The on topic thread 3.0

[moomba]

 

[RossFC]

I think you mean Leeds spunks more, because we as a club actually generate decent commercial revenue.

The below is a great table, prior to this seasons window, but please continue playing the typical Brighton 'holier than thou" part that your supporters have been running the past 12 months.

Brighton would still be in the doldrums without their sugar daddy.

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wow you could buy a lot of youth scholars with that type of money.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I think you mean Leeds spunks more, because we as a club actually generate decent commercial revenue.

The below is a great table, prior to this seasons window, but please continue playing the typical Brighton 'holier than thou" part that your supporters have been running the past 12 months.

Brighton would still be in the doldrums without their sugar daddy.

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Brighton bigger spenders than 3 of the 6 that’d no doubt want this new project. Quelle surprise!

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

This is going viral, excellent article by Henry Winter in the Times basically telling Glazer to go stuff it..

Henry Winter in The Times:

Yes, Joel Glazer, I saw you. I saw your contempt for English fans. I was there outside the main entrance at JJB Stadium in Wigan on May 11, 2008. I was chatting to Manchester United supporters an hour and 20 minutes before kick-off, genuine football people whose life revolves around this great club you’re privileged to own, proper football souls who care for the greatest game as well as their beloved club. And you swept past, smiling smugly.

Yes, Joel, I saw you, you ambitious ruler of the English game. I saw your bouncers pushing United fans out of the way, your fans. I saw your look, your sense of self-entitlement. I saw how out of touch you were with English football, the passion, the flaws, the glory, and you still are. As now, I saw then that you don’t understand the responsibility of being guardian of Manchester United, the absolute honour, and the opportunity for leadership for club and sport. You’re not fit to spend a second in the distinguished company of Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton, legends who have given so selflessly to club and sport.

We know your game, Joel. Your game is simple, fistfuls of dollars. Fair enough. Money’s your business, turning sport into business, into dollars. Sadly, you don’t have any emotional connection with United. Your game is the Bucs and the bucks.

But hear this: we don’t want Joel Glazer running English football. Fans, government, clubs don’t want the representative of a family who have taken almost £1 billion out of Manchester United deciding who is a fitting owner of another club, deciding how much other clubs should receive in broadcast money, restricting opportunity for those wanting to challenge him and his Gang of Six in this disgraceful, doomed “Project Big Picture”.

Welcome to English football: behind closed shops? No chance. We’ll fight the cabal. We don’t want Joel Glazer, or John W Henry at Liverpool, deciding that two places are to be cut permanently from the vibrant, competitive Premier League, that two places are to be cut permanently from the historic, passionately supported EFL?

Who are the leaders? Not you. “The fact that our two greatest clubs are showing leadership at a time when the game is crying out for it is fantastic,” Rick Parry, chairman of the EFL, told the Daily Telegraph. Parry’s right, the game is crying out for leadership, but not the type of commercial opportunism masked as altruism from Glazer and Henry.
Where have all the real footballing leaders gone? The men and women who thought of the interests of their sport first, themselves second? The people not seduced by the power, the inflating of their egos and, occasionally , bank balances?

Where are those like David Dein and David Sheepshanks? Owners and administrators who cared. Richard Scudamore kept the 20 Premier League owners in a line, which Richard Masters has failed to. Adam Crozier was a leader of the FA, too strong for the internal politics, but an undeniable leader. Ian Watmore walked away from the FA, exasperated by the agendas. English football is too riven with self-interest. Gordon Taylor at the PFA loves the game, genuinely, but fails to lead properly, sadly.

So a message to Glazer and Henry as you try to seize leadership of English football. Some humility, please, some respect for this great game, for this footballing country that nursed into life and codified this wonderful pastime that already provides you with such profits. Please, some acknowledgment that fortunes, footballing and financial, fluctuate. Special status? How entitled you are. Know your history. Big six? Leicester and Leeds have won the title since Spurs have. Villa have won the European Cup more than City, Arsenal and Spurs. This is not to decry any of those magnificent clubs, simply to apply the big picture.

So, Joel and John, you don’t offer the leadership English football craves, the sense of financial probity and community. They do exist within football. I’d trust Mark and Nicola Palios at Tranmere Rovers and Steve Lansdown at Bristol City to lead the EFL better than Parry. Port Vale’s Carol Shanahan would represent and work better for the EFL than Parry; she cares for her club and community, and runs a hugely successful business.

I’d trust Matthew Benham at Brentford to do a better job with the maths than Parry, who is trying to sell football’s soul for £3.5 million a club. I’d trust Tony Bloom at Brighton to get the figures right without wronging anybody. I’d trust Clive Nates at Lincoln City, Andy Holt at Accrington Stanley and Simon Sadler at Blackpool to be more in tune with balance sheets and fans’ concerns than Parry.

I’d trust Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, Leicester’s owner, and his principled chief executive, Susan Whelan, to run the Premier League with more savvy and empathy than Glazer and Henry. I’d trust Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens at Villa more than Glazer and Henry; they understand dreams, studious investment, striving to challenge the elite, pushing against the door that Glazer and Henry want to close.

I’d trust Andrea Radrizzani at Leeds to do a better job on broadcast rights than Glazer and Henry, sharing the riches around, appreciating the importance of competition. I’d trust Steve Parish at Crystal Palace to do the right thing when it counted, to think of the greater good. I’d trust Delia Smith and Michael Wynn-Jones as proper stewards of the national game than Parry. They’re not into Norwich City for the possibility of profit; just the opposite, it has cost them.

And how the EFL misses a smart mind and big heart like Dean Hoyle, who has stood down at Huddersfield Town. Now there’s a man with a moral compass. His sons worked in the club shop, he broke down with emotion when his beloved Town were promoted at Wembley, and was so concerned about local childhood poverty that he established breakfast clubs to feed the needy.

So Parry is right: English football does need a reset, but not dictated by those whose start, middle and end is the bottom line. Not Glazer and Henry. English football needs leaders who care for all, but also possess the financial expertise to make the sport a viable business. For years, it has been tottering towards the “cliff-edge” as Parry calls it, and is now teetering. Proper leaders, those with a real big picture, would have reined in the ludicrous wages, making them more performance-related. Proper leaders would have confronted the unconscionable, extravagant, multi-layered system of paying agents.

This is not a plea to retreat down memory lane, finding sanctuary in the iron-fist Fifties leadership of Alan Hardaker, the Football League secretary who protected convoys on brave Royal Navy duty during the War, who played for Hull, who fought for his sport. It is about tapping into the intellectual property that exists in football, in the minds of Shanahan, Whelan, and the cerebral Palios couple, and working as a collective to sort English football’s myriad ills, to bring the real leadership, not the greed of a Joel Glazer. We know what you’re doing, Joel.

 

[moomba]

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[moomba]

Here's hoping.

 

[SM]

Neutral, lol.

 

[moomba]

According to the Mail. FA is against. Henry, Woody, Parry have a bit of work to do by the looks.

EFL seem on board with a number of exceptions.

 

[Zidane98]

According to the Mail. FA is against. Henry, Woody, Parry have a bit of work to do by the looks.

EFL seem on board with a number of exceptions.

Of course the EFL are on board, theyve been chasing extra money from the PL big time.

 

[moomba]

Of course the EFL are on board, theyve been chasing extra money from the PL big time.

Turkey's voting for Christmas.

 

[Zidane98]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54531760

23 out of 24 League 2 clubs pushing for the proposal to go ahead even though it means two of them will drop out from 22-23 onwards.

 

[SM]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/football/54531760

23 out of 24 League 2 clubs pushing for the proposal to go ahead even though it means two of them will drop out from 22-23 onwards.

Andy Holt has come out and rubbished those claims.

 

[Zidane98]

Andy Holt has come out and rubbished those claims.

BBC did say that Lincoln, AFC Winbledon & Accrington were against it.

 

[Zidane98]

League 1 & 2 sides should be allowed 20% socially distanced crowds with immediate effect.

 

[moomba]

League 1 & 2 sides should be allowed 20% socially distanced crowds with immediate effect.

A lot of people are living under restrictions at the moment. Would be crazy to make exemptions for a football match.

 

[Zidane98]

A lot of people are living under restrictions at the moment. Would be crazy to make exemptions for a football match.

The WHO are now saying lockdowns arent the best way to combat the virus (the countries with the best results didnt employ lockdowns) plus outdoor transmission risk is very low.

Some normality needs to continue otherwise lockdown restrictions end up causing more damage then they prevent.

Supporting L1/L2 sides with restricted socially distantnced crowds makes complete sense with many of those clubs on their knees with little TV & corporate revenue. No point continuing this if we have 20-30 clubs from L1/L2 fold.

 

[moomba]

Hopefully by having some restrictions now we'll stay out of another full lockdown.

Safety has got to take priority.

 

[Zidane98]

Cinemas and indoor gatherings are currently allowed. Absolute madness that L1/L2 teams that have no government support, little corporate & broadcast revenue to fall back on cannot allow 20% capacity crowds in a socially distanced manner.

 

[SM]

A lot of people are living under restrictions at the moment. Would be crazy to make exemptions for a football match.

It wouldn't be an exemption for a football match though.

 

[Zidane98]

Hopefully by having some restrictions now we'll stay out of another full lockdown.

Safety has got to take priority.

That's great except the countries with the best results on COVID (South Korea / Taiwan) didn't have lockdowns at all and successfully combatted the virus despite having high exposure to the virus and high population densities. The WHO are also now saying lockdowns are not the best way to combat the virus.

 

[Cruyff14]

Cinemas and indoor gatherings are currently allowed. Absolute madness that L1/L2 teams that have no government support, little corporate & broadcast revenue to fall back on cannot allow 20% capacity crowds in a socially distanced manner.

Probably not a great argument to try and use to backup your point.

Ridiculous that cinemas and gatherings are allowed to begin with.

 

[SM]

Probably not a great argument to try and use to backup your point.

Ridiculous that cinemas and gatherings are allowed to begin with.

Well it is a good point because if those are allowed it's ridiculous open air football matches aren't.

 

[moomba]

It wouldn't be an exemption for a football match though.

Zone 3 it is.

Potentially zone 2.

Probably half the country in a few weeks time.

 

[Zidane98]

Probably not a great argument to try and use to backup your point.

Ridiculous that cinemas and gatherings are allowed to begin with.

Of course it is, the risks are far greater in a packed cinema than say Hull for example having 5k fans all socially distanced apart in a 24k capacity stadium. It is absolute madness the current policies. These clubs are on their knees, the fallout in terms of health costs is going to be huge if a large number of them go bust all at once which is what it is looking like if the current madness continues. These clubs have little TV & corporate revenue to survive on to keep them going.


I get not doing it for PL clubs as if you allow 20% to home games another 50% will turn up outside with their large followings. PL clubs can ride this out in any case with their huge TV & sponsorship revenue at least for the short term.