Bluemour Discussion Thread XVII - Coniglio means Rabbit in Italian!

[Juddernaut08]

I'd love to see what Teague/Russell could do with Bailey. Am a fan but he's had a poor year.

Kerr as a ready-to-go KPP should hold a bit more value too

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

You don't look a gift horse in the mouth; we even have people questioning father-sons that will probably be taken with late picks. Nothing wrong with depth under the right circumstances, particularly if they end up forcing other players out by way of being better than them, it can only strengthen the side. For a pick in the teens four years ago, of course not! As an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, why not?

I get where your coming from but imo if he we're to be brought into the club and it would be on ok coin, so then where do you play him, our list is already top heavy with talls and he wouldn't want to be traded in to play VFL, even playing him as a utility would make us way more imbalanced than we need to be.

backline - Jones, Weitering, Marchbank, Casboult are our talls
forwards- McKay, Curnow, McGover,n Silvagni, Casboult are our talls

Imo There are types of players of need and players with much better upside we require...

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Nope, there have been murmurings for a while of a split between the playing group and Pyke/Campo.

Angst for Carlton

 

[Catfish blue]

You mean the same club that has paid him below market wages to get his body bashed by three or more defenders every contest for 6 years until we finally managed to draft another tall forward?

The same club that offered him a one year deal with trigger clauses because they thought they had enough young talls to cover every possible scenario?

Loyalty is a two way street, clubs cut players as soon as a potentially better offer comes along. Bit rich to claim a players owes us when we haven’t really backed them in at any stage of their career, while expecting them to play well above where they were drafted.

Agree. Certainly wouldn't begrudge him for leaving.

 

[DamoESP]

EDIT: It's about his fine from the MRP.

Possibly related with a few rumours posted earlier in regards to Daisy not being offered a contract for 2020 (and a few media articles around the place saying he is currently in talks with the club), he posted this image on his Instagram story last night....could it be he has been offered a contract but not getting the money he thinks he deserves? btw I'm just spitballing here, could be totally unrelated to his contract talks.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Posted this in the Bluemour thread but thought might as well pop it in here so we can all wildly speculate.

Possibly related with a few rumours posted earlier in regards to Daisy not being offered a contract for 2020 (and a few media articles around the place saying he is currently in talks with the club), he posted this image on his Instagram story last night....could it be he has been offered a contract but not getting the money he thinks he deserves? btw I'm just spitballing here, could be totally unrelated to his contract talks.

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Copped a heavy fine.

 

[ChrisKaias]

Posted this in the Bluemour thread but thought might as well pop it in here so we can all wildly speculate.

Possibly related with a few rumours posted earlier in regards to Daisy not being offered a contract for 2020 (and a few media articles around the place saying he is currently in talks with the club), he posted this image on his Instagram story last night....could it be he has been offered a contract but not getting the money he thinks he deserves? btw I'm just spitballing here, could be totally unrelated to his contract talks.

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It's about his MRO fine, he posted the same thing last time.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Posted this in the Bluemour thread but thought might as well pop it in here so we can all wildly speculate.

Possibly related with a few rumours posted earlier in regards to Daisy not being offered a contract for 2020 (and a few media articles around the place saying he is currently in talks with the club), he posted this image on his Instagram story last night....could it be he has been offered a contract but not getting the money he thinks he deserves? btw I'm just spitballing here, could be totally unrelated to his contract talks.

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Think it's more likely related to the hefty fine he got for a (not) late hit.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Daisy has definitely earned an extra year and if Simmo wants to half reserves half seniors we should let him.

 

[DamoESP]

Copped a heavy fine.

Of course, totally forgot about that.

My bad, got caught up in the hysteria of the thread!

 

[Matty411]

Daisy has definitely earned an extra year and if Simmo wants to half reserves half seniors we should let him.

Definitely. Players like Simmo - very few - absolutely deserve to go out on their own terms. 300+ gamers and servants of the club over such a long time are few and far between. Even if it goes the way of Roughead at Hawthorn, he'll still retire a champion and legend of the club.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Pick 43 was never going to stop that trade going through when we still had two future 3rds to trade.
I’m glad we went after MM and still very happy we have him (though not on the money he is getting) but in hindsight we probably could’ve done better with those assets.

Trying to track the thought process here.

Is it your belief that we should have passed on McGovern and just traded for Pick 13 from the Swans instead, using the 2 seconds and a future third?

Following that line, here's what I think ends up happening:

That pick ended up landing at 16, used by Adelaide on Ned McHenry.
We'd have likely used it on Stocker, given on draft night we were agressively trying to trade back in so we could pick him up as early as Pick 14 (may have been earlier, but I definitely recall we were on the phone to GWS).
We'd have kept the mature age pre-selection, and quite likely used it on Gibbons.

Difference between what has actually transpired
OUT: McGovern, 2019 Adelaide first rounder, 2019 third rounder
IN: 2019 first rounder

Maybe I'm wrong, but given which players we were interested in, I think the McGovern deal worked out just fine. Lose McGovern and a 2019 third rounder to upgrade from ~10 to ~4 in a weaker draft when we're probably trading that first rounder anyway...? Nah, I'm good.

 

[ferrisb]

Who knows what his ceiling is with the right coach.

If only we had some way of seeing how Casboult could perform with the right coach......

 

[Funk]

I don't get the love for Ellis

“a good average footballer”.

Not worth the $ he’d want. Let him to go GCS - they need him more than we do.

 

[ibleednavyblue]

Thats fine, my point was, we could have got the pick 13 and drafted for need or best available from a strong draft, yet we chose to recruit a medium/tall forward who averages 7 possessions a game and has question marks over commitment and professionalism in a position/area of the ground we have a lot of cover.

so far you are correct. But we are not even one year in. Jones was a bust early on - now look at him. 12 months ago Weitering was a question mark for some. Hell in his first two years McKay wasn’t killing it.

My point - sometimes you need to give it time to assess the trade.

 

[ferrisb]

Waite still got a 3 yr fairly good money deal from north so we should of at least got something and we didn't

Waite used to be one of my favourites; his best football was exhilarating.

But man, did he screw us royally every contract year.....even the one when he signed a contract elsewhere!

 

[Nori]

You mean the same club that has paid him below market wages to get his body bashed by three or more defenders every contest for 6 years until we finally managed to draft another tall forward?

The same club that offered him a one year deal with trigger clauses because they thought they had enough young talls to cover every possible scenario?

Loyalty is a two way street, clubs cut players as soon as a potentially better offer comes along. Bit rich to claim a players owes us when we haven’t really backed them in at any stage of their career, while expecting them to play well above where they were drafted.

Totally agree. Neither Casboult nor the club owe each other anything. It's been a good relationship that's been beneficial to both parties.

I reckon the club will offer Casboult what's fair and Casboult will be happy to stay at a club that he loves. At this stage of his career he'd be unlikely to put money before happiness and success.

 

[Brezsa]

If only we had some way of seeing how Casboult could perform with the right coach......

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One thing that annoys me about the coaches vote is I would love to know how each coach voted.

The Phillips one interests me, was that Teague going, you went above what we where hoping or was it Pyke going, man you stitched up O’Brien, because obviously if you look at the stats Phillips numbers weren’t massive. Just curious, I’d love them to release them by coach

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Definitely. Players like Simmo - very few - absolutely deserve to go out on their own terms. 300+ gamers and servants of the club over such a long time are few and far between. Even if it goes the way of Roughead at Hawthorn, he'll still retire a champion and legend of the club.

Anyone who plays 300+ games should not have their moula in the cap.

 

[ferrisb]

One thing that annoys me about the coaches vote is I would love to know how each coach voted.

The Phillips one interests me, was that Teague going, you went above what we where hoping or was it Pyke going, man you stitched up O’Brien, because obviously if you look at the stats Phillips numbers weren’t massive. Just curious, I’d love them to release them by coach

Totally agree. I have always wanted to know who voted for whom.

Although perhaps it's more mysterious as is; it's not what's revealed, it's what's not revealed....

Small compensation, but I like to go through the votes and work out Player X must have got 4 & 0, Player Y must have got 5 & 2 etc. Also gives me the opportunity to be a nerd (like I need an excuse) with the combinations.

 

[Prem17]

Wtf, no we won't. Stuff that.

Don't stress. It was obviously a piss-take.

 

[Brezsa]

Totally agree. I have always wanted to know who voted for whom.

Although perhaps it's more mysterious as is; it's not what's revealed, it's what's not revealed....

Small compensation, but I like to go through the votes and work out Player X must have got 4 & 0, Player Y must have got 5 & 2 etc. Also gives me the opportunity to be a nerd (like I need an excuse) with the combinations.

Not nerdy, I’ve done that too

 

[Juddernaut08]

Anyone who plays 300+ games should not have their moula in the cap.

Can see this system being rorted.

Imagine if we went into 2020 with a free Bradley and SOS. Too unfair.

 

[Jabba73]

Anyone who plays 300+ games should not have their moula in the cap.

Not a bad suggestion, maybe a token amount that equals a rookie wage so the club remembers they have the extra player to allow for, the following year.

 

[Brezsa]

Totally agree. I have always wanted to know who voted for whom.

Although perhaps it's more mysterious as is; it's not what's revealed, it's what's not revealed....

Small compensation, but I like to go through the votes and work out Player X must have got 4 & 0, Player Y must have got 5 & 2 etc. Also gives me the opportunity to be a nerd (like I need an excuse) with the combinations.

So for this one.

Cripps - 5 from both
Levi - 3 and 2
Kade - 4 and 0
Setters - 4 and 0
Murphy - 3 and 0
Gibbo - 2 and 0
Walsh - 1 and 0
Phillips - 1 and 0

So the coaches could only agree on Levi and Cripps, they have each gone different players after that, I’m pretty sure thats the only combo that works