List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread III

[Snake_Baker]

Am I wrong in thinking that treloar has had a history with hammys?

Collingwood might end up fronting his entire 1st year and getting someone else to play for peanuts in 2021.

 

[Samsquanch]

Generally the good teams don’t have room for a 900k a year salary

LOL. Why would a "Salary Cap" stop them when ambassadorships and boot sponsorships are the answer to this problem.

 

[LB2Snake]

That makes more sense.
I’d be really annoyed if we were in that position and swapped 8 for Saad.

Well we kinda did for Polec no?

 

[Moti]

This kid has real talent. I assume it's the injury history that saw him delisted.

Yep, my dad loves him, exactly what we need

 

[The acurate one]

The Dees now have picks 26,43,68,69



26 + 43 = equiv pick 16

No it's not

 

[El Triggso]

That is not a great deal of extra points for them though. There is also the issue with matching draft pick numbers to available list positions, so the Bulldogs won't want a whole raft of draft picks or they'll end up with JUH and then half a dozen picks in the 60s - they will need a few draft picks in the 20s - 40s to pay for JUH.

We should be targeting that pick though. And I just don't think our trading needs to be that over complicated to get there (yes, I just said that):

1. Brown to Melbourne for 26 & 43. (Brown equiv. pick 16)

2. Higgins & 28 to Geelong for 20 & 38. (Higgins equiv. pick 28)

3. Picks 26, 38 & 43 to Bulldogs for pick 14. That's a 411 point gain to Bulldogs, so get a 2021 pick also coming back our way.

We have picks 2, 11, 14 & 20 (plus 63 & 71 which would end up probably around pick 50 by the time bids eat up a lot of picks). Job done.

Agree with your post, but I did say we would need to pony up something more. It’s just a matter of what additional points surplus is appropriate

 

[big_e]

That is not a great deal of extra points for them though. There is also the issue with matching draft pick numbers to available list positions, so the Bulldogs won't want a whole raft of draft picks or they'll end up with JUH and then half a dozen picks in the 60s - they will need a few draft picks in the 20s - 40s to pay for JUH.

We should be targeting that pick though. And I just don't think our trading needs to be that over complicated to get there (yes, I just said that):

1. Brown to Melbourne for 26 & 43. (Brown equiv. pick 16)

2. Higgins & 28 to Geelong for 20 & 38. (Higgins equiv. pick 28)

3. Picks 26, 38 & 43 to Bulldogs for pick 14. That's a 411 point gain to Bulldogs, so get a 2021 pick also coming back our way.

We have picks 2, 11, 14 & 20 (plus 63 & 71 which would end up probably around pick 50 by the time bids eat up a lot of picks). Job done.

Would prefer the actual pick 16, thanks.

 

[The Y Factor]

No it's not

Any news TAO?

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Would prefer the actual pick 16, thanks.

Well, yes, would want to be confident of rolling those picks into Bulldogs' pick 14 before just doing that Brown trade. I'd be very disappointed if that initial Brown trade went ahead and that was it.

 

[Dodecahedron]

Help me understand.
If Brown is offered $550K x 5 by the Dees but their offer back to North is sh1te then Brown can be walked to the PSD.
And then, if say Adelaide selects him but only offers $300K x 2 what then?

 

[blackshadow]

Help me understand.
If Brown is offered $550K x 5 by the Dees but their offer back to North is sh1te then Brown can be walked to the PSD.
And then, if say Adelaide selects him but only offers $300K x 2 what then?

If a player nominates for the PSD they set a contract price and clubs bidding have to match it.

 

[giantroo]

No it's not

 

[Shinboner1]

I'll take him regardless just to laugh in the clubs' faces who've tried to get the deal done for the past 2 weeks.

 

[Tas]

Am I wrong in thinking that treloar has had a history with hammys?

I dunno.

He has had a history of not being able to hit targets.

 

[big_e]

He does, but when he's on he's really on.
I suspect his injury issues are the main reason the pies have wanted to offload him.

Doesn't miss many games, though....

 

[F_therest]

Just an interesting North related tidbit from one of our posters:

"North Melbourne seem to have a desire to force Jed Anderson

17

Jed Anderson

Age

32

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

out.
They haven’t said this, but their contract offer suggests they value him as a 7th round pick."

Not sure if '7th round pick' is an exaggeration, but yeah suggesting North are lowballing him big time...but with all your outs who is the money going to??

 

[Tas]

That is not a great deal of extra points for them though. There is also the issue with matching draft pick numbers to available list positions, so the Bulldogs won't want a whole raft of draft picks or they'll end up with JUH and then half a dozen picks in the 60s - they will need a few draft picks in the 20s - 40s to pay for JUH.

We should be targeting that pick though. And I just don't think our trading needs to be that over complicated to get there (yes, I just said that):

1. Brown to Melbourne for 26 & 43. (Brown equiv. pick 16)

2. Higgins & 28 to Geelong for 20 & 38. (Higgins equiv. pick 28)

3. Picks 26, 38 & 43 to Bulldogs for pick 14. That's a 411 point gain to Bulldogs, so get a 2021 pick also coming back our way.

We have picks 2, 11, 14 & 20 (plus 63 & 71 which would end up probably around pick 50 by the time bids eat up a lot of picks). Job done.

Do we want 14? That is going to be pushed down with bidding, but picks in the second/third round will be used to pay for the majority of the academy signings. Ideally, we want to grab as many second/third round picks as we can and hope clubs like Dogs, Swans and others who will be cashing in picks to pay for academy players and have those picks consumed will draw up the remaining picks that haven't been used to pay for players.

In that regard it would benefit us to make sure all the academy players get bid on as high as possible to maximise the number of points required. If Pick 14 drops down 3 or 4 places and picks in the second round get pulled up 5 or 6 places as picks are cashed in then how much of a benefit is there really getting into the mid to late part of the first round?

 

[The Anvil]

Ok, my mate asked his Carlton contact about Jed.

They are very keen, mainly because they need some inside grunt support for Crisp cos he is getting battered.

His response verbatim regarding the likelihood of getting Jed:

"Going to struggle for Anderson because Dodoro's a c$%t!"

I would suggest it’s not Dodoro’s job to help Carlton.

As for Crisp, needs help due to getting battered? I’m glad Cunners isn’t this soft!


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[RossHenshaw]

I dunno.

He has had a history of not being able to hit targets.

Should fit right in with us then ...

 

[Psicosis]

Just an interesting North related tidbit from one of our posters:

"North Melbourne seem to have a desire to force Jed Anderson

17

Jed Anderson

Age

32

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

out.
They haven’t said this, but their contract offer suggests they value him as a 7th round pick."

Not sure if '7th round pick' is an exaggeration, but yeah suggesting North are lowballing him big time...but with all your outs who is the money going to??

I have no idea what our offer is and what Jed is asking for.

North want Jed to stay, but aren’t willing to pay him absurd coin (see Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

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7.7

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3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

).

Just because we have cap space, doesn’t mean we should overpay players. Sets a horrible precedence.

 

[1975]

I would suggest it’s not Dodoro’s job to help Carlton.

As for Crisp, needs help due to getting battered? I’m glad Cunners isn’t this soft!


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Afl media ask for a royal commission every time he is tackled.

 

[The Anvil]

I never do trade scenario's. They sh*t me. But:

• Melb(Josh Mahony) said Dees are after Brown, but Nth are not just after picks in return.
• Pies have cap issues and want to get rid of Treloar/Stephenson. We'd be interested in the later.
• We're trading Brown & Polec
• We also have cap space - more than most anyway

Therefore, is it possible we're looking to:

1. Trade Brown to Dees
2. Polec to Pies. We pay some salary
3. We get Stephenson and take some salary
4. Pies get Dees pick in the 20's and cheap Polec to offset Stephenson loss.
5. Later pick to us in return

Basically, we get Stephenson for Brown and Polec (who we don't want). Perhaps we get a pick in 30's as well? Worth considering? Just a thought.

Steep price for Stephenson, are we also funding his last friend from the hub?


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[F_therest]

I have no idea what our offer is and what Jed is asking for.

North want Jed to stay, but aren’t willing to pay him absurd coin (see Ben Brown

50

Ben Brown

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

).

Just because we have cap space, doesn’t mean we should overpay players. Sets a horrible precedence.

Of course shouldn't overpay. I guess it comes down to what the offer to Anderson from North is (which none of us know for sure).
Just passing on the info from one of our posters who seem to have links to our List Management team that they reckon the offer is really quite low.

 

[Tas]

Just an interesting North related tidbit from one of our posters:

"North Melbourne seem to have a desire to force Jed Anderson

17

Jed Anderson

Age

32

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

out.
They haven’t said this, but their contract offer suggests they value him as a 7th round pick."

Not sure if '7th round pick' is an exaggeration, but yeah suggesting North are lowballing him big time...but with all your outs who is the money going to??

According to his manager today, we are not far apart so I doubt we are offering him 7th round money.

 

[Istanbul Roo]

Surely we must get Treloar! Good player, gut runner, and a high disposal winner. He can replace Higgins.