List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

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13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I would of preferred to give that to Chol than Billings
Chol could of cemented a KPD role as well as a ruck option. the one thing we really need.

Chol wanted to move back with his family.

We would have had to pay significantly more than that to even get his attention.


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[Captain Paddy]

Damn this Dunston situation is looking quite the debacle. Can’t imagine him coming back after what he’s said publicly though.

That's a shame

 

[Joffaboy]

Can I ask where the info of the deal being 3 years with a trigger is coming from?

Everything I've read and heard has suggested it's a 4 year deal, including Ratten when he announced it on SEN

Could be right there. the Contract is four years, and the reports were it was a much lower base and triggers which may have been mistaken for the fourth year when it meant $$$, so 4 years straight up on a low base is probably it not 3 and 1

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

That is why the Tom Phillips comparison is more realistic re: Billings.

Petracca is a Best & Fairest winner, 2 Time All Australian & now a Norm Smith medal winner in probably the greatest ever display in a GF ever by a player

But, nah, compare him to Jack Billings…. Terrible comparison

Edit: I believe he’s been criminally overrated by our fans for years. Certainly not a whipping boy for me, just another player in the list that people get sucked in by because he was a pick 3 chosen between Josh Kelly & Marcus Bontempelli, and hold out some unrealistic hope that he will be as good as them. He won’t

If there’s one thing that Jack Billings hasn’t been its being over rated by supporters.

Has copped it pretty much non stop since 2014. Had a few moments when others took the heat but has been unfairly bagged IMO (especially the BS about him being soft & scared).


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[hayes]

Ross has re-signed for 2 years:

 

[bird_man]

Ross has signed his contract

2 years

 

[pebblesofsand]

Not irrelevant at all.

Sounds like they had an honest adult conversation. Both agreed it would be best for Luke's career if he could find another club.

He said himself he wouldn't take a deal if it was offered to him. That's his choice.

Unfortunately it sounds like that's not as easy as Luke hoped.

I don't doubt they had an honest adult conversation at the start of the season but I think you'll find it broke down completely after Dunstan was dropped for the last game.

That just confirmed that irrespective of how he played, the coach didn't rate him. Just like most people, I'd have spat the dummy in that situation.

Like I said - not a problem if your midfield is so great that we can afford be in a position to p*** off a player like Dunstan so much that we aren't able to even offer him a "depth" contract.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Billings been injured for ages, one of those was plantar

Ladhams is trouble, that's why he is out, dont want

Bings coming next year

Get windhager

Gresh up fwd thanks but short stints in the guts

 

[Pardon me]

Good news re Ross.

 

[bird_man]

Unfortunately we've picked the worst year to try and get back into the draft.

Looks like we will see very little player movement compared to recent years.

I think the most likely way we see another pick before our NGA's is if we split our first pick unfortunately.

 

[Joffaboy]

If there’s one thing that Jack Billings hasn’t been its being over rated by supporters.

Has copped it pretty much non stop since 2014. Had a few moments when others took the heat but has been unfairly bagged IMO (especially the BS about him being soft & scared).


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Still reckon the softest and most scared player in the AFL is tougher and harder than anybody on here by a country mile.

Oh and this is not directed at you W2L but can we please stop the Billings to Petracca comparison even if it is stats. They play a completely differnet game in a different position and basically Billings is not as good a player anyway.

After the years of Billing v Bont, do we need to torture ourselfs comparing him to the other player we didn't select?

 

[Joffaboy]

Ross has re-signed for 2 years:

Means he got a reality check like Billings. No currency.

So out of Battle and Long to get us a better draft hand.

 

[Bill Mohr]

I'm with you on this one. But 4 years is too long. I appreciate his "loyalty" but it's probably more due to the fact that no other team rates him beyond a certain price range than anything else. Personally I see little value in what he does, other than the very rare occasions he actually decides to turn up...and what's that, once or twice a year...playing the even rarer blinder amazeballs game every 2nd or 3rd year of his - up until recently - bloated contracts.
I'd rather have kept Dunstan...and I'm not much of a fan of him either, but at least he makes an effort with the ability he has.
Gringo mentioned before that he's like the ambitious minister handing out the meals after a battle. It's pretty apt. But man, I want the guy from "Heart of Darkness" with a bunch of impaled victims heads of those who dare oppose him...including the head of the minister handing out mystery schnitzel.

He will get a game every week and do the same thing he has been doing for the last couple of years. Can he get back back to 2019 form? Played 144 games , so is he going to get better? Dont think he will get a game in the forward line unless there is a strategy change, so wont be kicking a shedful of goals. Expect 20 possies a game with the odd good one thrown in. Beige, as one poster said.

 

[bird_man]

I don't doubt they had an honest adult conversation at the start of the season but I think you'll find it broke down completely after Dunstan was dropped for the last game.

That just confirmed that irrespective of how he played, the coach didn't rate him. Just like most people, I'd have spat the dummy in that situation.

Like I said - not a problem if your midfield is so great that we can afford be in a position to p*** off a player like Dunstan so much that we aren't able to even offer him a "depth" contract.

There are plenty of other clubs running with average midfielders, so if he was treated so harshly he would have been picked up on Friday.

The fact is, we are going nowhere with that midfield. It would be poor management not choose to start to try and develop our young mids rather than running with the same shit that has got us nowhere for years.

Not sure the conversation was ever "We won't offer you a contract". All I've heard is that both agreed his career would be better for him at another club.

The only thing I've heard about the contract is that Luke said he wouldn't take one. That's his call.

 

[Bill Mohr]

If we could put ourself in a position to pick up a Callaghan / Ward / Sinn


I would trade Webster this year while he has value. Is he really in our starting 22 next year

Based on this year, it is a big yes. Played good football. Only got beat 2-3 times and played on the good forwards. If he was for sale, he would have got picked up before Billings and Ross, that I am sure of. Ward from GWS? if so, think he has done too many hard yards.

 

[Veer Right]

Gresham is a midfielder.

So is Seb Ross..

 

[Yawkey way]

I reckon you're trying to spin it. I doubt Dunny or his manager are thinking we handled it well and he isn't going to be leaving with anything but bad blood. He 100% won't stay, I think he'd be more likely to play SANFL than turn up at Moorabin next year. Like it or not Dunstan was a solid servant of the club and we've managed to cause a really messy break up. That's not very professional, he'll have players that are his mates and others in the industry watch what's going on.

I couldn’t care less if dunstan isn’t happy, he’s a professional footballer who sooked it up after being told honestly by his coach that others were preferred at that point in time.

Now I’m ignoring the talk that he wouldn’t play other positions or follow instructions and just concentrating on his season. He smashed it at sandy got his chance played a very good block of games then dropped off again and was unlucky to be dropped for the last game. Exit interview probably followed the same line as the preseason assessment and he’s over it, out of contract and as a free agent looking for greener pastures.

I don’t have a problem with any of that, what I do have a problem with is that he was mistreated, hard done by and generally screwed over. He was well paid and carried at times over an underwhelming 8 seasons and 100 plus games, the club has done nothing unprofessional in fact we’ve made a decision to move on in an attempt to improve. Imo it’s luke who needs to check himself and have an honest look at his eight seasons at the saints.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I reckon you're trying to spin it. I doubt Dunny or his manager are thinking we handled it well and he isn't going to be leaving with anything but bad blood. He 100% won't stay, I think he'd be more likely to play SANFL than turn up at Moorabin next year. Like it or not Dunstan was a solid servant of the club and we've managed to cause a really messy break up. That's not very professional, he'll have players that are his mates and others in the industry watch what's going on.

I think people see it for what it is and a jilted opinion from a former player won't hold much sway.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Billings is a fine player. Hasn't become what we hoped he would when we drafted him at pick 3. But a fine player nonetheless.

AND is even nicer for us now that he’s on a well reduced wage.

He is consistent without being brilliant but if he can hit the scoreboard more/kick straighter he'll be more effective for us. had 70 shots at goal one year I reckon and just kicked horribly.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

He also is yet to prove he's any more than a solid mid.

I'm not sold he's a better mid than he is a forward.

Yes he can get the footy and win a clearance but he doesn't seem near as damaging in the middle as he does forward.

He was on track to being one of the very best small forwards in the comp. He kicked more goals than anyone taken in the 2015 draft before his move into the midfield.

I can he has strengths in the middle, but I think the Robbie Gray role of playing forward and pinch hitting in the guts would be ideal for him

Totally disagree with your first sentence.

Two years running our midfield has stopped like it was shot when Gresh was hurt.

He’s super important in our midfield set up.


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[Veer Right]

Ross has re-signed for 2 years:

So nobody else wanted his services, yay!

 

[ScrappyDo]

Ross has re-signed for 2 years:

F*************************************k!!!!!!

 

[bergholt]

So nobody else wanted his services, yay!

Yeah clearly he looked around, talked to a bunch of clubs, no-one offered him anything much, he came crawling back and took the deal that he previously said was unacceptable.

 

[goodie23]

Since we're not really going for players this year, we're joining the race for points - alongside Collingwood and Footscray. Let's have a look at what everyone's got and the teams they'll be talking to:

Saints
Currently have: 356 (picks 49, 67 - 9 can't be used)
Worst case scenario need: 1339 (Windhager and Owen go picks 21 and 22)
Need at least: 936 (Owens and Windhager go 28 & 29)

Collingwood
Currently have: 1594 (picks 36, 41, 43 and 48)
Worst case scenario need: 2400 (Daicos goes pick 1)
Need at least: 1627 (Daicos goes pick 3)

Footscray
Currently have: 1025 (17, pick 75 is worth 0 points)
Worst case scenario need: 2400 (Darcy goes pick 1)
Need at least: 1503 (Darcy goes pick 5)

Now who's got picks - targeting bundles after pick 25 to allow teams to move up the board, only picks worth points

Adelaide
Currently have: 37, 44, 62, 66

Brisbane
Currently have: 50, 54, 60

Essendon
Currently have: 51, 56

Geelong
Currently have: 30, 32, 34, 55

Gold Coast
Currently have: 46, 58, 61, 69

Melbourne
Currently have: 33, 45, 57

Richmond
Currently have: 26, 28, 38, 42, 47

Sydney
Currently have: 31, 39, 70

West Coast
Currently have: 29, 35, 52, 68

So who goes where?

Footscray have apparently already started talking to Richmond to swap pick 17 for picks 26 and 28 - which is worth 1406 and covers a pick 6 bid. They'll probably also to look for the Lipinski trade to cover the few hundred remaining, possibly getting a future pick from Collingwood and then shifting on a future pick of their own. Trading Wallis will probably cover a quantity if they pull that trigger.

Collingwood have painted themselves into a comical corner - they traded their best bargaining chip last year and are looking to bring in Lipinski and Kreuger. The future trading rules also hamper them, they can only trade their future first if they trade no other future picks or bring in another future first. Wouldn't be surprised to see them do the latter, trade a future first to a top four team for their future first and change. Richmond also looks to be an attractive team for them to talk to, if Collingwood can shift their future 2nd and change for picks 38, 42 and 47 (465 + 395 + 316 = 1176) which gets them halfway. They'll hope to get some value out of Cox but that'll make minimal difference. Trading Sier might get them a bit closer.

So let's look at St Kilda player movement. Long or Battle go to Essendon is probably not hugely helpful as they've only got picks 51 and 56 which only covers a pick 30 bid for one of the boys. Would've been nice to get something nominal for Dunstan, the 25% discount means whatever we got would've increased in value.

Pick-for-pick trades, it's a question of whether our future 2nd or 3rd goes on the block and it'll probably be a draft night break-glass situation. Richmond's picks will probably be gone, so we'll probably have deals lined up with Melbourne (for some combo of 33, 45 and 57), Adelaide (combo of 37, 44, 62, 66), maybe Gold Coast (combo of 46, 58, 61, 69).

 

[Rors]

If there’s one thing that Jack Billings hasn’t been its being over rated by supporters.

Has copped it pretty much non stop since 2014. Had a few moments when others took the heat but has been unfairly bagged IMO (especially the BS about him being soft & scared).


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Still reckon the softest and most scared player in the AFL is tougher and harder than anybody on here by a country mile.

Oh and this is not directed at you W2L but can we please stop the Billings to Petracca comparison even if it is stats. They play a completely differnet game in a different position and basically Billings is not as good a player anyway.

After the years of Billing v Bont, do we need to torture ourselfs comparing him to the other player we didn't select?

Guy I was replying to literally compared him to Petracca FFS

Now yes, there are people out there, Saints fans, that believe he’s an absolute star, and sits alongside Bont, Petracca, Patrick Cripps. They are bloody delusional

If you are one of these people that still believes JB is on the same level as these guys….