Clement’s Public Lobbying To Keep FB Push-in-the-back Immunity. Self Interest or Good for the Game?

[makethat2]

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Only certain players are against it you'll notice i.e. the ones that will be effected the most i.e. old FB's that lack leg speed (e.g. Clement), and have been pushing FF's in the back for years to compensate. The younger, faster FB's ain't concerned at all. A good rule.

If Clement was so Slow Parrot how does he keep with the leading FF to Push him??? You don't realise it isn't the leading contest that this rule will effect but when a FF push's back on to a FB thats when players may come undone. My question is why reward a player for playing in front if thats not where the ball is going to be? Reward the player with the talent to read the play

 

[Tigeritis]

Re: Clement’s Public Lobbying To Keep Felf Interest or Good for the Game?

I think its great that a player has come out and said something about this rule, just wish a forward would do the same so that it doesn't look like backmen are whingers.

Very unlikely I would suspect.

 

[Tigeritis]

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You don't realise it isn't the leading contest that this rule will effect but when a FF push's back on to a FB thats when players may come undone.

It is the leading contest that this rule probably came about in the first place. Too many leading forwards get worked under the ball. At top pace it only takes a slight shove - albeit with good timing - to take the forward out of the contest and let the ball spill over the back.

If a FF is pushing back on a FB, all the FB has to do is stop and side step to even up the contest.

 

[doppleganger]

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If a FF is pushing back on a FB, all the FB has to do is stop and side step to even up the contest.

by moving aside they are giving away the best position, they may have read the ball better then the forward, are in an ideal position to mark the ball, but cant do anything to protect the space......except move out the way or try to chest the player who is backing into them

 

[Coin_Toss]

Re: Clement’s Public Lobbying To Keep FB Push-in-the-back Immunity.Self Interest Good for the Game?

Clement's a smart cookie and he won't be saying it for his own benefit. He is on The AFL Players Association (AFLPA) I believe, in his duty he needs to express his opinions forward to the AFL boss, with present and past players. To be honest with you - I don't understand why he needs to keep bringing up the hands-in-the-back rule - he's gone overboard in this matter.

 

[parrot]

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If Clement was so Slow Parrot how does he keep with the leading FF to Push him??? ..

Clement is slow. FB's with leg speed can keep up with FF's on the lead, i.e. don't have to run behind and lunge for a back push to put the FF off balance. If the FB was quick enough he should be able to get in front of the leading FF. Old, slowies, like Clement, and Micheal struggle against fast leading FF's, and need to push their opponents in the back to compensate for their deficiency.

 

[Tigeritis]

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by moving aside they are giving away the best position, they may have read the ball better then the forward, are in an ideal position to mark the ball, but cant do anything to protect the space......except move out the way or try to chest the player who is backing into them

I was referring to 2 stationary players.
If a forward is flying into the defenders space I would put the forearm up to protect the body and punch with the other.
Be interesting to see how it pans out. FB's just have to show more agility and a lot more smarts. So long Gaspar.

 

[parrot]

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Here's a nice example of what this new rule is targeting. Fast leading forward Fev, with Mal caught behind because of lack of leg speed. Mal pushes left hand into back of Fev to get him of balance. FB's like Mal and Clement have modeled their entire games on this footy-law loop-hole. About time it was stopped. What's wrong with a FB just going with the FF on the lead, and trying to outrun him? The younger FB's have absolutely no problem with this law.

 

[Coin_Toss]

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Clement is slow. FB's with leg speed can keep up with FF's on the lead, i.e. don't have to run behind and lunge for a back push to put the FF off balance. If the FB was quick enough he should be able to get in front of the leading FF. Old, slowies, like Clement, and Micheal struggle against fast leading FF's, and need to push their opponents in the back to compensate for their deficiency.

IF Clement is slow... How come he kept up with Mark Williams?

In all seriousness, he moves well and has clean foot skills under all sorts of pressure. His forte is not to get to the ball first, but to find a way to detract his opponent and no one does it better than him in the present day.

 

[peternorth]

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Mate asked the same question. i said "the new rule is a joke and that..."

stopped there because i was gonna say the games becoming like netball, only to remember that my mate plays netball.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

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Pushing in the back isn't a loophole in the laws of the game and never has been. Pushing in the back has never been allowed.

Hands in the back without pushing doesn't disadvantage the player in front, and therefore shouldn't be outlawed.

 

[peternorth]

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Pushing in the back isn't a loophole in the laws of the game and never has been. Pushing in the back has never been allowed.

Hands in the back without pushing doesn't disadvantage the player in front, and therefore shouldn't be outlawed.

agreed. a push has some intent. hands in the back without movement (hard to visualise i know) should be allowed.

 

[makethat2]

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It is the leading contest that this rule probably came about in the first place. Too many leading forwards get worked under the ball. At top pace it only takes a slight shove - albeit with good timing - to take the forward out of the contest and let the ball spill over the back.

If a FF is pushing back on a FB, all the FB has to do is stop and side step to even up the contest.

So judging by this call your saying next time judd burst's out of the pack he should slow down to even up the contest so taggers can catch him.

 

[parrot]

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... hands in the back without movement (hard to visualise i know) should be allowed.

Could you please explain why FB's need to place ".. hands in the back without movement.." ??? There is only ONE reason why FB's put hands on their opponents back - and that is to push them off balance i..e push in the back. It comes down to this. Clement wants to be able to push his FF opponent in the back without getting penalized. The new rule stops him from doing that, and he and MM don't like it. Hence the bleating on Channel Eddie. There isn't any more to it.

 

[The Grover]

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Everyone whinging should just get over it. Why don't backman just punch the ball when caught behind instead of marking it.

Isn't this what we were all taught when we started playing the game.

 

[parrot]

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Everyone whinging should just get over it. Why don't backman just punch the ball when caught behind instead of marking it.

Isn't this what we were all taught when we started playing the game.

Exactly.

 

[FixterFan]

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It is the leading contest that this rule probably came about in the first place. Too many leading forwards get worked under the ball. At top pace it only takes a slight shove - albeit with good timing - to take the forward out of the contest and let the ball spill over the back.

If a FF is pushing back on a FB, all the FB has to do is stop and side step to even up the contest.

That's their fault for going full tilt at the ball to try to get the mark uncontested without thinking of balance and possible contact. The FF should go slower, say at 80% pace, and then rely on outbodying or outjumping the defender at the last moment for the mark.

Everyone whinging should just get over it. Why don't backman just punch the ball when caught behind instead of marking it.

Isn't this what we were all taught when we started playing the game.

Try to spoil a lowish incoming ball where you have to reach around a player from behind, without any incidental contact to the back of the player in front, and without chopping the arms. It's hard to do, and the umpire hasn't got a chance of seeing amongst the flurry of movement whether there's been any contact in the back or not.

 

[jacko57]

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I can just imagine SOS playing in today's game. He'd be just an average footballer.

I think it's unfair to suggest that SOS relied in pushing-in-the-back to out-position his opponents.

He was far more likely to employ the sleeper hold or the half-nelson.