Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 7 - Trump takes full responsibility.
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Pretty good skill if it can win you the White House.
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I didn't vote for him.
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And miss all this.
Other than the Russian bots not many on here can vote in the usa
Absolutely - the less interventionist comment is just regarding not involving the US in any further overt conflicts, but as I said to yebiga, you need to balance that with the obvious counter points.
Cool, seems like we agree your previous post lamenting what the democrats are not investigating was nonsense.
Can't recall ever seeing too many posts from Maggie5 here that haven't come straight from Dem daily talking points.
Had my share of TDS during campaign ... cured after election by mega doses of ECT administered while watching CNN ...
Perhaps address the points I make and read the dossier instead of playing games?
rhetoric - you are aware that you can voice the inverted, where the true implication, you were implying the opposite, and doing a parody. hence, did you read my qualifier on machine(technological) translation not being able to truly recognise and translate these words. (you sir jack daniels have FAILED the Turing test)
go to Macquarie dictionary and search pleonasm you nuffie.
https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/
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There we go again - straight from Dem talking points.
Are we talking about the dossier that everything is predicated on
FISA
Mueller
House Intelligence Committee
2 years of MSM lies
2 years of DNC lying
Without the crock of s**t dossier none of that happens
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Just in this thread alone (part 7) - 4 pages where the dossier has been discussed. 72 posts of which 19 are yours.
On Russia, Trump Acted Innocent
Nevertrumper Rich Lowery - insightful piece:
The prudent thing for Trump to do once the Mueller probe got going would have been to cooperate without complaint and bide his time awaiting his eventual vindication. Instead, Trump fought like a caged animal (while actually cooperating with the probe).
Trump is a creature of the media and cares a lot about what is said of him. So imagine him sitting in the White House and watching the media constantly suggest that a smoking-gun Russia-collusion revelation is just over the horizon, that the walls are closing in, that he might be guilty of one of the worst political crimes committed in the history of the republic — and all the while knowing that it wasn’t true.
It’s very easy to be relaxed about someone else’s reputation. We saw this during the Kavanaugh controversy when progressives were outraged that Brett Kavanaugh got emotional about being falsely accused of gang rape. Trump, apparently, was supposed to be cool and nonplussed about being accused of treason.
Of course, he wasn’t, and got caught in an endless feedback loop with the press. He’d be presumed guilty in the coverage, he’d lash out, and then commentators would take his reaction as further evidence he was guilty. For two long years.
As recently as a couple of weekends ago, an epic Trump tweet-storm was taken as a sign that he was completely panicked over the impending Mueller report.
It didn’t occur to anyone that he might be acting out of a sense of aggrieved (although often self-defeating) innocence. This is what got the Mueller probe rolling in the first place. Trump fired James Comey because the FBI director refused to state publicly what he told Trump privately — that the president himself wasn’t under investigation.
The fallback position of Democrats now is that they can get Trump for obstruction for all his impure thoughts about a probe that reached its conclusion unimpeded, and that found no underlying Russian collusion to cover up.
Rich LowryThis was Watergate without the break-in and the Lewinsky affair without, well, the Lewinsky affair.
You don’t have to endorse Trump’s attacks on the integrity of Robert Mueller, his mockery of his former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, or his distorted view of the Justice Department to find the dynamic here unsettling. Trump was basically told that he’d be investigated and smeared for years over Russia collusion that didn’t happen, and if he objected and wanted to make it stop, they’d investigate him for that, too.
The ultimate weapon he had was, funnily enough, the truth. As he said again and again, there was no Russia collusion. Every time he repeated the phrase, the press rolled its eyes and opined about how it showed an untoward defensiveness. Then it dug into another news cycle devoted to Trump’s impending doom.
A news industry that should have a healthy skepticism could never apply any skepticism to its own narrative and assumptions. And so, on the question of Russia collusion that put a cloud over the White House and dominated the past two years of our public life, Donald Trump was a more reliable narrator than the media that so self-righteously scorns him.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/mueller-investigation-report-no-russia-collusion/
Rich Lowry —
Nevertrumper Rich Lowery - insightful piece:
The prudent thing for Trump to do once the Mueller probe got going would have been to cooperate without complaint and bide his time awaiting his eventual vindication. Instead, Trump fought like a caged animal (while actually cooperating with the probe).
Trump is a creature of the media and cares a lot about what is said of him. So imagine him sitting in the White House and watching the media constantly suggest that a smoking-gun Russia-collusion revelation is just over the horizon, that the walls are closing in, that he might be guilty of one of the worst political crimes committed in the history of the republic — and all the while knowing that it wasn’t true.
It’s very easy to be relaxed about someone else’s reputation. We saw this during the Kavanaugh controversy when progressives were outraged that Brett Kavanaugh got emotional about being falsely accused of gang rape. Trump, apparently, was supposed to be cool and nonplussed about being accused of treason.
Of course, he wasn’t, and got caught in an endless feedback loop with the press. He’d be presumed guilty in the coverage, he’d lash out, and then commentators would take his reaction as further evidence he was guilty. For two long years.
As recently as a couple of weekends ago, an epic Trump tweet-storm was taken as a sign that he was completely panicked over the impending Mueller report.
It didn’t occur to anyone that he might be acting out of a sense of aggrieved (although often self-defeating) innocence. This is what got the Mueller probe rolling in the first place. Trump fired James Comey because the FBI director refused to state publicly what he told Trump privately — that the president himself wasn’t under investigation.
The fallback position of Democrats now is that they can get Trump for obstruction for all his impure thoughts about a probe that reached its conclusion unimpeded, and that found no underlying Russian collusion to cover up.
Rich LowryThis was Watergate without the break-in and the Lewinsky affair without, well, the Lewinsky affair.
You don’t have to endorse Trump’s attacks on the integrity of Robert Mueller, his mockery of his former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, or his distorted view of the Justice Department to find the dynamic here unsettling. Trump was basically told that he’d be investigated and smeared for years over Russia collusion that didn’t happen, and if he objected and wanted to make it stop, they’d investigate him for that, too.
The ultimate weapon he had was, funnily enough, the truth. As he said again and again, there was no Russia collusion. Every time he repeated the phrase, the press rolled its eyes and opined about how it showed an untoward defensiveness. Then it dug into another news cycle devoted to Trump’s impending doom.
A news industry that should have a healthy skepticism could never apply any skepticism to its own narrative and assumptions. And so, on the question of Russia collusion that put a cloud over the White House and dominated the past two years of our public life, Donald Trump was a more reliable narrator than the media that so self-righteously scorns him.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/mueller-investigation-report-no-russia-collusion/
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Now I've got someone counting up my posts on a topic ... 16 years on this board and that's a first!
Ha, apologies. With some of the s**t that gets rolled out in this thread, can be hard to separate parody from true belief sometimes!
sentient beings, infinitesimal tho in number, praps one in a thousand, and I count you as one of those, pragmatic types, w agency and intelligence, ok, gonna stop pissing in ur pocket, not supposed to do that. But there were only about 2 dozen w a profile and position to have voice, and actually spoke up. most like Greenwald just not given space and re-bookings, they were sidelined, and those who knew better knew they had to NOT speak up, or quieten down, even Democracy Now managed to sideline the protestors, the one chief among the voice oon the dissenters side, Aaron Maté, he was alumnus of DN. One of the domestic(Australia) dissent blocked me from his Facebook, cos I had the temerity to launch into a villification critique of the local media(I really meant ABC/SBS) as stenographers and mouthpieces of the establishment. Heck, about nine months ago, when one was in a pique of frustration I went to google to find Guy Rundle and Robert Manne, and guess what, I could not find succour, they were full on #RussiaSCARE mode. The West really lost its $hit. Moral Scares, Sex Scare, Weinstein and Trump. Stuff the marathon gains of liberalism in the last few centuries. Hekc, Chas Licciardello and John Barron at Planet America were lickspittle in the drawers of the DNC they may well have shot Seth Rich in the back themselves.
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ceterisparibus none valid (except Trump/HRC/Bernie. All as valid problem, but they lie as problem independent in epoch. You know that when someone starts with the justification, and this is how SEN run 99% of their campaigns: "In 2019, this concern about harassment of Luke Ball and gay footballers is unacceptable". temporal fallacy, this stood as wrong three decades ago, and before then, for a century, it was illiberal, and wrong. One cannot legislate good behaviour, whatever the definition of good is.
Massive stretch there.
Likely wouldn't even have been a SC investigation if Trump hadn't fired Comey.
FISA happened in the middle of 2016
Comey was integral in the dossier going public
It all goes back to the dossier and the loser of the election's vivid imagination
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