Moved Thread Bailey Smith vs Sam Walsh

[Oakleigh Roo]

Smith looks like a jet but I don’t see the Dusty comparisons at all

What attributes does Dusty have that makes you think that a comparison between Bailey and Dusty is off the mark ?

 

[Oakleigh Roo]

We also know what toby turned into too. We are yet to see Walsh’s ceiling. I’m not putting anything on it. Just chose Judd/Buckley because they kept progressing from year 1.

So what happens when Walsh obviously doesn’t progress from last year and keeps up his 2020 form? What will be his comparison then? Because it’s clearly not Judd or Buckley?

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

So what happens when Walsh obviously doesn’t progress from last year and keeps up his 2020 form? What will be his comparison then? Because it’s clearly not Judd or Buckley?

Cross that bridge if I come to it. At the moment it’s Judd.

 

[Oakleigh Roo]

Cross that bridge if I come to it. At the moment it’s Judd.

Your bigfooty license needs to be suspended for that statement alone. It’s an absolute insult to Chris Judd.

 

[maddog37]

So what happens when Walsh obviously doesn’t progress from last year and keeps up his 2020 form? What will be his comparison then? Because it’s clearly not Judd or Buckley?

You would be pretty happy if he turns out as good as Simon Black.

 

[Ambrosia]

What attributes does Dusty have that makes you think that a comparison between Bailey and Dusty is off the mark ?

Just don't think he physically overpowers players the same way Dusty does. Think the way he wins the ball is more like a bigger bodied Dylan Shiel or Adam Treolor type.

 

[kozi]

What attributes does Dusty have that makes you think that a comparison between Bailey and Dusty is off the mark ?

For a start he’s nowhere near as strong as Dusty was at the same age and will most likely never be. Don’t think that’s even up for debate.

As a side note I rate Smith very highly for a 19 year old however these comparisons are just unfair on him.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

I suspect you're arguing just for the sake of it, but Macrae played as an outside player for years before transitioning into a full time midfielder. Even at TAC Cup level he was predominantly an outside player. Walsh has essentially started in the square from his first game.

I'm highlighting the contest against Witts because it shows how courageous he is. There would be few senior players, let along skinny first years, willing to put their body on the line in that fashion. You can add in his first goal when he again had to take a mark going back with the flight with two players bearing down - I'm sure you find plenty more examples, but you get the picture: the kid is a hard nut.

Weird thing to still be upset by though. Still some PTSD from when opposition posters used to pot Macrae for his very outside game?

On what planet does it come across as I'm upset? Posters like you use that phrase to try and make out they won a debate by making out the other one is getting upset. One thing I ossociate with Sam is not being hard or will end up a hard tough mid. Say why you like on your opinion on Macrae but he ain't just a soft outside runner.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

I’m judging it from his first season being the best from an 18 year old this century. People have been finding ways to knock him down since his debut. Because he plays for Carlton and doesn’t play for their team. I’m saying he could turn into Judd or Buckley levels or even supersede them no one truly knows. If we project from the only full season he’s had so far it’s logical to think he could be one of the greatest. I’m not trying to say he will be but everyone else on here is riding him off them using my comments as if they are gospel from Carlton supporters. Read back through. I’m only saying it’s a possibility and basing it off his first year output it the best that’s been seen in a very long time hence why he smashed all the first year mid records.
To answer the big question, Walsh v Smith. It’s Walsh hands down. I wouldn’t trade him for anybody in the AFL right now. Even Rowell. However, that opinion may change as the season progresses.

wow

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

There really does seem to be some schizophrenia going on.

If I make reference to a player being hard (in comparison to another player) that doesn't then deem the other player as soft.

Macrae's toughness just seems to be a major sore spot for Bulldog supporters?

No chance in the world. If I was upset by that Id have real issues.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Perhaps you are finding ways to push him ahead of everyone else because he plays for Carlton and not another team.

It's because of their teams lack of recent success that sone seem to want to cling to something to hand a hat on.

 

[Oakleigh Roo]

For a start he’s nowhere near as strong as Dusty was at the same age and will most likely never be. Don’t think that’s even up for debate.

As a side note I rate Smith very highly for a 19 year old however these comparisons are just unfair on him.

That is probably true. But he did stiff arm a couple of tackles last night that did remind me of a young dusty. And explode out of the congestion. Spewing he’s at the dogs to be honest.

 

[Chunky09]

Are you saying that if he’s played for GC or Adelaide or someone else he wouldn’t have been as dominant. Why’s he only averaging 15 touches a game in 2020 then? Got a theory.

I’m saying the comparison is between he and smith,
Smith plays in one of the most talented midfields in the comp and is starring, Walsh is a gun, no doubt, but is playing well in a midfield that is very poor outside of Cripps.

 

[flipper83]

Smith looks like a jet but I don’t see the Dusty comparisons at all

Just don't think he physically overpowers players the same way Dusty does. Think the way he wins the ball is more like a bigger bodied Dylan Shiel or Adam Treolor type.

I thought about Treloar as a comparison but his disposal is much better and I think he is more powerful than Shiel. His not as powerful as dusty and may never be but the way he attacks the contest to me is very dusty like.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Lol. You Dogs fans are so insecure.

Can accept people saying Smith is or will be better, but by far is a load of bollocks.

I don’t think so at all. Dogs fans have been very fair and complimentary of Walsh, which we are known for, I haven’t seem it replicated by Carlton supporters generally. Perhaps the insecurity comes from more recent success in comparison to a 25 year drought.

 

[iambrilliant]

I might get smashed for this one but here goes, my smith comparison When I see him break away from packs it reminds me of a young Chris Judd .

 

[Foucault1989]

Everyone will just suggest their own player but the 2018 draft really is stacked, top end talent is as good as I've seen.

Agreed. No one in the top ten will be upset with their draftees, only Jones hasn't shown much.

 

[Foucault1989]

Smith, easily.

Every opportunity Buzz. You have no credibility

 

[Dale4captain]

I thought about Treloar as a comparison but his disposal is much better and I think he is more powerful than Shiel. His not as powerful as dusty and may never be but the way he attacks the contest to me is very dusty like.

Think it’s more of a Luke Shuey type comparison ar the moment. He’ll probably end up a beater kick than Shoey but not quite as quick top end speed.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Every opportunity Buzz. You have no credibility

Do you disagree with my statement? If so, why?

 

[Juddernaut08]

I don’t think so at all. Dogs fans have been very fair and complimentary of Walsh, which we are known for, I haven’t seem it replicated by Carlton supporters generally. Perhaps the insecurity comes from more recent success in comparison to a 25 year drought.

Look here young pup, you could win the next 3 and theres still no comparison or jealousy

Smith looks a jet and I genuinely dont know who will be better, but let's not forget you've won 2 prems in all of history.

 

[Yesterday Dog]

Smith looks a jet and I genuinely dont know who will be better, but let's not forget you've won 2 prems in all of history.

Yeah that's true, but you've had to support the biggest basketcase of the modern era and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. You're like the inception of rebuilds. Rebuild within a rebuild within a rebuild.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Yeah that's true, but you've had to support the biggest basketcase of the modern era and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. You're like the inception of rebuilds. Rebuild within a rebuild within a rebuild.

damn touché.

 

[mehow2g]

Sam Walsh will be like a Nick dal Santo.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Sam Walsh will be like a Nick dal Santo.

opposite types