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Are Carlton the least successful team of the 21st century (excl. GCS)? I think they might be the only ones not to make a PF?
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Are Carlton the least successful team of the 21st century (excl. GCS)? I think they might be the only ones not to make a PF?
Surprised we beat Carlton. Lost Sheppard early on top of no Kennedy, Oscar Allen, Shuey, Kelly, McGovern, Duggan, Brander.. We had a bunch of young kids playing who had played so few games and if I'm honest a few of these young kids havent shown much when they have played.
H.Edwards had played just 4 games.
L.Edwards was on debut.
Foley had played just 2 games.
O'Niell just 9 games under his belt.
Williams just the same 7 total games.
J.Jones just 13 games.
Playing away from home too I expected us to lose.
Bit of both. Our best +contested possessions on the season and our 2nd best +clearances on the season.Carlton lost it rather than you won it IMO. Carlton were awful.
Anyone read 'The Boys Club' by Mick Warner yet?
Wondering whether it's worth the read
Bit of both. Our best +contested possessions on the season and our 2nd best +clearances on the season.
Considering they were good in the 90s* to be better H2H than hardly anyone is pathetic.
Have not been able to build a good list after their bribe the league for a good zone and get the cheque book out for marquee signings method to flags was made redundant.
I mean the draft from inception through to the early-mid 90s was not the primary method to get your best players. Have they built a good list since then?
Funnily enough the only half decent list they've had this century was after going back to their messiah principles from the chequebook era and signing Judd.
On my list, apparently its worth the read.Anyone read 'The Boys Club' by Mick Warner yet?
Wondering whether it's worth the read
Hold on for another month Teags. We love being the one's to get a coach sacked.
More analhurt from me calling him out as a Levy nuffy than 95 imoIs there any reason why Carlton trigger you as much as they do?
I mean you’ve said plenty of times that Carlton breached the salary cap in 1995 and “1995*“ but the league - the only opinion that counts - have said that 1995 was above board and 1999-2002 were when the salary cap breaches began. But you still seem to be triggered by Carlton like we stole a flag from you in 1995, lol. Since 2007 to now, Carlton haven’t been close to Geelong as a football club and Carlton still triggers you more than anyone else.
These very rarely end in a coach sacking.
But generally the coach isn't absolutely hopeless when the review is undertaken so who knows what it means for teague.
About time we get some external help to identify problem areas. From afar the likes of Brad Lloyd, Andrew Russell, John Barker, Brent Stanton, Dale Amos and the club medical staff will be most likely to have their papers stamped.
Blah blah blah. You were over the cap for most of the nineties and we’re meant to accept that the investigations led by Demetriou and co were kosher.Is there any reason why Carlton trigger you as much as they do?
I mean you’ve said plenty of times that Carlton breached the salary cap in 1995 and “1995*“ but the league - the only opinion that counts - have said that 1995 was above board and 1999-2002 were when the salary cap breaches began. But you still seem to be triggered by Carlton like we stole a flag from you in 1995, lol. Since 2007 to now, Carlton haven’t been close to Geelong as a football club and Carlton still triggers you more than anyone else.
Blah blah blah. You were over the cap for most of the nineties and we’re meant to accept that the investigations led by Demetriou and co were kosher.
Were over the cap in 93 and in 95 were making illegal payments to players. That is a fact.
Blues busted over secret payments to Williams
www.smh.com.au
But it really is you that is triggered RPCB. I was answering a question about Carlton’s lack of success. You have not compiled a good list via the draft since the AFL moved away from zones and cheque books. Refute that if you can, there’s 20+ years of evidence that says it is true.
Geelong has admitted to sourcing a legal substance from a company connected to Stephen Dank to inject into injured players during the 2009 season, the year the club won the second premiership of its dynasty.
Following reports that the AFL anti-doping tribunal had found that former Cats employee Dean Robinson used the services of Dank — the controversial sports scientist at the centre of the Essendon drugs scandal – while at the Cats, the club released a statement on Monday night clarifying the connection.
In 2007 Max Rooke was sent to Germany to undertake treatment on his hamstring injury. He visited Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth, a world leader in the treatment of soft-tissue injuries. Part of that treatment was the injecting of Actovegin to treat the injury, a fact that was widely reported in the media at time," the statement said.
The success of this treatment led the club's medical staff to use Actovegin to treat other soft tissue injuries.
See. You’re the triggered one.I agree. Blah blah blah.
So you are thinking that Demetriou who gave Carlton massive fines in 2002 actually didn’t do a thorough investigation in 1995? As your useless link states, Carlton were over in 1993 and fined in 1994. “Between 1993 and 1995” is all you have, pretty much useless since the fine was for 1993.
Oooh look, I have my own link too.
Geelong admits to sourcing drug from Stephen Dank during 2009 premiership year
Geelong have admitted to sourcing a drug from Stephen Dank to give players in 2009, the year the club won the second premiership of its dynasty.www.theage.com.au
So Rooke was treated with an illegal substance in 2007 (only became legal in 2009) and Geelong sourced it in 2007 when it was successful treating Rookie? Maybe I should start writing “2007*” then. At least the weird connection between Geelong, Dank and Robinson should be called into question. Maybe Dank/Robinson in 2008/2009 didn’t only inject Geelong players with Actovegin.
You can take any link whichever way you want but to think Geelong has been clean throughout their history is just plain ignorance. The difference between Carlton and Geelong is that the AFL media and supporters at large give zero fu**s about Geelong
See. You’re the triggered one.
I show an article stating (and investigated by the ATO no less) illegal payments.
You respond with links about Robinson who there is no evidence to suggest wrong doing before Essendon.
Cleared by ASADA for actovegin use. Because Rooke was administered it in the method that is legal.
What drugs are they on about?
amp.theage.com.au
So rather than bringing up tenuous links to try and prove something already disproven about my club, merely to refute something proven about yours,
care to stop deflecting about the question asked?
That Carlton through the draft has built a good team.
So let’s recap RPCB
I answer question about Carlton list building and mention the 90s*…
You jump to the conclusion it was about 95. If I meant 95 I would have said so.
Offer up some defence of 95.
Illegal payments that year are shown.
You don’t refute that and merely go on a rant about a drug that was legal and cleared for use.
All the while ignoring the key question at hand regarding Carlton list building.
Are you ok?
That you bring up Hocko is just awesome. You are aware Dean Robinson wanted us to employ Dank?Thats brilliant lol. As long as Geelong always refute claims brought against them and “we’ve self reported to (current AFL General Manager of Football Operation and former Geelong head of football) Steven Hocking”, nothing to ever see here.
That you bring up Hocko is just awesome. You are aware Dean Robinson wanted us to employ Dank?
He was interviewed by Hocking who told the hierarchy he was dodgy and we should stay away. LOL.
Go higher. The successful clubs of recent times have stable leadership.It’s not a question of “Carlton are 4-8, they are sh*t”, it’s a question of “why are Carlton 4-8?”. Coaching? Development? Something else? Through the draft, Carlton have selected Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Charlie Curnow, Walsh. As good as any made from the years they have come from. 2016 (Dow and O’Brien) and 2017 (Petrevski-Seton) look to be write offs and two of them (I will predict that Dow won’t be incited included) look to be traded this year. TDK came from 2017 and he is a good developing ruckman. I really like the look of Stocker and I think Kemp will be a very good player. But these players are all high draft picks. Where the club have failed through the draft is when you get into the 2nd and 3rd round. I think there is a lot of talent on the list but the coaching and development is sub standard. You might think that’s an excuse it all starts with coaching and development
Go higher. The successful clubs of recent times have stable leadership.
Carlton is still run behind the scenes by the Pratt family and Mathieson.
Leads to poor standards and accountability and sub-standard appointments.
Got to get the off-field right.
Good on him