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Bazzar said:
Stack personally had to apply for the G2G exemption and quarantine pass. Its a simple process that clearly sets out the conditions.

He knew he broke the "law" even the Belmont address was fake. It was family but they denied he was staying there.

Why people are still trying to defend his actions is bewildering .

Fact- Stack broke the "srict" WA state quarantine laws and like others that have broke them are paying the price either in jail or under police guard in hotel quarantine.

No one else is responsible or to blame.
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You have been scathing of Stack Bazzar, and yes, he didn’t follow the rules of his entry into WA. But you seem to want him gone? Regardless of what he discloses to the Club?
You do realise he’s an immature 20 year old who hasn’t had a great life out west, with seemingly poor associates over there helping lead him astray?
If he’s not prepared to draw a line now (after spending time behind bars), and commit to life as an AFL player with associated disciplines, then yes, I agree with you. But, we need to determine if he’s prepared to do what’s required from hereon, and even then, he may have an occasional slip up until he matures.
I just think he’s far too good of a player to let go, unless we determine he’s not prepared to do what’s required to reach his potential. Potential with an extraordinary ceiling imo.
 
Honestly I'm sick to death of the commentary that he's got massive talent and it's up to the club to turn him around.and we need to keep giving him chances .. Horsesh#t ..he's the Bernard tomic of footy all the talent in the world and not the sense or discipline to harness it... The world of sport is littered with these types, it's up to him to get his sh#t in one sock, no one else's ....
Also it seems to me he's a bit of a gobby smartarse.. He turned up at the club with a black eye which he claims was an accident... He gets into a punchup getting a kebab when he shouldn't have been there ... And now surprise surprise another punch up in Northbridge in another place where he shouldn't have been ..
You know the ones I feel sorry for... The Turner's and the English's of the sporting world.. Solid citizens who don't put a foot wrong but try there guts out and through an accident of birth just weren't quite talented enough to make it.... This guy Stack all the talent in the world and he's determined to piss it away..
Having said all that the club know a heap more than me and any decision they make I won't bitch about, but if they dump him I'm perfectly fine with that ...
 

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tigerfan1961 said:
You have been scathing of Stack Bazzar, and yes, he didn’t follow the rules of his entry into WA. But you seem to want him gone? Regardless of what he discloses to the Club?
You do realise he’s an immature 20 year old who hasn’t had a great life out west, with seemingly poor associates over there helping lead him astray?
If he’s not prepared to draw a line now (after spending time behind bars), and commit to life as an AFL player with associated disciplines, then yes, I agree with you. But, we need to determine if he’s prepared to do what’s required from hereon, and even then, he may have an occasional slip up until he matures.
I just think he’s far too good of a player to let go, unless we determine he’s not prepared to do what’s required to reach his potential. Potential with an extraordinary ceiling imo.
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So for you its an issue of him being immature, and "to good to let go" nobody is above the club. How many members does 37.5 thousand dollars represent?

For me its about living through an unessesary harsh lockdown because of an Incompitent clown, and if we had someone as on the ball and harsh as McGowan, 801 families would have had better Christmas, yet people are happy to give Stack a free pass breaking quarantine because he's a "promising young indigenous player for richmond"
 
tigerfan1961 said:
You have been scathing of Stack Bazzar, and yes, he didn’t follow the rules of his entry into WA. But you seem to want him gone? Regardless of what he discloses to the Club?
You do realise he’s an immature 20 year old who hasn’t had a great life out west, with seemingly poor associates over there helping lead him astray?
If he’s not prepared to draw a line now (after spending time behind bars), and commit to life as an AFL player with associated disciplines, then yes, I agree with you. But, we need to determine if he’s prepared to do what’s required from hereon, and even then, he may have an occasional slip up until he matures.
I just think he’s far too good of a player to let go, unless we determine he’s not prepared to do what’s required to reach his potential. Potential with an extraordinary ceiling imo.
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I read his second heartfelt apology , and am prepared to give him another go, until his third heartfelt apology, let’s face it the breaking of another young players jaw was so out of character, the kebab brawl was just so out of character, this breach and brawl was so out of character, he tells us do so we need to trust and believe him, when he ****s up next year and costs us points and or draft picks , the same Dorothy Dixer will be hanging the club
 
SunshineBoy said:
How long before we blame the airline, it’s WA fault. The polices fault, the managers fault, airlines must be about due
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I'm definitely having a go at his management. Cos if Stack ends up on a direct flight. He's not in jail. Peos' INSIDE 50 Player Management has come up short aspects on delivery of service to their client. Esp legal. They claim that they have expertise in indigenous (non indigenous) welfare. "They can be there as much as the client desires." As I say kudos to Peos for getting Stack a good contract. And for working on Stacks fitness for 2021. But prior to being drafted by Richmond would Stack have flown on his own? Or had to buy a plane ticket. 2019 Stack probably flew without the team once maybe twice. Then 2020 flies to Melbourne at start of season, stays in Melb the first COVID stop to the season.
I hope in 2021 Stack communicates with INSIDE 50 before travel. The fact that Stack is jailed demonstrates poor performance from the legal team. A barrister/solicitor should have been representing Stack when he appeared. And jail would not be the outcome. Club penalty of 4 more weeks.
Stack might just f up again some different way. Disregard for quarantine rules Two alcohol induced scraps/fights are not good at all. Esp when serving a 10 weeker. And TBH I think its borderline if he makes it with us now. But much learnings to be taken out of it.
 
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SunshineBoy said:
I read his second heartfelt apology , and am prepared to give him another go, until his third heartfelt apology, let’s face it the breaking of another young players jaw was so out of character, the kebab brawl was just so out of character, this breach and brawl was so out of character, he tells us do so we need to trust and believe him, when he fu**s up next year and costs us points and or draft picks , the same Dorothy Dixer will be hanging the club
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I've seen you mention this a few times. Obviously there are some 'softies', 'bleeding hearts' on here who's views don't appeal to you much. Anyway, I've never seen the term used in this context.

For the record: and I've said it before, I reckon he deserves to be cast adrift but I am hoping the club see it differently. In the end, for me, it depends on the morale of the team. Will he be welcomed back? If this issue causes division I think he needs to go.

Dorothy Dixer (plural Dorothy Dixers) (Australian politics) A question asked of a minister by a member of their own party, to give the minister the opportunity to promote the government 's work, criticise the opposition, etc.

And it's origins are: The term references American advice columnist Dorothy Dix's reputed practice of making up her own questions to allow her to publish more interesting answers.
 
Dunger said:
We do mind and take corona seriously, there's just an enormous amount of dumb campaigners here.

Stack would fit in well on that basis. The good thing about being a dumb campaigner is most of us learn from our mistakes and can graduate to being just a campaigner. I hope stacky learns from his mistakes, even if there's a few in a row that are significant.
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Bazzar said:
So for you its an issue of him being immature, and "to good to let go" nobody is above the club. How many members does 37.5 thousand dollars represent?

For me its about living through an unessesary harsh lockdown because of an Incompitent clown, and if we had someone as on the ball and harsh as McGowan, 801 families would have had better Christmas, yet people are happy to give Stack a free pass breaking quarantine because he's a "promising young indigenous player for richmond"
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I think you are getting off track here a bit Bazzar.

Stack’s level of talent and perceived potential should of course be taken into account in any decision the club makes regarding whether they keep him or sack him. He is after all a footballer. His level of wrongdoing should be taken into account. And his level of maturity and should be taken into account…because it is not unknown for young men to exercise very poor judgement and behaviour that is corrected as they mature. But by saying these things should be taken into account, should people really be taken to be arguing these should be the only things taken into account? Why should all relevant facts not be considered in any decision RFC makes regarding Stack?

The stuff about McGowan and an incompetent clown should be irrelevant to any decision RFC makes on Stack.

The stuff about 800 families and Christmas is also nothing to do with Stack.

And you call a couple of weeks in jail a free pass?

What course of action do you think the RFC should take other than to investigate all facts, consider the whole case on its merits including every relevant factor, then decide on the best course of action for the future?
 
Meteoric Rise said:
I think you are getting off track here a bit Bazzar.

Stack’s level of talent and perceived potential should of course be taken into account in any decision the club makes regarding whether they keep him or sack him. He is after all a footballer. His level of wrongdoing should be taken into account. And his level of maturity and should be taken into account…because it is not unknown for young men to exercise very poor judgement and behaviour that is corrected as they mature. But by saying these things should be taken into account, should people really be taken to be arguing these should be the only things taken into account? Why should all relevant facts not be considered in any decision RFC makes regarding Stack?

The stuff about McGowan and an incompetent clown should be irrelevant to any decision RFC makes on Stack.

The stuff about 800 families and Christmas is also nothing to do with Stack.

And you call a couple of weeks in jail a free pass?

What course of action do you think the RFC should take other than to investigate all facts, consider the whole case on its merits including every relevant factor, then decide on the best course of action for the future?
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This has nothing to do with Stack the footballer, its Stack the citizen who broke covid quarantine and his punishment is "no different " to others in the same situation.
 
Bazzar said:
This has nothing to do with Stack the footballer, its Stack the citizen who broke covid quarantine and his punishment is "no different " to others in the same situation.
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But Baz (my favourite two words it seems:D), this is a thread about Sydney Stack the Richmond Footballer. The Covid event and subsequent incarceration is an overlay on that and the discussion is generally about what that overlay might do to his career at Richmond, the 1/18th basis of this whole site.

Are you mixing this site up with your other favourite site "Get Dan the Man Sacked" site? ;)
 
Bazzar said:
This has nothing to do with Stack the footballer, its Stack the citizen who broke covid quarantine and his punishment is "no different " to others in the same situation.
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But it is very different from the punishment he'd receive in any other state. That is the point. I don't how many times it has to be said but he certainly deserves to be punished, but imprisonment for that particular transgression is ridiculously harsh. Also, the others who received similar punishment had much more severe breaches. By all means, fine the guy $$$$$, hurt his hip pocket but in reality, he posed no threat to anyone. He was COVID free and had literally no chance of acquiring the virus in Adelaide. The WA rules are draconian and by saying he deserves to be in jail for that you are basically agreeing to rules that state that anyone caught doing 65 in a 60 zone should also go to jail because that is the same threat he is posing to the community.
 

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Ancient Tiger said:
But it is very different from the punishment he'd receive in any other state. That is the point. I don't how many times it has to be said but he certainly deserves to be punished, but imprisonment for that particular transgression is ridiculously harsh. Also, the others who received similar punishment had much more severe breaches. By all means, fine the guy $$$$$, hurt his hip pocket but in reality, he posed no threat to anyone. He was COVID free and had literally no chance of acquiring the virus in Adelaide. The WA rules are draconian and by saying he deserves to be in jail for that you are basically agreeing to rules that state that anyone caught doing 65 in a 60 zone should also go to jail because that is the same threat he is posing to the community.
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I find it very strange those who downplay covid are the same people saying that Stack’s breach of covid laws warrant such a serious punishment given the impact it could have had if he was covid positive.

Impressive level of hypocrisy I must say
 
Ancient Tiger said:
But it is very different from the punishment he'd receive in any other state. That is the point. I don't how many times it has to be said but he certainly deserves to be punished, but imprisonment for that particular transgression is ridiculously harsh. Also, the others who received similar punishment had much more severe breaches. By all means, fine the guy $$$$$, hurt his hip pocket but in reality, he posed no threat to anyone. He was COVID free and had literally no chance of acquiring the virus in Adelaide. The WA rules are draconian and by saying he deserves to be in jail for that you are basically agreeing to rules that state that anyone caught doing 65 in a 60 zone should also go to jail because that is the same threat he is posing to the community.
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Fact is this isn't another state, its WA, they have there rules and Stack signed up to those rules via G2G and he deliberately broke that rule.
He was punished accordingly.

And your incorrect about others who had similar punishment had more severe breaches. So far 11 breaches similar I've come across.

The exact same day Stack was caught, a Russian FIFO worker left his 14 day G2G hotel quarantine twice, it was investigated and police took him to the watch house and magistrate denied bail. He's still in remand quarantine with Stack.

Call the restrictions draconian all you like, its simple, next time you vote in the WA state election vote against him and he will be gone.
 
Bazzar said:
Fact is this isn't another state, its WA, they have there rules and Stack signed up to those rules via G2G and he deliberately broke that rule.
He was punished accordingly.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Stack was on remand with bail refused - don't think he has had a chance to have his actions or inactions tested under law yet has he? He is set to reappear Jan6th or something around then.
 
Phar Ace said:
Correct me of I am wrong, but I thought Stack was on remand with bail refused - don't think he has had a chance to have his actions or inactions tested under law yet has he? He is set to reappear Jan6th or something around then.
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That’s not a stack issue
That’s a WA court issue and it’s wrong but he wouldn’t be in this situation if he didn’t break the rules in the first place...

You could even argue that if he had just stayed and isolated in the secondary address that he moved to he still wouldn’t be in this situation except he didn’t.
He went out on the piss and got into a fight... again

Don’t confuse the issues sounding the punishment with his breaking of the rules in the first place
 
Phar Ace said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Stack was on remand with bail refused - don't think he has had a chance to have his actions or inactions tested under law yet has he? He is set to reappear Jan6th or something around then.
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That's because he was "charged" with fail to comply with a direction. Still has to answer to that charge, and bail was refused because he didn't/hasn't an address to quarantine. His hearing is only one day after his quarantine expires.

That's his fault because he left that address, no one else's
 
Muddiemoose said:
That’s not a stack issue
That’s a WA court issue and it’s wrong but he wouldn’t be in this situation if he didn’t break the rules in the first place...

You could even argue that if he had just stayed and isolated in the secondary address that he moved to he still wouldn’t be in this situation except he didn’t.
He went out on the piss and got into a fight... again

Don’t confuse the issues sounding the punishment with his breaking of the rules in the first place
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Its been mentioned in the WA media he never stayed at the secondary address in Belmont. It is family, but they denied he stayed or had arranged to stay.
You cannot blame the police for deeming him a risk factor when completing mandatory quarantine that he had 5 days remaining.
 

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Bazzar said:
That's because he was "charged" with fail to comply with a direction. Still has to answer to that charge, and bail was refused because he didn't/hasn't an address to quarantine. His hearing is only one day after his quarantine expires.

That's his fault because he left that address, no one else's
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Stack ends up in jail/quarantine from December 19 to 6 Jan. 18 days.
 
Bazzar said:
Fact is this isn't another state, its WA, they have there rules and Stack signed up to those rules via G2G and he deliberately broke that rule.
He was punished accordingly.

And your incorrect about others who had similar punishment had more severe breaches. So far 11 breaches similar I've come across.

The exact same day Stack was caught, a Russian FIFO worker left his 14 day G2G hotel quarantine twice, it was investigated and police took him to the watch house and magistrate denied bail. He's still in remand quarantine with Stack.

Call the restrictions draconian all you like, its simple, next time you vote in the WA state election vote against him and he will be gone.
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It still doesn't make their rules correct. They are political rules and not safety rules. They give a false impression that the WA public ham up that they somewhat protect their state. They are fortunate that they live in the most isolated state in the country and hence have had the least chance to get COVID. I don't live there and thus, unfortunately, cannot vote the idiot out.
My argument here is that the rules are wrong. They are too harsh. They do not protect the state more than a hefty fine would. I have never argued that Stack hadn't broken the rules. I don't think Stack signed up to anything just as no one has signed up to any COVID rules anywhere. They have been forcefully imposed on us. Some are very good and serve to protect the community whilst others are there just to gain political popularity and serve no purpose in community safety. I'm calling them for what they are.
If you want to be a lap dog and have no spine to argue against unfair rules, well that's your prerogative.
On the other hand, many of us view some of these rules as a breach of human rights. Thrown in jail because of a one hour stopover in Adelaide is way over the top and should be called for what it is - a pathetic and cruel decision.
 
Bazzar said:
Its been mentioned in the WA media he never stayed at the secondary address in Belmont. It is family, but they denied he stayed or had arranged to stay.
You cannot blame the police for deeming him a risk factor when completing mandatory quarantine that he had 5 days remaining.
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Stack's no address & his melee arrest are completely on Stack. If he needed just 5 more days quarantine why jail him until the 6th? Ankle bracelet sounds more suitable.
 
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