List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[Scham]

For sure but you also don't bid unless a player is arguably in the ball park worth wise. I don't see a bid coming in Round 1 for Joel but those thinking he'll still be on the board in Round 4 or as an NGA Cat B are kidding themselves if he continues playing games - glad to hear he'll be thrown into League level to get a taste at some point.

Another to watch is Isiah Winder who I think could fly up the draft order over the coming months if he continues developing. Played in the GF for Peel against Western's Claremont last year (if you want to see a bit of him) but we will see him on ball for Peel colts more this season - had 32d and 7 tackles on the weekend.

Logan McDonald looks the goods and would not be upset at all if he was our first pick. But there is a lot of top end talent from all over the country that could slot into our team in almost any position. I'm not as convinced about O'Driscoll personally, I'd probably prefer Trew and there are plenty of non-WA mids who I have higher up than these two if we are going to spend an early(ish) pick on a mid.

Yes, good to hear from you.

Who are the mids that you have higher than Trew and O’Driscoll?

 

[wayToGo_]

Yes, good to hear from you.

Who are the mids that you have higher than Trew and O’Driscoll?

Elijah Hollands is still the #1 player this draft imo. If he were somehow available at our pick he'd be the perfect addition to our developing young mid group - could play from round 1 and impact. The injury thing sucks but could also see him slipping to our 1st?!? Not sure I'd grab him if our S&C team is still the same as it is now by then.

Phillips and Bruhn are the other two mids I have ahead of Trew and O'Driscoll atm. Those 5 are the mids (not academy aligned) hovering in that 1st round range for me. Although if we keep our early pick I'd probably go a tall in Thilthorpe, McDonald or DGB ahead of all but Hollands. Going to be a weird draft with limited recent work to base things off.

 

[Walkingwounded]

Still think a bid will come much earlier than many think for Joel - remember how early the Henry bid was? The kid is a gun - absolute lightning quick and he has exactly the right work ethic. He is tiny but he is quickly developing his versatility - can play from half back through half forward - was mostly on the outside last year but his inside work is looking better all the time - plus his cleverness around goals - tick tick tick. He will be on Freo's list, nothing surer, just like with Henry same time last year. Suspect we use him as a small forward to start with - he's already been training a bit with Sonny. Sturt, Rick (Minairo), Henry and Western (alongside Sonny) could be quite an upgrade on the speed and skills from our smalls forward of centre than we are currently used to over the coming years.

Some older vids (from earlier this year) worth watching if you haven't seen them...

Sssssshhhhh under cover out of sight please!

 

[Dockeroo]

Has Western gotten any bigger at all this year? Last I heard he was 172cm? He definitely seems to have bulked up quite a bit..

 

[Ysaye]

Has Western gotten any bigger at all this year? Last I heard he was 172cm? He definitely seems to have bulked up quite a bit..

Listed as 174cm on the WAFL website but we won't know until the combine measures. Over previous years I have found around a +/- variation of 2cm (leaning more to the -2cm as optimistic measurements are often reported pre-combine.)

 

[Ysaye]

As a mid ODriscoll would want to improve his output. Only 13 touches....


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Given he spent a lot of last year getting high 20s / early 30s in terms of possession numbers he has runs on the board he can lean on for now as well as his championships.

Kicking effiency will be a more important indicator for him and also if he can make it to WAFL senior level, which he should be able to do at some point. Also keen to see his 20m time as he is a well built lad and combined with some speed (which I think he may have) makes him a great proposition if you are looking for a "power" midfielder.

 

[Chris25]

Trew v Phillips v O'Driscoll v Hollands- Chris any thoughts?

Hollands is definitely the best prospect overall for me. But I do think he’s more of a forward/mid. Which is still something we need though. Pair him with Sturt and we immediately become more dangerous. If we can be trusted with an injured player.

Next best is Phillips, probably the most complete mid at the moment. He’s the only other one who’d be worth a top 5 pick if the draft was today. Maybe a little Serong like, not a bad thing but they might not want to use two early picks on sub 180cm midfielders. Especially with Joel Western coming, even if I suspect he plays as a flanker/pocket at the next level.

I have O’Driscoll ahead of Trew at the moment. But they’d more be options if we were picking in the 7-12 range for me. I’d probably rather DGB or McDonald though, partly because of my faith in Valente as that big body mid. And then take someone like Finn Gorringe from WA or a Tom Powell from SA in the second or third round. Ball winning mids is one position the draft looks reasonably deep this year.

 

[Bender571]

The Henry bid by Carlton was purely to buy time to sort out some other deal. The unlucky part is that they chose Henry rather than Green to bid on.

I don't think that was luck, more like revenge for ruining their deal with Adelaide.

 

[Taylor]

They wanted Young. Can't blame them for that.

I look forward to presenting a very real offer to their captain so that they have to pay even more to keep him.

 

[yyou]

They wanted Young. Can't blame them for that.

I look forward to presenting a very real offer to their captain so that they have to pay even more to keep him.

why would we make an offer to Docherty?

 

[Dale147]

WAFL colts notebook: Heath Chapman, Joel Western, Finn Gorringe, Isiah Winder star in round one

Jordan McArdleThe West Australian
Monday, 20 July 2020 12:13PM
West Perth 10.11 (71) d Swan Districts 3.6 (24)
West Perth announced themselves as an early contender for the colts premiership with a powerful 47-point win over Swan Districts at Steel Blue Oval.

Michael Mallard was enormous in the ruck, amassing 33 hit-outs and 20 possessions in a best-afield performance.

The former State 16s big man earned the praise of coach Ryan Lasscock on the back of a brilliant fortnight.
Midfielder Callum Johnson wasn’t far behind with a game-high 34 disposals, eight marks, eight tackles and five inside 50s.
The younger brother of Falcons league regular Alec Johnson has taken his game to the next level since moving from half-forward to an on-ball role.
Zac Fleiner, Saverio Marafioti and Brady Alvaro were also among the Falcons’ best.
Highly-rated bottom-ager Lochlan Paton (24 disposals, five inside 50s and a goal) found plenty of the footy but missed a few targets, while Cory Rundle was the main focal point up forward with 2.3.
West Perth colts skipper and top-20 prospect Heath Chapman was decent down back when required with 15 disposals and six tackles.

Heath Chapman started the season strongly for West Perth.
Chapman, who played as a third tall, intercepted well and showcased his rebounding creativity.
Fellow State Talent Academy gun Kellen Johnson made his return from a back injury and was sound defensively, playing managed minutes and ticking all the boxes.
Rhett Bazzo, a potential 2021 draft pick, took 11 marks in an under-the-pump Swan Districts defence, bettered only by teammate Kade Screaigh(12).
Trent Cotchin-like midfielder Zane Trew is building nicely from a long-term shoulder injury, gathering a team-high 25 touches and laying five tackles.
Ty Sears also produced an eye-catching display with 24 disposals and seven marks after a 2019 campaign hampered by an ankle issue.
Will Collins, Jake Symington and Ayden Cartwright were named in the best, with the latter the team’s only multiple goal-kicker with two majors.
Swans speedster Max Chipper was out with a finger injury, while pick one fancy Denver Grainger-Barras played league.
Perth 10.16 (76) d Peel 10.11 (71)
A seven-goal haul, a 40-possession performance and an after-the-siren winner. This game had it all.
Demons forward Jack Evans was the hero of his side’s thrilling five-point win over Peel under lights at David Grays Arena, nailing a set shot after the siren.
Evans capped off his three-goal performance by calmly converting a free-kick from 35m out.
Bullcreek-Leeming product Harry Quartermaine was another star of the show, finishing with a game-high seven majors on debut.
Big-bodied midfielder Connor McPartland had a complete performance with 40 possessions, eight tackles and eight inside-50s, while first-round draft fancy Nathan O’Driscoll (13 disposals and six tackles) was decent without dominating.
Key-position star Logan McDonald, who is climbing the draft calculations by the week, made his league debut for the Demons, booting three goals.
Draft prospect Isiah Winder was Peel’s best with 32 touches, seven tackles and seven marks to put his hand up for a league debut, while smooth-moving ruck-forward Josh Draper and Jonathon Ietto kicked two goals apiece.
Kobe Farmer, son of former Fremantle livewire Jeff, was lively with five tackles and a goal.
Bodie Kitchingman and Zach Rankin were also busy with 21 disposals and eight marks apiece.

Claremont 9.11 (65) d Subiaco 7.10 (52)
Joel Western was the star of Claremont’s upset 20-point win over Subiaco at Leederville Oval.
The Fremantle Next Generation Academy talent was super impressive out of congestion and has such a good tank on him, moving well around the ground.
Western, one of WA’s top midfield draft prospects, finished with a game-high 29 possessions to go with four tackles and a goal in a complete performance.
Kalin Lane, a 204cm ruck prodigy from Denmark-Walpole, enjoyed a breakout game, with his follow-up work, contested marking and ability to win clearances on display.
Tall midfielder Logan Young, speedy wingman Cameron Anderson and rangy defender Kendyll Blurton, the son of former Eagle/Tiger Ash, were also impressive.
Zac Mainwaring, the son of late West Coast great Chris, did some good things in his colts debut, kicking two goals and nailing some big tackles.
Lachlan Vanirsen was Subiaco’s best and 2021 draft prospect Matt Johnson lifted after quarter-time.
Defender Blake Morris is still sidelined with an ankle injury sustained during a pre-season match.

Matt Johnson was decent in a losing cause for Subi. Credit: Jackson Flindell/The Sunday TimesSouth Fremantle 10.6 (66) d East Fremantle 8.11 (59)
Ruck duo of Shannon Neale and Solomon James had a huge say in South Fremantle’s season-opening win over East Fremantle at Fremantle Community Bank Oval.
The pair led the Bulldogs to a lop-sided hit-outs count of 37-14, giving their midfielders first use of the footy, while 201cm draft hopeful Neale also drifted forward for a goal.
Riley Clayton (19 disposals and six marks), Adam Correia (12 and six) and Regan Ward (18, seven and five inside-50s) were also impressive in the narrow 10.6 (66) to 8.11 (59) result.
Jacob Plunkett was the dominant forward on the ground with 3.3 and five marks, with Jacob Sax and Darryl Anderson chimed in with two goals apiece.
Livewire Ira Jetta is sidelined as he recovers from shoulder surgery.
Tough midfielder Finn Gorringe, rated by WAFC state talent manager Adam Jones as the Chad Warner of this year’s draft hopes, was East Fremantle’s best with 26 possessions, seven tackles and a goal.
Jack Carroll also stood out with 26 disposals, six marks, four inside 50s and a goal, while fellow Geraldton product Jed Hagan, Fremantle NGA prospect Chris Walker and Seth Connor battled hard in a losing cause.
Vice-captain Lachlan McGrath was the Sharks’ only multiple goal-kicker with 2.3.

 

[Dale147]

And some more

 

[E Shed]

I really like the sound of Kalin Lane. Kid has moved up from the country to make it and sounds like he's a real talent.
204cm, mobile, skillful. Bring it on.

 

[theGav56]

Hollands is definitely the best prospect overall for me. But I do think he’s more of a forward/mid. Which is still something we need though. Pair him with Sturt and we immediately become more dangerous. If we can be trusted with an injured player.

Next best is Phillips, probably the most complete mid at the moment. He’s the only other one who’d be worth a top 5 pick if the draft was today. Maybe a little Serong like, not a bad thing but they might not want to use two early picks on sub 180cm midfielders. Especially with Joel Western coming, even if I suspect he plays as a flanker/pocket at the next level.

I have O’Driscoll ahead of Trew at the moment. But they’d more be options if we were picking in the 7-12 range for me. I’d probably rather DGB or McDonald though, partly because of my faith in Valente as that big body mid. And then take someone like Finn Gorringe from WA or a Tom Powell from SA in the second or third round. Ball winning mids is one position the draft looks reasonably deep this year.

Do you see a late pick being used on a ruck?

 

[Walkingwounded]

Given he spent a lot of last year getting high 20s / early 30s in terms of possession numbers he has runs on the board he can lean on for now as well as his championships.

Kicking effiency will be a more important indicator for him and also if he can make it to WAFL senior level, which he should be able to do at some point. Also keen to see his 20m time as he is a well built lad and combined with some speed (which I think he may have) makes him a great proposition if you are looking for a "power" midfielder.

Interesting that he was towelled up by Isiah Winder on the w/E, that sort of beckons the question re Winder 178cm/83kg, playing more midfield this year.

In Academy squad as well, so has a track record as well, have you seen much of him, thoughts?

 

[Dale147]

Denmark-Walpole ruckman Kalin Lane named in Claremont colts best players are impressing in front of AFL scouts
Taj StubberAlbany Advertiser
Tuesday, 21 July 2020 1:17PM

Great Southern products Kieran Gowdie, Kalin Lane and Jacob Blight are their round one win for Claremont colts.

Denmark-Walpole giant Kalin Lane impressed in front of several AFL talent scouts in round one of the WAFL colts competition, named in Claremont’s best players as they defeated Subiaco.
Lane was one of three Great Southern products to feature in their 13-point win on Saturday with Albany’s Keiran Gowdie and Railways junior Jacob Blight also playing.
As the Tigers first-choice ruckman, Lane’s follow-up work and contested marking around the ground was a highlight in just his second WAFL colts game.
He had nine disposals and nine hit-outs.
Blight played an important role in the Tigers defence, as he took seven marks and racked up 18 touches along with three tackles.
Gowdie kicked one goal from four disposals while he also had 14 hit-outs, as a back-up to Lane.

Kalin Lane and Cameron Dean contest the ruck in the colts. Credit: Jackson Flindell
Jerramungup junior and Royals product Tom Baldwin made his league debut for Claremont along with Borden teenager Anthony Davis as they upset the reigning premiers.
The Tigers handed Subiaco just their second loss since the 2017 grand final.
Baldwin has played colts and reserves for the past three seasons for the Tigers while Davis was a part of the colts premiership last year before stepping up into the seniors this year.
Baldwin collected nine possessions and two marks in a lively display while Davis battled hard down back to finish with seven possessions, three marks and three tackles.
Tyron Smallwood gathered 12 disposals and five marks while older brother Dylan Smallwood was strong in defence with three marks and tackles from eight disposals.
Railways junior and second-year Geelong rising star Jordan Clark will not require surgery after dislocating his right shoulder against Collingwood on Thursday night.
The Cats are hopeful he can return this season.

 

[Bastyy]

Quite liking the sound of Lane, will have to check out some footage of him before I finish up my top 50

 

[blue shark]

Perth should be on tv this week, should be able to get a look at McDonald.

 

[Dale147]

AFL draft 2020: Swan Districts young gun Zane Trew on his injury return, AFL interest, mentors, goals and more

Jordan McArdleThe West Australian
Wed, 22 July 2020 1:00PM
Jordan McArdle
Fifteen months. Two pre-seasons. One year-ending shoulder injury and a global pandemic.

A lot happened in Zane Trew’s life between his sixth and seventh WAFL colts appearances.

A week after producing arguably the best performance of last season’s colts competition, a 40-possession, 10-tackle game against Perth in round three, the big-bodied midfielder’s year was done.

It happened during the Australian under-17s clash against New Zealand at Marvel Stadium, a full dislocation of his left shoulder after tackling an opponent.
That was it. No more colts games. No national under-18s carnival. No AFL grand final curtain-raiser. No more chances to impress talent scouts.
Saturday’s season-opening clash loss to West Perth was Trew’s first for premiership points in two days shy of 15 months.

Zane Trew in action against West Perth in round one. Credit: Supplied
The 18-year-old passed with flying colours, amassing a team-high 25 disposals to go with five tackles in a promising display.
“It will take a few games to get that match fitness back but I felt good out there,” Trew told The West Australian.
“It’s definitely felt like a long time since my last proper game but it’s been well worth the wait, getting back and having that taste of footy again.
“Hopefully I can keep building on that and get back to that form I was in last year before the injury.”

Despite so much uncertainty this year, including the make-up of the draft and if there will be a national under-18s carnival at all, the goal posts haven’t changed for the Swan Districts youngster.

He has the same aims as he did before the COVID-19 shutdown period - play consistent colts footy, push for a league debut and get drafted.

The Trent Cotchin-like on-baller used the lengthy break between games to work on a few things, putting on some size in his garage gym in Caversham and soaking in as much as possible from VFL recruits Sam Fisher and Frank Anderson.

“I think I’ve definitely got a bit stronger, I’m at about 80kg now so I’ve probably put on a few kilos,” Trew said.

“I’ve been learning a lot of Sam Fisher and Frank Anderson about body-positioning and things like that.

“They’re unreal. They should be on AFL lists right now, so learning off them and having them around the club has been great.”

AFL draft hopeful Zane Trew spent plenty of time in his backyard gym in Caversham during the coronavirus shutdown period. Credit: Danella Bevis/The West Australian
AFL interest has ramped up for Trew, rated as one of the State’s best midfield draft hopes, since the break. Both WA clubs have been in touch as well as several more from interstate.

“I won’t say how much but I’ve got a few Zoom calls lined up and I’ve already had a couple this week so it’s been good,” he said.

“I don’t want to get too ahead of myself, I’ve still got a long way to go but it’s pretty exciting to know that AFL clubs are interested in you.”

Trew got the opportunity to play in several league scratch matches, lining up against his mentors Fisher and Anderson.

Swans coach Adam Pickering said he was “on the edge” of senior footy ahead of round one, but Trew knows there’s only one way to force his way in alongside fellow draft fancy Denver Grainger-Barras.

“I’m not just going to walk into the league side, it’s a very good side so he wants to see me putting some numbers up, doing the team things and playing well consistently,” he said.

“I think he just wants to see me keep developing and getting better so hopefully I can break into the seniors by the end of the season. I’d love to have a crack and play alongside my good mate Denver.

“There’s no rush to play league though, I’d be very grateful to get the opportunity but I’m just trying to enjoy my footy at the moment wherever I play.

“I feel very lucky just to be playing at the moment with what’s going on over east, I feel for those kids in Melbourne who aren’t able to play because of the coronavirus situation over there.”

Next up for Swan Districts is a trip to Revo Fitness Stadium on Saturday morning to take on reigning premiers Claremont, coming off a stunning opening-round win over Subiaco.

Trew is expected to line up against tall midfielder Logan Young, the son of his manager Colin Young, and Fremantle Next Generation Academy speedster Joel Western.

Both Young (22 possessions and 12 tackles) and Western (29, four tackles and a goal) dominated in round one after impressing in last year’s WAFL colts decider.

“I’m not expecting Joel to get 29 like he did last week,” Trew joked.

“Nah, Joel is an absolute weapon so we’ll have to be looking out for him, and they’ve got a few other good players in the midfield like Logan Young.

“Logan’s old man is my manager. I’ve heard he’s put on some size and he’s in some good form at the moment so it will be good to go head-to-head with him and challenge myself.

“We’re going to have to put together a better performance this week if we want to compete with them because they’ve got a really good side.”

 

[rgauci]

I remember when Llane Spanderman was going to take the comp by storm. Was so annoyed we didn’t get him in the draft.

 

[Hammersoup]

Hollands is definitely the best prospect overall for me. But I do think he’s more of a forward/mid. Which is still something we need though. Pair him with Sturt and we immediately become more dangerous. If we can be trusted with an injured player.

Next best is Phillips, probably the most complete mid at the moment. He’s the only other one who’d be worth a top 5 pick if the draft was today. Maybe a little Serong like, not a bad thing but they might not want to use two early picks on sub 180cm midfielders. Especially with Joel Western coming, even if I suspect he plays as a flanker/pocket at the next level.

I have O’Driscoll ahead of Trew at the moment. But they’d more be options if we were picking in the 7-12 range for me. I’d probably rather DGB or McDonald though, partly because of my faith in Valente as that big body mid. And then take someone like Finn Gorringe from WA or a Tom Powell from SA in the second or third round. Ball winning mids is one position the draft looks reasonably deep this year.

Thanks Chris, is O'Driscolls disposal that bad?

Given where we are at we sort of need to slide to bottom 3 to get DGB (not that far). If we can not get a class midfielder then he sounds bang on.

 

[blue shark]

Thanks Chris, is O'Driscolls disposal that bad?

Given where we are at we sort of need to slide to bottom 3 to get DGB (not that far). If we can not get a class midfielder then he sounds bang on.

DGB would take Hughes position?
An upgrade in skill and decision making, could Hughes become a
Poor mans Yeo?
That or more options with Logue?

 

[Dockeroo]

DGB would take Hughes position?
An upgrade in skill and decision making, could Hughes become a
Poor mans Yeo?
That or more options with Logue?

Ryan Pearce Logue
Young Hamling Hill
Wilson or Hughes as 7th defender. Then there is Tobe Watson and Jarvis Pina. Where would DGB fit in if everyone is fit? (Probably a moot point as there’s always one of the above injured). Could he play as a forward?
Most draft boards seem to have DGB as a top 5 pick. We won’t have a top 5 pick unless we finish bottom 3. I can’t see it, Sydney, north and Adelaide are all worse sides than us.

Haven’t even mentioned Cox. Duman and Conca less likely to be B22 in future..

 

[Joao]

If DGB plays forward this year and shows a bit I'm interested, otherwise I am not. As Dockeroo points out, we have defenders coming out our ****.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah, I'd much rather use our 2nd round pick on a key defender to develop and have as depth in the short term, there should be some decent ones available. History shows a lot of KPD are 2nd round or lower picks and we already spent a top 10 pick on a KPD in 2016.

First pick on a developing KPF (much harder to get a good one outside the first round) or more explosive mid