop Clinton getting in.

D ) have a useful idiot in power

 

[Del191229]

I left a club that has no resemblance to the club I supported for over 40 years

Turncoat dog.

 

[Del191229]

The same person you lost your shit over when I compared the witch hunt to the STASI

Remember??

Wrong
More laughing at how the witch hunt failed

Mueller is still a POS now he is a failure as well

Wow, you're off the deep end.

 

[yebiga]

From its very beginning, the fledgling north American colonies were captivated by evangelists and confidence men, and that same tradition remains strong. When you combine the power of the modern media with a shrewd confidence man like Trump, the certain populace can be made to ardently believe any fantasy you can imagine. So even though, Trump, used more drones, killed more civillians and promised to 'drain the swamp'. More than even Bush Junior, Trump is a good guy. He doesn't really want all these drones. He is is such a trustworthy guy he can't even say "White Supremacist." He occasionally says the right things at the right times, the media just won't show you or give him a fair go. It's not so easy. Come-on! You know his a nice guy.

lol. I don't rate Obama particularly high but the idea Trump is somehow something different is laughable. Shrewd maybe, and defintely a fighter and survivor - most con men are. This 'man of the people' notion is simultaneously one one of the dumbest, funniest and saddest things I've ever heard.

To effectively plagiarise my post and swap trump for Obama
You need another 4 countries destroyed and about 8 million new refugees flooding into Europe

 

[darrenmorgan]

Cat. That is simply the best video. The best. Captures the Trump appeal exactly. Good timing.

“The Trump Appeal”? Can you imagine that fat old fool being able to even break into a semi stride?

 

[WA ROO]

Turncoat dog.

That's the SLF I remember
Misplaced excrement everywhere

 

[EasternTiger]

What intel? If trump didnt do anything there is no intel. There is only intel if he did do something.

I'll give you a hypothetical.

Let us say a cia agent has infiltrated russian intelligence.

Mueller finds out about this agent and emails him:

- Oh hai FBi here. Did Trumpy collude with them russkis?

- Re: Oh hai FBi here. Did Trumpy collude with them russkis.

**** off dickhead you are going to get me killed.

If that exchange is in the report, then the agents life is in danger and also the operation he's on may be compromised, even though there is no actual intel that Trump has done anything...

 

[Saint Shags]

This was a report from an investigation, he was not trying to establish guilt , he was trying to establish if a crime had been committed . If he believed a crime had been committed there is no way it would have been left out of his conclusions whether he believed it was proof beyond reasonable doubt or not .

I don't get why people are so hung up on it. There would have already been leaks if there were any mistruths stated in Barr's statement.

Like all the leaks that Muellers team has done over the past 2 years?

It would seem that if Mueller was satisfied that no crime was committed he would have in his own words exonerated the President. The fact that he is quoted as saying he could not exonerate says there is circumstantial evidence to the contrary but not strong enough to be upheld in a court of law.
Whether we see the report will be interesting. I would have thought that even a redacted version would go a long way to change the perception of Trump.

 

[Royces Hart]

Mueller is still a POS now he is a failure as well

If he was a dodgy piece of shit determined to bring down Trump like you believe, he would have fabricated some shit.

If he is legit and was working in good faith to determine whether there was collusion and found none, then returning these finding does not make him a failure.

So on what basis is he a failure?