Society/Culture Life after Covid-19

[woota]

An American guy talking about the real agenda behind these lockdowns. Covers a few different topics that all interconnect, but to put it succinctly: he thinks their end game is to get rid of cash.

 

[Seeds]

Not necessarily, If you nationalise banks and legislate the lending criteria.

And where exactly do you think banks get money to lend? From people. No one is going to deposit savings in banks to lend in this world if you are now also legislating against large interest rate rises. If the risk of losing your loans is high then you need very high interest rates to encourage people to lend. You are trying to break natural laws of economics by controlling too many variables. Its impossible.

 

[Seeds]

Remove tax exemption on religious entities...

We can only dream. Fat chance with a religious nut as pm.

 

[Seeds]

None of the top performing kids at my school had ambitions or went on to be teachers. Needs a change up.

If the best people in a field are teaching it then that field isnt really needed.

 

[swingdog]

Why are teachers getting shat on here?

It's one of the most underpaid careers I can think of. They're charged with managing a bunch of kids, paid peanuts (for a management position), and are accountable to the parents of those special little princes and princesses.

They put in plenty of time outside normal working hours attending meetings, correcting work, preparing for classes, and communicating with parents.

Thanks but no thanks. Those two weeks of refining putting are well earned afaic.

The solution for blanket criticism of teachers is to put those critics in charge of a room of 30 teenagers for a day and see how they get on.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Some interesting points in here, I'm in ShanDog 's corner on this one, eventually there'll be a return to normal and here in Australia we'll largely return to a liberal democratic western free enterprise society.

In saying that I think it'll be more regulated i:e for the purposes of more equity or if you will more accessible for all to 'free enterprise'. So a little bit of socialism (societal regulation) in certain sectors to ensure it or in other words make 'free enterprise' more accessible through more efficient regulations.

With what we have now, nearing police state I seriously doubt even the most ardent socialist fan would be happy continuing with these freedom restrictions.

I see the government of the day when we are able to return without virus reprisal to 'normal', whenever that is, will sell to the public more a more regulated structure in the name of efficiency to allow 'freedom of enterprise' an easier path to it for those who find it near impossible now. More of the population that is able to access it and excel equals growing the economy.

Local manufacturing is going to skyrocket, that's already beginning. Globalism will slow dramatically further driving local manufacturing - particularly a nation as isolated as ours. Relaxing 'free enterprise' hurdles with further drive this as a result.

Innovation will be the new black, all sorts of wonderful ideas and inventions will be borne of this. This may relax such thing like patentry hurdles i:e more accessible free enterprise.

Perspective will have more relevance, things like frivolous arguments from defence lawyers for obviously guilty clients and getting them off on 'technicalities' that hamstring magistrates to overrule on absurd trivial bull shit for example. Not overly confident in this though.

By extension, the more valued in society will hopefully and rightly be more valued in pay instead ridiculously low wages like nurses compared to those lawyers for example. A welcomed societal shift if you will.

Societies like China are going to further regulate their populations to ensure they get the lions share as a result of less foreign trading as a result of this pandemic. Many many businesses and states large and small will cease or lessen trading with China for more than just economic reasons. They'll probably be hit hardest of all from this.

I work for a local manufacturer and one of the issues is raw materials.
We have material from Europe, available from China, but not locally. Its difficult stuff to ship but simply not available here.
We have other material from China, which we went to purely from a cost competitive basis. Possibly producable in Australia, but it would be difficult.

We don't make stainless steel, we mainly make standard construction items. Our raw materials go straight to China, with us only making rudimentary stuff.
We built a pretty impressive industry, and then just left it how it was for the best part of a century.

Its very simplistic to say "Pay them more" Where is the money coming from, you can always spend more money in health or education.
Its also stupid. Yes we need them. Just like you need the tyre repair guy when you have a puncture. No doubt he'll do a great job for you, but that doesn't mean he needs or deserves a pay rise.

Nursing is being divided into tiers a bit more.
The registered nurses courses are including more than before, meaning that they are more skilled and able to do more in the past. No doubt these nurses will earn more money.
They are training more certified nurses. That means that we aren't paying as many of the highly qualified registered nurses to empty bedpans and take bp readings.
IMO, and as a generalization Doctors need to learn not to be arrogant elite's and to learn to use procedures and communications channels like the rest of the world has.

Pay teachers more? People like to compare them to other professionals. All the high paid professionals i know put in LOTS of hours. And that old line about marking papers at home doesn't get them close.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The solution for blanket criticism of teachers is to put those critics in charge of a room of 30 teenagers for a day and see how they get on.

Wow...
That old clanger.
The solution of blanket criticism of cleaners is to make you clean 50 dirty toilets a day and see how they get on. Point?
They did three years of one of the easier degree's.
They work shorter hours than anyone, and they don't need to have their mobile on them whilst on their many holidays. Sorry marking papers simply doesn't even cover their short workdays, let alone their many holidays. ( why do they need to have curriculum days and the like AFTER school goes back , union i guess ).
Some of them are good , some of them are crap. Like any spread of Individuals.

There is actually a bit of a crisis where many of the teachers don't understand the maths and science they are meant to be teaching.

 

[swingdog]

Wow...
That old clanger.
The solution of blanket criticism of cleaners is to make you clean 50 dirty toilets a day and see how they get on. Point?
They did three years of one of the easier degree's.
They work shorter hours than anyone, and they don't need to have their mobile on them whilst on their many holidays. Sorry marking papers simply doesn't even cover their short workdays, let alone their many holidays. ( why do they need to have curriculum days and the like AFTER school goes back , union i guess ).
Some of them are good , some of them are crap. Like any spread of Individuals.

There is actually a bit of a crisis where many of the teachers don't understand the maths and science they are meant to be teaching.

You're actually agreeing with me. Specific and constructive criticism is fine. It's the "all teachers are useless" arguments that offer nothing.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why are teachers getting shat on here?

It's one of the most underpaid careers I can think of. They're charged with managing a bunch of kids, paid peanuts (for a management position), and are accountable to the parents of those special little princes and princesses.

They put in plenty of time outside normal working hours attending meetings, correcting work, preparing for classes, and communicating with parents.

Thanks but no thanks. Those two weeks of refining putting are well earned afaic.

because people consider teachers as baby sitters these days

look at the complaints about remote teaching, its all about the fact that they are stuck at home with their kids, and its now their job to enforce discipline on their kids

 

[Pessimistic]

because people consider teachers as baby sitters these days

look at the complaints about remote teaching, its all about the fact that they are stuck at home with their kids, and its now their job to enforce discipline on their kids

And now we have the truth

 

[Pessimistic]

We have a new BF maxim. Any thread with corona or covid in the title would rather run agendas than actually discuss the title

 

[Ned_Flanders]

We have a new BF maxim. Any thread with corona or covid in the title would rather run agendas than actually discuss the title

thats been a thing on this board since adam was a boy

 

[yebiga]

And where exactly do you think banks get money to lend? From people. No one is going to deposit savings in banks to lend in this world if you are now also legislating against large interest rate rises. If the risk of losing your loans is high then you need very high interest rates to encourage people to lend. You are trying to break natural laws of economics by controlling too many variables. Its impossible.

I merely highlighted an article discussing the idea which referenced its successful application in Germany - following WW2
I believe it's interesting to posit how it might work and its ramifications.
This self inflicted financial collapse is going to require creative solutions.

As to your first question - money has morphed from trust in a commodity like gold to purely a matter of trust. The likes of bitcoin has value purely on the basis of its scarcity and the trust in its operation. So what is money? Simply Trust.

Consider that every time one of us takes a home loan the bank essentially creates the loan out of thin air based on the prevailing valuation, your deposit and your promise to pay them back with interest.

The first problem you raise TRUST concerning a Jubilee is spot on. The other objections you raise are technicalities which can be circumnavigated quite easily.
The current banking system has morphed into a global debt beast over a relatively short period. It is not consistent with the classic capitalist models and the mythology of the capitalism in culture is not reflective of reality.

I agree with the numerous economists who have claimed that the bail-out of banks and corporations following the GFC obliterated the capitalist foundation entirely. In a capitalist system, the bailout can occur but the asset becomes nationalised. The Board of Directors removed. The public debt is offset by the newly acquired asset and when good economic times return the asset is re-privatised and the public debt to acquire the asset paid down.

Once this did not happen, the entire system becomes a fraud.

And here we are a little over 10 years later in an even worse crisis.

 

[00Stinger]

* Government spending is going to be slashed to make up for this. Expect layoffs and many free public services to be reduced

* GST will increase as a means to pay for this massive economic bailout. So expect to be paying an extra 5% for everything in 12 months time

* People will become tighter with their spending. So expect the economy to take years to get back to where it was a few months ago.

* I don't know if retail will ever recover to be honest. retail has been on a big downturn for quite a while due to online shopping. Now almost every person will be online shopping I can't see many people going back. Most retailers will move online

* Companies will reduce office sizes, more hot desking and more people to be encouraged to work from home

* The Australian borders I can see being closed for 12-24 months, so forget your overseas holidays for a while.

* Governments will look at a way to become more insular countries and self dependent and not be so reliant on other countries for necessities (ie medical supplies being developed at home). Will be interesting to see how this can be done economically

 

[Bomberboyokay]

How would it work?

Consideration of a probate tax would get my support.

CAUTION:
Kerry Packer made this point on taxation before a Senate committee & its applicable today:
..... if anybody in this country doesn't minimise their tax, they want their heads read, because as a government, I can tell you you're not spending it that well that we should be donating extra!"

Kerry Packer was a piece of shit.

 

[Kwality]

Kerry Packer was a piece of shit.

His work in cricket was exemplary, do you have anything specific in mind.
With respect to his comments to the politicians they are spot on, nothing has changed.

I acknowledge many battle with tax minimisation versus tax evasion & many confuse what he said with tax evasion.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

His work in cricket was exemplary

His cricket work was overrated (usually by people who wound up on his payroll). Just took what US baseball was doing.

 

[Number37]

* Government spending is going to be slashed to make up for this. Expect layoffs and many free public services to be reduced

* GST will increase as a means to pay for this massive economic bailout. So expect to be paying an extra 5% for everything in 12 months time

* People will become tighter with their spending. So expect the economy to take years to get back to where it was a few months ago.

* I don't know if retail will ever recover to be honest. retail has been on a big downturn for quite a while due to online shopping. Now almost every person will be online shopping I can't see many people going back. Most retailers will move online

* Companies will reduce office sizes, more hot desking and more people to be encouraged to work from home

* The Australian borders I can see being closed for 12-24 months, so forget your overseas holidays for a while.

* Governments will look at a way to become more insular countries and self dependent and not be so reliant on other countries for necessities (ie medical supplies being developed at home). Will be interesting to see how this can be done economically

You left off the most obvious...

Work Choices III.

Scummo foreshadowed it today in his presser.
"Business are going to need..."

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

You left off the most obvious...

Work Choices III.

Scummo foreshadowed it today in his presser.
"Business are going to need..."

Why aren't businesses expected to have funds to cover rainy days like poor people are?

Oh right, you gotta villify someone and it'll never be business so it has to be the poor or coloured people. Or even better, poor, coloured people.

I love the ****wit right-wing English immigrants on this board who think they're better than other coloured immigrants. They're really the exact same.

 

[Number37]

Why aren't businesses expected to have funds to cover rainy days like poor people are?

Oh right, you gotta villify someone and it'll never be business so it has to be the poor or coloured people. Or even better, poor, coloured people.

I love the ******* right-wing English immigrants on this board who think they're better than other coloured immigrants. They're really the exact same.

He said he was told by Treasury that growth wouldn't happen if we rely on how it was before.
"Business will need flexibility to invest, to employ....bla-bla-bla"


Was asked a question; does this mean IR changes?
Answer: I'm not going into any specifics yet, but Treasury told me bla-bla-bla and we need to keep all options open.

 

[Reynolds Number]

ScoMo implementing a 6 month ban on landlord evictions (fine in my opinion) so landlords now rushing to immediately evict any tenant who is a little lagging on their rent.

 

[Number37]

ScoMo implementing a 6 month ban on landlord evictions (fine in my opinion) so landlords now rushing to immediately evict any tenant who is a little lagging on their rent.

They need to get tenancy tribunal (NCAT,VCAT etc) in their state to approve evictions...and they've been instructed to not approve any.

 

[Over The Post]

Instructed maybe, but the legislation needs to be passed by state parliaments before it is effective... some interesting legal challenges coming up I'd think.

 

[Evolved1]

I hope landlord insurance will cover shortfall in rent if tenants choose not to pay. No doubt the fineprint in policies will be getting looked over very carefully.

 

[00Stinger]

ScoMo implementing a 6 month ban on landlord evictions (fine in my opinion) so landlords now rushing to immediately evict any tenant who is a little lagging on their rent.

Do you have any proof of landlords rushing to evict people before the laws are passed?

Would seem like a stupid time to evict tenants as they isn't exactly a massive rush for rental vacancies at the moment