Autopsy Hawks fall in a heap against the Dogs - Rd 2, 2019

[Birdofprey]

I havent seen the presser footage, but Clarko comments on club twitter (summary) seem to be right on. If I am interpreting correctly, he didnt think we deserved to win and were lucky to be in the game... (apologies if someone else has posted this point already).

I guess he is handling it better than I am...

 

[Endorphin Machine]

Here's all I'll say...

We've been told countless times that the AFL was going to rule out punches. Which is fair enough, don't think that I'm arguing against that. But those two decisions - you know which ones I'm talking about - have blatantly shown two umpiring decisions influencing and ruining a game of football.

Those two freekicks were literally (in my eyes, happy to be proven wrong) forceful open-palm pushes to the chest. Which have been natural course of the 'push & shove' aspect of the game for more than 150 years. To pay two free kicks against this action shows a complete lack of understanding of the game.

Again, if they want to outlaw punches then go for it, but don't over step the mark by creating a culture whereby if an opponent is in your face then all you can do is stand there and cop it without pushing them back.

Just to ask, we’re the umpires as strict on the push and shove in the other games this weekend ?

 

[markzak]

I have never been one to blame the umpires until today. Twiggy touch wood decisions all day. Sadly one way

 

[Hawthorn United]

Ignoring all the umpiring, that would never happen with the old rules as we would put a spare player down back.

Now they’ll be more occurrences like today with sides coming home strong with momentum.


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[Bumps"N"Grins]

Already forgotten the 2001 prelim?

Darren Goldspink for the youngsters

 

[LuckyHawk]

But make sure there is consistency in the ruling of it. Not once did I see a Bulldogs player penalised for it despite it occurring throughout the game.

Consistency with umpiring is like Razor Ray suppressing his ego, it's never gonna happen.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

I don’t think I have ever watched a game of AFL so heavily influenced by the umpires. I was furious enough at half time when the free kick count was 4-13.
The umpiring assistance for the Dogs diminished in the 3rd quarter and they were left floundering. Enter the 4th quarter and the muppets couldn’t hold back any further

I am done for another season. I am not going to attend this bullshit anymore. It is too rigged

 

[WWSD]

IN: Wingard, Howe, Jones

OUT: Burgoyne, Shiels, Nash

 

[MadDawg]

An umpire should use discretion on this, surely. "Move out of the circle please player."

Spot on.

I'm pretty sure that's the reason why I have seen it called before and most the commentators had no idea what it was either.

 

[wizzard400]

Just to ask, we’re the umpires as strict on the push and shove in the other games this weekend ?

I haven't been able to watch much footy this weekend due to work commitments but I did see a free kick paid in the Sydney-Adelaide game where Zak Jones was penalised for a kind of belly-slap.

Maybe someone else who watched a few more games can elaborate.

Like I've said in a few other posts, if they want to defend this rule then fine, thats their prerogative. But make sure there's consistency. If Sicily is penalised for that then why are Bulldogs players not also penalised for the numerous open-palmed pushes to the chest they did not only before that free kick, but throughout the game.

 

[TheFourPillars]

There is no afl conspiracy losing silk and shiels was more damaging given our current shallow midfield depth

 

[Harper_Hawk]

Umpires or not. The signs were there in the JLT game against Richmond. We also capitulated. 40 points up and also got run over. We are lacking some on field leadership. Sure we had Burgoyne and Shiels on the bench. But to conceed 9 goals in 14mins of football is not acceptable without a reply of a goal. Responsibility of a loss like this rests on the shoulders of Clarkson/Stratton and our other leaders Roughead and those with experience to stem the flow. Isaac Smith is a real lair that needs to pull his head in with asking for that football and almost missing everything. He should have gone up to cousins and said mate take a deep breath and you will be right. I shake my head at this Hawtjorn team and their leadership on field. Even if the umpires were terrible we were no better in the dying minutes of the game.

 

[MinerBoy]

Wingard surely has to come in for Nash. 8 disposals and 0 goals isn’t going to help if that’s the output he displays. He’s needs to develop in the VFL first before he’s considered best 22 material.

Nash isn't a footballer. The place to try and turn him in to one isn't an AFL game.

 

[SSSSSS]

There is no afl conspiracy losing silk and shiels was more damaging given our current shallow midfield depth

I wish we could call our midfield depth shallow. In actuality it's non-existent.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Good thing Grumbleguts had to take his wife somewhere as the game day thread and autopsy would have seen him blow a gasket.

 

[Slow Love]

There is no afl conspiracy losing silk and shiels was more damaging given our current shallow midfield depth

Also, if you genuinely believe there's a conspiracy on the part of the AFL and umpires to ensure Hawthorn are unfairly penalised because it conflicts with the "narrative", there is absolutely no point in watching or following the game

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I havent seen the presser footage, but Clarko comments on club twitter (summary) seem to be right on. If I am interpreting correctly, he didnt think we deserved to win and were lucky to be in the game... (apologies if someone else has posted this point already).

I guess he is handling it better than I am...

He used to comment on the umpires, but the media would spin it to make it appear he was a sore loser. He learned it's easier to grin and bare it

 

[OnceKicked50]

What a bizarre ****ing game. We thought we could show up for a quarter and a half and get it done.

The last quarter was a disgrace in so many ways, umpiring and incredible poor decision making from our leaders:

1. Puopolo selfishly, unusual, decides to try and kick a miraculous goal to start the quarter as opposed to looking for a target.

2. O'Meara? reverses a shot on goal for Roughead. Dogs kick a goal.

3. Smith calls for a ball from Cousins, who had kicked an identical goal in the 3rd, misses.

4. O'Meara rushes a kick directly from the Smith miss kick-in, had time, should have slotted it. You feel either this or Smith kicks straight and it kills the contest.

5. Scully doesn't handball to Smith running clear on his left, would have kicked from inside 50 on the run.

6. O'Meara soccers ball one meter from boundary. Out on full. Dogs go down and score.

7. Extra number in centre square. Goal dogs.

8. Worst umpiring decision in recent memory.

 

[lethalselbow]

A big warm snuggly hug to all those fair weathered supporters threatening to never watch the game again. Wonder how your posts were last week?

 

[MitchHomieQuan]

I feel heartbreak, and then I think about potentially getting to see Wingard run out for us next week and it eases it a little.

 

[atlas1]

Those absolutely incompetent scumsucking maggots were on from the start. Getting pinged for minor shit, getting called to play on despite going straight back off the mark, hendo's kick was deliberate but theirs wasn't, the petty overturning of free kicks due to the soft as shit open hand strikes. It's happened before and will happen again (to other teams as well).

I thought we had done enough to overcome these clowns despite being two men down. But they had to rise to the occassion and put themselves first rather than calling the game with some common sense.

 

[A Cut Above]

The AFL couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone an umpiring conspiracy.

That was pure and simple incompetence.

Funny how nobody ever seems to consider a third possibility - umpires using their influence to benefit either themselves or a third party via gambling. We know organized crime syndicates have orchestrated match fixing in other sports and I see no reason why AFL is so special that it should be immune.

The contested & low scoring nature of today's game means umpires have never before wielded greater influence over results. Momentum in modern football is HUGE and it only takes one free kick to swing it. When goals are like gold, a free kick 20m out directly in front is even more momentous.

No, I'm not suggesting our match was fixed. It very very likely wasn't. I'm merely highlighting that anyone who believes such a thing to be impossible is perhaps being naive. I also note umpires have produced some very strange "performances" in the Doggies favor in recent years.

 

[SSSSSS]

Lot of positives from the game.

Lot of negatives too. Some in our control some not.

We will build from this. Smash them next week.

 

[grumbleguts]

Dude, my point stands that even if you magically take those 4 away (which honestly I don't) we gave away 5 goals within 15 minutes. Even if we had won we didn't deserve it, this gives the team a kick up the butt to do better. If we want to win flags you have to learn to stop momentum swings like that.

I haven't read past this post yet, so no doubt others will have said this, but you know there's this thing called momentum right? The umires took that out of hawthorn's hands and gave it to the Throwdogs to play with.

 

[tige19]

Were you there? I was and I thought there was quite a few. Disappointed in the Hawks numbers tbh. Less than 40k first G game of the year...

Yes I was, they where behind the goals and a few rows back, thats it. They made noise in the end because they had a run on, it would have been 32-33k vs 7