List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Chef Ratts]

Did you come in to try to flog off Dylan Shiel?

 

[St Kilda Death]

Explain what impact Wallis, JUH and Sam Darcy are having for this current dogs team. And wasn't hunter not bid on until round 3?

Also claiming that drafting Coffield was the right call because you avoided draft busts is laughable. He's no better than Fogarty. It's a lot easier getting touches playing in defense. Just ask Bailey Dale. And the excuse your team passed on Naughton was the right call because you had Carlisle doesn't sit well either. I didn't realise you only need one key defender at AFL level.

Your opinion:

 

[Diehard Saint]

Different players but Byrnes looks superior.

Right now. But both still babes in term of experience. Both should hopefully be demanding spots for the majority of games this season.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Seems to me that the most important selection Melbourne has made in the past few years happened in August 2019.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Different players but Byrnes looks superior.

I have been a huge Byrnes fan from day one but IMO Leo will be the best out of the three of them , has more tricks than all of them

 

[St Kilda Death]

Remember pushing Goddard out the door to get the Tom Lee & Hickey deals?

though to be fair I think our salary cap was as full as this guys guts at the time.

 

[CaptainRisky]

No where credible by any means of the imagination. Just wondering if there was any meat to it. Seems like it’s all bone atm.

Mate , if you believe half the stuff on here you will send yourself mental , there are a lot of darts getting thrown in here

 

[snails13]

Where did you hear that ?
The only talk about him has been on here

Watched Sth Freo v Claremont yesty live on Facebook and he was ok without being damaging.13 or 14 Disposals max I reckon

 

[Murraj1966]

Explain what impact Wallis, JUH and Sam Darcy are having for this current dogs team. And wasn't hunter not bid on until round 3?

Also claiming that drafting Coffield was the right call because you avoided draft busts is laughable. He's no better than Fogarty. It's a lot easier getting touches playing in defense. Just ask Bailey Dale. And the excuse your team passed on Naughton was the right call because you had Carlisle doesn't sit well either. I didn't realise you only need one key defender at AFL level.

On your bike to the safe injection room

 

[MightySaint]

I don’t see the potential in Bytel that others do. He looks slow & one dimension. His ceiling looks to be Seb Ross or Dunstan IMO.

He's got 2 tricks at afl level we've seen so far: excellent kicking skills and a good step. Doesn't mean much if he can't find it, but I'm hopeful the vfl games show that won't be an issue. I don't see Ross and Dunstan as good comps purely because he is a great user of the ball.
Edit: he's also very dual sided and clean on his left. Huge advantage.

 

[BrutThough]

I have been a huge Byrnes fan from day one but IMO Leo will be the best out of the three of them , has more tricks than all of them

Leo looks most likely to be out of the AFL system in 2 years. Had the least impact of all our kids in the games he has played.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes but I understand that our recruiters from the start saw Allison as an elite CHB, and that's how they've been training him since he came through the door. Now if in two years time he and Howard are the pillars of our defence for the next 5 to 8 years, will people be offering retrospective compliments on the draft selection? Given they just delisted Clav, I would say that supports what role they see Allison developiing into in the future.

He was a forward that we wanted as a KPB despite being Battle sized which we don't think is big enough? They must be smarter than I am.

 

[BrutThough]

He was a forward that we wanted as a KPB despite being Battle sized which we don't think is big enough? They must be smarter than I am.

He's bigger than Battle, more athletic, has speed and is a very beautiful kick.

Needs some time to develop because he is far from the finished product, but he has all the tools.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Leo looks most likely to be out of the AFL system in 2 years. Had the least impact of all our kids in the games he has played.

And you come here making out you know everything and then say that , lol

 

[BrutThough]

And you come here making out you know everything and then say that , lol

Byrnes, Bytel and Sharman all had multiple games that were better and more impactful than the best game that Connolly played this year.

 

[FootyMaster11]

Leo looks most likely to be out of the AFL system in 2 years. Had the least impact of all our kids in the games he has played.

That's a very big call, I'm bullish on him and think he could end up like Sinclair, just the way he moves, and kicks the ball, shows a lot of class and similarities. Looks to take the game on as well, something that not many of our players do at the moment.

 

[hangdog]

and to think that the best St Kilda father/son pick in the last 30 years is playing with Melbourne.

Bailey Rice?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Well you will eat your words in seasons to come.

Has played less than 20 games, give him a go.

Hope so

 

[gringo2011]

I won’t argue the 2 best midfields are in the grand final, that’s fact.

but let’s not act like these 2 clubs are genius recruiters.
There is a lot of luck involved.

dogs:
Libba, hunter, Wallis, JUH, now Sam Darcy, all gifts from the AFL system that is yet to throw a bone our way.

2018 they took smith in a great top 10 class, we got King so no complaints.

2017 there was a clear top 5, classically we sat at 7 and 8, got our pick of the next half dozen did well with Clark/coff avoided busts in bonar/Fogarty. We weren’t in the market for a CHB prior to Carlisle injury, dogs took naughton as their midfield was already full of guns.

blessed with the #4 pick2013 in a year where there was a clear set in stone top 3.
If they finished below us, they would have taken Billings 100% as he was the best bet to be a 200 gamer after Kelly.
It wasn’t recruiting genius it was just great luck.

also blessed in 2012 when the had 5 and 6..... weak draft,
SOS took orourke and plowman.
Fellow genius recruiters Melbourne took Toumpas.
Let macrae and stringer fall right in the dogs lap.


Credit where it’s due to Melbourne, they came out of 2019 with the best ruck and best small forward (Jackson and Pickett) but they were able to do that because mids already set.

they got Oliver at 4 but would have taken shache if they were at 2.

we took paddy and allowed them to get the 2 best mids that year in trac and Angus at 2/3.

they also used high picks on hogan, Toumpas, cook, gysberts, Trengove, watts, blease, Morton, grimes, traded a 12 for Mitch Clark. All busts.

viney father son gift.

We really haven't nailed drafts since we got Brendan Goddard though, there is luck and then there is incompetence. Melbourne and Dogs have busts but when they get them right they get them really right. We've blown a multitude of drafts and traded out of others and have **** all to show for it. Even Carlton have nailed some of their firsts in Walsh and McKay types. We have to get that right or we will sit in this 9th to 15th range for ever.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Byrnes, Bytel and Sharman all had multiple games that were better and more impactful than the best game that Connolly played this year.

Did you even read my post , i said will end up better , i wasn't talking about who played the better games this year , its called vision .
Sharman wasn't even in the conversation so no idea why you brought that up

 

[SaintJunior]

Explain what impact Wallis, JUH and Sam Darcy are having for this current dogs team. And wasn't hunter not bid on until round 3?

Also claiming that drafting Coffield was the right call because you avoided draft busts is laughable. He's no better than Fogarty. It's a lot easier getting touches playing in defense. Just ask Bailey Dale. And the excuse your team passed on Naughton was the right call because you had Carlisle doesn't sit well either. I didn't realise you only need one key defender at AFL level.

Spot on about defence being easy just ask Jayden Laverde and James Stewart.

 

[jwikked]

Leo looks most likely to be out of the AFL system in 2 years. Had the least impact of all our kids in the games he has played.

He’s one of our only players capable of playing with flair and backing himself to win contests. No idea where you got that opinion on him, the guy looks better than the player we have who’s name I can’t remember. Starts with B and got dropped for most of the year lol

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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though to be fair I think our salary cap was as full as this guys guts at the time.

At the time i'd noticed that Ben Brown had been tipped to go early in the 2011 draft, but he did his ACL.
By 2012 he was playing for Glenorchy, and was moving well and rucking , and kicking lots of goals.
I thought we should rookie him.

The knock. Oh he's only playing Tassie football. Well yeah, but he'd been in the 18 championship a couple of years earlier.
Anyway, Ben went undrafted and had to play for Werribbee to get noticed again. And we took Lee.
Sometimes i don't know if afl talent spotters are too smart or too dumb.

By the same token, some of the kids who missed the 2020 draft might be more than handy.

 

[triggering bro]

It's worth noting that most times he's been given the job of running with the oppo's best mid for his development, and when let off the leash in VFL he's been destroying it.
IMHO he's ceiling could be multiple AA, and his disposal is already nudging elite so comparisons with Seb or Dunny just don't fit.
My hope is that when the coaches are happy with his defensive game they'll let him loose to play his attacking game which is his strength. Ideally he plays round 1 after a big off-season.

I hope you are right but on exposed form he looks like a GOP which reflects the position he was selected at which is usually a hit & miss pick.

Possibly unfairly I am comparing him with other players from his draft class that were selected earlier…but kind of reinforces my point.

 

[BrutThough]

Did you even read my post , i said will end up better , i wasn't talking about who played the better games this year , its called vision .
Sharman wasn't even in the conversation so no idea why you brought that up

I did read it. Just listed Sharman because I was naming the kids who played this year.

Judging by their performances this year and taking into account the 'potential' of them all, I think Connolly is the least likely of all our kids to make it long term.