Autopsy Round 4 = GWS 66-64 Collingwood

[grayza2018]

Feel for Howe too, rotten luck and it looked rather nasty. Fingers crossed for the scan results

 

[Albert Parker]

Nick Haynes was amazing. He played so well. 10 intercept possessions. He only had 16 possessions. We turned the balk over 10 times to him.....

Haynes seemed to be playing on WHE who was hiding behind him and no chance of interrupting his marking capacity. I didn't think Hayne was more influential than Moore (or Howe) who had much better quality opposition in Cameron. WHE didn't make him earn much tonight.

 

[manicpie]

Haynes seemed to be playing on WHE who was hiding behind him and no chance of interrupting his marking capacity. I didn't think Hayne was more influential than Moore (or Howe) who had much better quality opposition in Cameron. WHE didn't make him earn much tonight.

Absolutely, WHE is a major concern, as is T. Brown who is being thrown to the wolves when he is obviously not ready for senior footy yet

 

[Albert Parker]

Just like Malthouse cost us a flag in 2007 by refusing to recruit a real ruckman for all those years (funny what happened in 2010 once we got one), Buckley's cost us a flag (or two) by refusing to recruit a KP Forward.

What a nonsense.

Pretty sure we chased Tom Lynch hard while Buckley was coach. Effective tall forwards aren't that easy to find. Look at players like McCartin, Patton, Schache, all of whom have had top 3 draft picks utilised on them, for very little return.

Ben Brown is an exception, but recent excellent tall forwards have often come from priority draft selections - Lynch (GCS), Cameron (GWS) which we haven't had access too

and look at the AFL goal kicking at present
- Tom Papley, Harry Perryman, Charlie Cameron, Toby Greene......Brodie Mihocek
We've actually got the highest scoring tall forward in the competition playing for us and he is a rookie selection.

There are not that many high scoring tall forwards in the competition. Guys like Riewoldt and Hawkins have been around forever.

The next generation are the King boys at GCS and St Kilda, both of whom were top 6 draft picks and you don't get too many of them when you keep finishing Top 4.

This is not an easily solvable problem with a salary cap and without top 10 draft picks. Maybe we revert to Darcy Moore as an option again once Will Kelly comes on. But Darcy is currently a star down back and helps set up our miserly defence.

 

[Pistol Night]

Pump the breaks people. We played shit, and still only lost by 2 points to last years Grand Finalist, on their own ground, at virtually full strength. All is not lost. Plenty to work on and time left in the year to get it right.

 

[JM#1]

Strong disagree. Fumbled all night, always chasing tail, close to being the slowest, least agile player on the ground. In a midfield that got shown up for class and pace he was an absolute liability. He is mediocrity personified. He weakens our midfield in the same way Cox weakens out forward line when the ball hits the ground.

Play Sier. Play Rantall. Play Mark ******* McGough, at least that bloke had a clean set of hands and a decent football brain. Rupert ******* Wills, my god.

When you literally struggle to pick up a stationary ball off the ground then you absolutely are a liability.

 

[jimmy35]

Poor loss. Can’t afford to drop games like that. So poor over the ground for most of the night and didn’t make enough of it when we were better.
Forwards looked lazy, some soft efforts at the ball and some horrendous skill errors at times.
Disappointing night and lost Howey on top of all. Fingers crossed for him.

 

[No SPIN]

they probably have a life where their happiness doesnt revolve around winning a footy match. take pendles for example, goes home to alex and the baby. considers a few more years playing and then either coaching or media. considers multi million dollars contracts in said careers. no wonder he's smiling. we really need to get more players in the team like josh thomas and rupert who have nothing to look forward to.

Laughable comment - the contribution of Pendles to the team on gameday is beyond reproach.
I'd be happy with 22 Pendleburys - and couldn't care less how they react after a loss.

 

[Finnishpie]

Alright let's be realistic can't have Tyler Brown Callum Brown and daicos is same team if we want to best top tier teams. Also Degoey Tyler Brown and Hoskin Elliott with 0 tackles is pathetic!

agree. Tyler is the first out. Daicos and callum have earned one more game.

problem with Cox is exactly what Kane Cornes said: we Become predictable with him. Long ball to the square every time.

 

[No SPIN]

What a nonsense.

Pretty sure we chased Tom Lynch hard while Buckley was coach. Effective tall forwards aren't that easy to find. Look at players like McCartin, Patton, Schache, all of whom have had top 3 draft picks utilised on them, for very little return.

Ben Brown is an exception, but recent excellent tall forwards have often come from priority draft selections - Lynch (GCS), Cameron (GWS) which we haven't had access too

and look at the AFL goal kicking at present
- Tom Papley, Harry Perryman, Charlie Cameron, Toby Greene......Brodie Mihocek
We've actually got the highest scoring tall forward in the competition playing for us and he is a rookie selection.

There are not that many high scoring tall forwards in the competition. Guys like Riewoldt and Hawkins have been around forever.

The next generation are the King boys at GCS and St Kilda, both of whom were top 6 draft picks and you don't get too many of them when you keep finishing Top 4.

This is not an easily solvable problem with a salary cap and without top 10 draft picks. Maybe we revert to Darcy Moore as an option again once Will Kelly comes on. But Darcy is currently a star down back and helps set up our miserly defence.

Whack Whack Whack - great post.

 

[AuTo00Z]

agree. Tyler is the first out. Daicos and callum have earned one more game.

problem with Cox is exactly what Kane Cornes said: we Become predictable with him. Long ball to the square every time.

I think it's fine if Cox actually marks the ball. The problem is we played him in wet and dewy conditions. That was never going to work, cause if Cox doesn't mark it, he's useless at ground level. In those conditions, he's a deadset liability.

Poor loss. Can’t afford to drop games like that. So poor over the ground for most of the night and didn’t make enough of it when we were better.
Forwards looked lazy, some soft efforts at the ball and some horrendous skill errors at times.
Disappointing night and lost Howey on top of all. Fingers crossed for him.

Yeah, we didn't deserve to win based on that effort. GWS wanted it more and outworked us. They put on immense pressure, and players being unable to handle that pressure plus the dewy conditions is what cost us, as we didn't apply the same amount of pressure on them anywhere near enough. Tbh, we were lucky to be close, so I don't mind the loss that much, as it's a good wakeup call. The real sting is losing Howe for potentially (and probably likely) the rest of the season.

 

[stormskye]

We lost by 2 pts and the worlds ended.m

And we lost the GF by 5 points and the preliminary by 4 points in consecutive years. Just getting in some early season rehearsal I see. Everyone moves on. That doesn't mean you can't express your frustration and disappointment. I think I would give it away if it was possible but it's too deeply embedded in my DNA and blood. But I stand by everything I said. The pain and angst far outweighs any joy in this game.

You are still having a cry. Go and follow Melb or Carlton, your attitude is Terrible.

 

[stormskye]

Wow, see our BF brethren don't disappoint. All the plaudits last week and now we're no better than bottom 6 (lookin at you TD).

Haven't read through the whole thread but it's clear the mantra is the sky is falling in, like season over. Is it really?

Yeah we had em on toast in the last and sprayed our opportunities.

Perspective: on foreign deck up against arguably the most talented team in team in the comp who by the way would be seething on their last two outings.

We're we good? Nah, hell no - sure in parts we were, premiership like good but you can't be 'good' for a whole game especially against a talent laden team like that and especially a p155ed off one.

What I did like was we gave ourselves opportunity in the last to win it. As much as that was frustrating for Nathan and all of us, none the less we have the ability to wrest the game in our favour, against super opposition, on their home deck no less.

But nah season over right?

Isn’t it ridiculous. We must be 0/4 and coming off 60pt loss. If we converted one more goal and none of them would be crying. Horrible supporters with negative attitudes.

We’ve played last years grand finalists and are 1 draw and 1 loss by 2pts (kick straight and win) and season is over.

Treloar in next week is huge, Howe is irreplaceable however glass half full perspective is atleast we have plenty of good defenders to bring in.

 

[Seedsfan]

We have no key forwards and time and time again that lack of quality there exposes us.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

We have no key forwards and time and time again that lack of quality there exposes us.

I genuinely think it’s actually our midfields inability to give them enough good opportunities. Something breaks down between half back and half forward on the regular, and Pendlebury was the only one yesterday that seemed to be able to properly penetrate going into our forwardline. It needs urgent attention because we never rack up winning scores against the best teams.

 

[Fruit]

The one thing I it’s big Mason that frustrates me is when opposition get their hands on the ball in marking contests he’s involved in. Even if he doesn’t mark it he should be stronger in bringing the ball to the ground but too often he allows it to get behind him.

 

[DWil6]

GWS brought back Greene and Kelly who unarguably had a massive impact on the result and were in the best players. Timing is everything. On the flip side they were down a few on the bench in the end but held tough against the onslaught.

 

[Jen2310]

What a nonsense.

Pretty sure we chased Tom Lynch hard while Buckley was coach. Effective tall forwards aren't that easy to find. Look at players like McCartin, Patton, Schache, all of whom have had top 3 draft picks utilised on them, for very little return.

Ben Brown is an exception, but recent excellent tall forwards have often come from priority draft selections - Lynch (GCS), Cameron (GWS) which we haven't had access too

and look at the AFL goal kicking at present
- Tom Papley, Harry Perryman, Charlie Cameron, Toby Greene......Brodie Mihocek
We've actually got the highest scoring tall forward in the competition playing for us and he is a rookie selection.

There are not that many high scoring tall forwards in the competition. Guys like Riewoldt and Hawkins have been around forever.

The next generation are the King boys at GCS and St Kilda, both of whom were top 6 draft picks and you don't get too many of them when you keep finishing Top 4.

This is not an easily solvable problem with a salary cap and without top 10 draft picks. Maybe we revert to Darcy Moore as an option again once Will Kelly comes on. But Darcy is currently a star down back and helps set up our miserly defence.

Will Kelly developing into a key forward, so no need to do anything with Moore.

 

[Maggie5]

Absolutely shattered for Howe and us. More so for him.

 

[Fruit]

Does anyone know where Lyndon Dunn is at with his fitness? Is he still in rehab or has he been playing in the scratch matches?

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Does anyone know where Lyndon Dunn is at with his fitness? Is he still in rehab or has he been playing in the scratch matches?

Scratch Match Review: Round 4 v Bulldogs

Head development coach Hayden Skipworth looks at the best performers in the reserves game against the Western Bulldogs

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

 

[Fruit]

Scratch Match Review: Round 4 v Bulldogs

Head development coach Hayden Skipworth looks at the best performers in the reserves game against the Western Bulldogs

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Great news. Thanks

 

[Seedsfan]

I genuinely think it’s actually our midfields inability to give them enough good opportunities. Something breaks down between half back and half forward on the regular, and Pendlebury was the only one yesterday that seemed to be able to properly penetrate going into our forwardline. It needs urgent attention because we never rack up winning scores against the best teams.

Has absolutely nothing t do with the mids. Cox and Mihocek were getting beaten pointblank all game until Davis got injured. They inspire absolutely zero confidence in the midfield as they can’t beat their man and are getting out marked so the mids are hesitant and don’t want to pull the trigger

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Has absolutely nothing t do with the mids. Cox and Mihocek were getting beaten pointblank all game until Davis got injured. They inspire absolutely zero confidence in the midfield as they can’t beat their man and are getting out marked so the mids are hesitant and don’t want to pull the trigger

The mids delivery into our forwardline is consistently shithouse. Hardly ever is the ball put to the advantage of our forwards, while every other team seems to be capable of picking out targets at will.

 

[PendlePie]

The mids delivery into our forwardline is consistently shithouse. Hardly ever is the ball put to the advantage of our forwards, while every other team seems to be capable of picking out targets at will.

This is partly true. Our midfield delivery isn’t great, but it’s definitely made to look worse by Cox who just can’t get to and compete in enough contests.