2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Peter Doherty]

You can have Eddie back for Crouch. Hi Drugs Are Bad Mackay? nice to see you again.

No refunds.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

You can have Eddie back for Crouch. Hi Drugs Are Bad Mackay? nice to see you again.

Eddie for Gibbs and you got yourself a deal, son.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

No refunds.

Hey Pete, shit times mate but as long as we can have a laugh

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Eddie for Gibbs and you got yourself a deal, son.

No Deal!!!!

 

[fargothegreat]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

I think our preference is to keep Brad in that scenario

 

[Mutineer]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

LOL

Neither of the Crouch are unhappy at the Crows like Eddie Betts or his family members appeared to be the last year or so, and neither have presented the off field issues and inner circle problems Jenkins did so I don't believe we're desperate as is being made out to get either lad off our books. So no bloody way should be paying any bloody part of their salary to play against us.

 

[Peter Doherty]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

If it got to that (it won't) I'm sure there will be better offers than 14-19 plus steak knives.

Geelong currently hold picks 11, 16 and 17. They would be interested. North hold 3 and 9. Saints hold 15.

It feels silly talking about those clubs and the picks they hold as none of them would give up first rounders when they could get him for free with a decent contract.

There will be plenty enough interest to get us band one.

 

[Red mist]

Hey Pete, sh*t times mate but as long as we can have a laugh

Theres laughs but looking at your box, lol, how far apart. Really

 

[Red mist]

LOL

Neither of the Crouch are unhappy at the Crows like Eddie Betts or his family members appeared to be the last year or so, and neither have presented the off field issues and inner circle problems Jenkins did so I don't believe we're desperate as is being made out to get either lad off our books. So no bloody way should be paying any bloody part of their salary to play against us.

Undoubtedly true but the fragrance that comes from that doesn’t work or match x

 

[Sanders]

Not the way I read Cleric post at all. Numerous posters on this board are calling for Matt to be traded even though he has a year to run on his contract.

Where exactly has it been mentioned anywhere that Matt wants out before his contract is up?

Cleric's main point the way I read it is that if he only attracts a late 1st round pick in this draft there is absolutely no guarantee the draftee we select with that pick will ever reach the same heights and in all likelihood not be as good in terms of ability, let alone the factor even if they do turn out OK they will more than likely take at least a couple of years to reach the input of Matt currently even though he's down on form..

all true and fair. The New draftee is likely to be on a lot lower salary which might help us attract someone else

 

[1970crow]

LOL

Neither of the Crouch are unhappy at the Crows like Eddie Betts or his family members appeared to be the last year or so, and neither have presented the off field issues and inner circle problems Jenkins did so I don't believe we're desperate as is being made out to get either lad off our books. So no bloody way should be paying any bloody part of their salary to play against us.

Crouch said on AA that he wants to stay. Ok, I know they all say that, so pinch of salt, but he did disclose that Nicks said to him that he wants him to stay. That's not the normal club trained platitude stuff. I think the elephant in the room is that Brad going partially resolves the complete **** up of the salary cap by the list management committee.

 

[Bearded Clam]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

I understand where you are coming from.. just seems like a bit of a stretch to get it all done to be honest.. I just couldn’t see how the “crows pay part of Brad’s wage” bit could work. Especially given he is an OOC FA.. then, as a favour, you throw us a couple of your lads “on the cheap”..

Lots of winks and nods and under the table handshakes!.

Just sounds like something the AFL would flag straight away as potentially illegal draft and trade dealings..

 

[Bojangles17]

I thought you said he was a Ruck/Forward?

I've always classed him as more likely to make it at AFL level as Forward/Ruck right back to his junior football. i.e. Key Forward that chops out in ruck or takes stoppages in the Forward zone as and when needed.

I haven’t seen a lot of exposed form at AFL , he was killing it at vfl sec half last year 15-20p a game with plenty of marks , at any other club other than one on course for a premiership campaign he would have got his chance. I personally see him as a ruck first forward second as I just don’t think his agility would justify a perma forward role . We have settled on soldo and chol with nank out injured , no doubt this kid will want out , lucky for us he’s contracted as there appears to be a lot of interest so im thinking 20-25 minimum or trade will be his value

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

If it got to that (it won't) I'm sure there will be better offers than 14-19 plus steak knives.

Geelong currently hold picks 11, 16 and 17. They would be interested. North hold 3 and 9. Saints hold 15.

It feels silly talking about those clubs and the picks they hold as none of them would give up first rounders when they could get him for free with a decent contract.

There will be plenty enough interest to get us band one.

That’s what all the “experts” seem to be missing. A club like St Kilda or Geelong or Richmond will be prepared to pay Brad an extra $100k per year to secure him for free without giving up picks. It’s an opportunity too good to turn down.

 

[Betts are off]

So you got nothing. Explains alot.

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[SaltPeter]

Crouch said on AA that he wants to stay. Ok, I know they all say that, so pinch of salt, but he did disclose that Nicks said to him that he wants him to stay. That's not the normal club trained platitude stuff. I think the elephant in the room is that Brad going partially resolves the complete **** up of the salary cap by the list management committee.

Be interesting to know how the club values Brad now that Jones development seems to have stalled.

 

[Mego Red]

The other day Roo said our salary cap is full.

How is that possible? No seriously, how is that actually possible? It has to be a lie.

Every year each club has to pay at least 95% of the salary cap, so a cap being "full" in a given year is not a meaningful thing to say.

We only have 4 significant contracts beyond 2021: Sloane, Jones, Brown and Milera with a couple of other role players (eg McHenry, Sholl) signed to 2022.

That alone means we have a ridiculous amount of salary cap space. Unless we are paying Luke Brown $1.8 million a season of course. We could easily hand out 5 year contracts right now to basically anyone, because we have very few long term deals in play

Agreed.

Sloane on $800k and Jones/Brown/Milera on $400k would be at the top end.

That is $2m of the $13m cap committed.

I can't see any out of contract players this year or next who we'd be re-signing for more than $200k.

We could have a STACK of salary cap room in 2021 trade season. $8m+.

Absolutely why we should look to make two or three strategic spends this off season - throw $500k at Hately/Caldwell etc.

 

[Betts are off]

Be interesting to know how the club values Brad now that Jones development seems to have stalled.

I think the club values Brad extremely highly. They've worked tirelessly to get his body right over the years, and keep him happy.

When its all said and done Brad is rated all the way up to band 1 compo. And he seems to be OK with that!

 

[earlsta]

No one is saying you're going to take our reserves instead of pick two.

Clearly if the offer for Crouch is high enough, you will and should take pick two. Where the scenario that's being thrown up works is if you don't get band one and the FA compo is pick 20.

Then, instead of taking pick 20 you say okay let's do a bit better and you take pick 14-19 from Richmond along with a couple of promising young players that can't crack a game for us. In return for giving you the young players for nothing, you pay a portion of Crouch's salary.

But let me repeat, none of this happens if you get band one compo (which is still likely).

Please read my post before you start trying to pick at it and poke fun at it for being clueless.

Give it up mate, it’ll never work. Go back to the PlayStation. Other teams would have attempted to do this by now but they can’t because it’s draft tampering and the AFL signs off on all trades.

 

[Mego Red]

Hi everyone, another tiger coming in peace. Would you all be happy with the trade deal floated? I see it as a win-win. We get a player on subsidised wage who can help shoudler Cotchin and Edward's midfield load. You guys get a good draft pick and couple of our fringe players who bring a winning culture.

Look - we wouldn't HATE getting Graham and CCJ, but getting pick 2 is the priority. Which means you need to directly pay Crouch $750k. Perhaps we help by taking a different player off your hands to make that room?

 

[Mego Red]

I like the idea of Crouch going to St Kilda as a FA and we trade for Hannaberry taking his remaining 3 years at $800k off their books

Oooof. Hannebury would be the worst contract in the AFL. Id rather Crouch went to Geelong.

 

[fargothegreat]

Give it up mate, it’ll never work. Go back to the PlayStation. Other teams would have attempted to do this by now but they can’t because it’s draft tampering and the AFL signs off on all trades.

There's been countless examples of teams covering a player's wage when trading them. Pretty sure we even did it to get Deledio to GWS.

And it wouldn't be the first time a club has chosen to trade a free agent for a better deal. Have you forgotten about Dangerfield.

None of this is illegal?? Definitely not draft tampering.

 

[Mego Red]

There's been countless examples of teams covering a player's wage when trading them. Pretty sure we even did it to get Deledio to GWS.

And it wouldn't be the first time a club has chosen to trade a free agent for a better deal. Have you forgotten about Dangerfield.

None of this is illegal?? Definitely not draft tampering.

Teams cover part of the wage of an existing contract that's traded, that happens.

I'm not sure how you're proposing it would actually work with Brad Crouch?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Oooof. Hannebury would be the worst contract in the AFL. Id rather Crouch went to Geelong.

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