Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[hey shorty]

I think he's happy playing SANFL, especially as he's still got a six figure salary coming in for this year and next. Will likely win a flag for the Eags this year.

I get he's happy in the SANFL, we gave him the option to do so.

 

[BACCS]

I think he's happy playing SANFL, especially as he's still got a six figure salary coming in for this year and next. Will likely win a flag for the Eags this year.

I can’t imagine he’s on six figures, would surely be a reduced contract.

 

[jackster83]

I can’t imagine he’s on six figures, would surely be a reduced contract.

I doubt it. He'll be getting 100% and in turn we get him off the list.

 

[hey shorty]

I doubt it. He'll be getting 100% and in turn we get him off the list.

Still not good enough really.

 

[arrowman]

I doubt it. He'll be getting 100% and in turn we get him off the list.

Looks like we didn't have strong enough grounds to unilaterally terminate his contract. What we apparently offered was in effect a full-season suspension (from the AFL) and he knocked that back, he wants out altogether. Which I can understand.

We can't officially delist him until the end of the year. He's gone, and will be placed on the inactive list - but he's still on our list as far as the AFL is concerned.

- And his contract runs to end of 2022, which means we're paying him in 2022 as well... and if he gets picked up by another club for 2022, if we've delisted him... double pay??

If he wanted to cut ties, why the **** are we paying any of his salary.

This is the bit I'm struggling with.
So, if we said "you stay on the list, you get paid, but you won't get selected for the seniors" (i.e. a club suspension, effectively) "and after 2021 we'll revisit". And he says "yeah nah, not going to do that, I want out".... surely that's him terminating his contract, and he's not entitled to a payout?

Or maybe the AFLPA be all like "you can't do that to a player, he has to be free to cut ties and play for another club (albeit SANFL)"...

 

[hey shorty]

Looks like we didn't have strong enough grounds to unilaterally terminate his contract. What we apparently offered was in effect a full-season suspension (from the AFL) and he knocked that back, he wants out altogether. Which I can understand.


- And his contract runs to end of 2022, which means we're paying him in 2022 as well... and if he gets picked up by another club for 2022, if we've delisted him... double pay??


This is the bit I'm struggling with.
So, if we said "you stay on the list, you get paid, but you won't get selected for the seniors" (i.e. a club suspension, effectively) "and after 2021 we'll revisit". And he says "yeah nah, not going to do that, I want out".... surely that's him terminating his contract, and he's not entitled to a payout?

Or maybe the AFLPA be all like "you can't do that to a player, he has to be free to cut ties and play for another club (albeit SANFL)"...

Then we had better be paying AFL minimum wage.

Which we won't

 

[Anzacpaul]

Would imagine he'd only be getting base salary, excluding any performance based incentives.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think he's happy playing SANFL, especially as he's still got a six figure salary coming in for this year and next. Will likely win a flag for the Eags this year.

Care to share your source?

All I can find is " Both parties have now agreed to a settlement, with the terms to remain confidential." on the AFC statement.

So either
1. Someone has broken confidentiality or
2. Someone is making stuff up...
3. or you're directly involved (refer point 1)

 

[Geoffa32]

Perhaps he wanted to cut ties with AFC
After his behaviour a fresh start with another SANFL club maybe mentally more practical in moving forward
Softens the Shame job factor

Less of a commitment to training at an SANFL club?

You would think if he wanted back into the AFL he would want to stay with us. Train full time (use our facilities and staff) and only play SANFL. Be back in the AFL in 2022.


Seems his AFL career is done, and he knows it.

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[Jinglebells32]

Nope, 1 spent the night drinking before he turned up to work. Boss smelt it and reported it to his boss. Tested him. Two of the others got done when Train Control directed the train into a siding where the RBT boys were waiting to test them. Done!. The others were busted by random RBTs. These were known for their drinking. Same with the 3 smokers. Turned up for their shift and RBT blokes were waiting there. Gone!. 0.00 limit is tough to beat.

I may know some of them. I used to work for AN back before it was all privatised. Passenger attendant on the Ghan, Indian Pacific & Overland.

 

[hey shorty]

Kelly reckons he's a chance to get picked up in the mid season draft.

You'd expect if that's the case we wouldn't have to pay him.

 

[Vader]

- And his contract runs to end of 2022, which means we're paying him in 2022 as well... and if he gets picked up by another club for 2022, if we've delisted him... double pay??

Yes... we're paying out both years of his contract. My guess is that he's not getting 100%, but 80% would be a reasonable estimate.

While we're paying him out for 2022, we can delist him at the end of 2021.

Gibbs is still on our list because we couldn't afford to include his 2021 salary under the 2020 cap. Presumably we do have enough space in the 2021 cap to include Stengle's 2022 salary. Not unreasonable, given that Stengle's salary would be much lower, and there being fewer highly paid players to fit under the cap this year.

 

[relapse]

Kelly reckons he's a chance to get picked up in the mid season draft.

You'd expect if that's the case we wouldn't have to pay him.

We offered for him to stay on our list until the end of 2022, but spend 2021 in the SANFL at the Eagles to get himself sorted out away from the club.

He didn't want to do it so I would imagine that he's voluntarily terminated the contract himself which would more than likely mean that we most probably are not paying him anything or we've agreed on a greatly reduced settlement figure.

 

[GrommoT]

Who we also have to pay.

Well, it's actually the ∀FL who pays (I believe) and comes out of the TPP, which we ought to be able to cover at the moment.

I think the most significant thing is the free list spot allowing us to pick up another potential draftee mid-season ** (or end of year) to churn through.


Ed. what Vader said.

 

[Vader]

Here's the section from the current AFL Player Rules document, which describes the Delisting of Players

17. Delisting of Players
(a) No Player shall be delisted from the List of an AFL Club from the period immediately following the Pre-Season Draft until 31 October the following year without the consent of the AFL General Counsel.
(b) Each AFL Club agrees to follow the procedure relating to delisting of a Player as follows:
(i) the Player after being given reasonable notice of the time, date and place of the meeting, will meet with the senior coach, football manager or other person nominated by the Club who will inform the Player, on an individual basis, that the Club has decided to delist the Player and the reasons the Club has for delisting the Player;
(ii) unless otherwise agreed, details of the discussions taken place under clause 17(b)(i) will be kept confidential;
(iii) should the Player fail to meet an appointment reasonably made by the Club for the purposes set out in clause 17(b)(i), the Club may inform the Player of that Player’s delisting in such other manner determined by the Club;
(iv) after the Club has advised the Player of his delisting, the Club will arrange for the Player to meet with the Club’s Player Development Manager or similar personnel as soon as practicable;
(v) the Player Development Manager will provide the Player with information regarding the career transition process that the Club has in place;
(vi) AFLPA shall provide each Club with an information booklet which outlines the career transition services available to Players through the AFLPA and the Club shall pass this information onto the Player;
(vii) the Player Development Manager will, with the Player’s consent, immediately contact the nominated AFLPA Representative and inform that person of the details of the Player’s delisting;
(viii) AFLPA shall encourage all delisted Players to commit to a career transition consultation with a qualified careers consultant;
(ix) each Club shall arrange at its cost for a termination medical to be conducted on the Player and the Club shall provide the Player with details of the Player’s hospital and medical insurance including the name of the insurer, the level of cover and the expiry date of the policy. The Player shall be obliged to attend the medical examination at a time and place and with a doctor to be mutually agreed to between the Player and the Club and in any event as soon as practicable after the delisting of the Player. A copy of the medical report shall be forwarded to the Player and the Club shall not release the medical report to any other person unless the Player agrees in writing or unless the Club is otherwise required to disclose the medical report to the AFL as part of the AFL’s duty of disclosure to the AFL’s insurer;
(x) an AFL Club shall be liable/responsible for reimbursing a Player the Gap and any other costs, not covered by private health insurance, upon production of relevant receipts or other proof of payment, reasonably incurred by the Player within 18 months of delisting from his AFL Club in the treatment of injuries that are identified in that Player’s exit medical as injuries incurred whilst playing football, whilst training for football or whilst engaged in activities authorised by the AFL Club, provided the Player follows all reasonable directions as to rehabilitation from the Club or his treating doctor.
(c) Each Club must immediately delist a Player who has terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause.

I was previously operating under the assumption that we wouldn't be able to delist him before 31 October, as per clause a). If the club has obtained the permission of the AFL General Counsel, then all bets are off.

 

[spenze]

I doubt it. He'll be getting 100% and in turn we get him off the list.

Reading the above post with him refusing to stay on our list but never playing in the 1s, he has had to take a reduced payout. I mean, we are well within our rights to just hold him on a list and not have him play, we are paying him and holding our end of the contract up. If he wanted out, he had to give something up.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

So, no-one here actually knows the settlement terms. Surprising.

 

[Mutineer]

So the sticking spot was Tyson wanted to play AFL this season for the Crows whereas the club would only keep him on the list if he was prepared to play for the Eagles and prove himself throughout 2021 to be reinstated to the playing group in 2022. So the ball was firmly in Tyson and his management's court.

I don't think the club's actions from what Adam Kelly just said are unreasonable.

 

[Peter Doherty]

So, no-one here actually knows the settlement terms. Surprising.

Settlement terms are completely 100% confidential.... so now I'll speculate on the outcome based on my pre-existing view of the club....

Insert.....'We can't do anything right, paying him 100% for 2 years and he plays for another club' or 'tiny pay out, we move him on and frees up a list spot, happy days'.

 

[Bovo]

Good!! The last loose end sorted before the season starts. Both parties can now move on and get on with it!!

 

[Vader]

So... pretty much the only thing I got wrong, way back earlier in the thread, was that he would be allowed to play SANFL - whereas I said he'd only be allowed to play ammos (because I didn't think they'd want him playing against a Crows team). I think there are a few people who owe me apologies...

 

[GrommoT]

Here's the section from the current AFL Player Rules document, which describes the Delisting of Players

I was previously operating under the assumption that we wouldn't be able to delist him before 31 October, as per clause a). If the club has obtained the permission of the AFL General Counsel, then all bets are off.

Have we actually "terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause" with the settlement? Which would mean clause (c) comes into effect.


(c) Each Club must immediately delist a Player who has terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause.

 

[Deaneus!]

I wish I could get paid to not play AFL footy and just Take copious amounts of drugs for two years, that sounds awesome!

 

[arrowman]

Have we actually "terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause" with the settlement? Which would mean clause (c) comes into effect.


(c) Each Club must immediately delist a Player who has terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause.

I think that clause refers to when a player terminates his contract, not the club. In this case, I wonder if the club offered "stay on the list, but no AFL games (or indeed SANFL, for the Crows) in 2021" and Stengle said no to that - which is him terminating, not us.

 

[MrBarry]

So the sticking spot was Tyson wanted to play AFL this season for the Crows whereas the club would only keep him on the list if he was prepared to play for the Eagles and prove himself throughout 2021 to be reinstated to the playing group in 2022. So the ball was firmly in Tyson and his management's court.

I don't think the club's actions from what Adam Kelly just said are unreasonable.

Now that I've seen this, I'm less pissed off at the club and actually think Stengle might genuinely be a bad egg.