Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[Del165198]

What state of mind would you have to accept a permanent regime of repetitive jabs for a pathogen that has an overall Infection Fatality Rate of <1%?

Moreover, what would be the mental state that accepted the same regime for children whose IFR is calculated at many orders of magnitude less than that?

What about mandating such a regime of jabs for people post infection when the studies are showing these people have better and more durable immunity than the jabs provide?

Is there point where this all gets plainly silly, or do we completely and permanently surrender our capacity for critical thinking and open discussion on the basis of a declared emergency? Is there a point of logical disconnect where you'd at least query the process?

You have to get a flu jab every year. Some industries mandate that as a requirement of employment. It's nothing new ffs.

 

[Del165198]

A medical research group has urged the government to improve access to vaccine information after it was revealed more than a fifth of Melburnians who inject drugs don’t want the Covid-19 jab because of “safety concerns”.


Lol

 

[Papa G]

You have to get a flu jab every year. Some industries mandate that as a requirement of employment. It's nothing new ffs.

I've never had a flu jab.

Maybe going forward the booster shots can be voluntary like they are for the Flu?

So those with weak immune systems, the old, the perpetually scared can get them by choice and the rest of us can get on with our lives?

 

[Del165198]

I've never had a flu jab.

Maybe going forward the booster shots can be voluntary like they are for the Flu?

Maybe they will be, depends what the research says I guess.

The rest of your post is just "hurh hurh people taking medical advice are cowards I am tough"

 

[EskimoPAFC]

What “people say” is actually that they feel different levels of any side effects after the two doses. That recollection probably sticks a little more in the memory because we humans like to inflate the magnitude of small differences, and because those who don’t notice any difference are a little less inclined to yap about it, and because boring information “meh, no difference” is less viral.

While there are gonna be a lot of people who do have small or no differences, there is definitely a large difference overall. This is on Australian data but this has been seen consistently with Pfizer (from memory I think AZ is the opposite):

 

[EskimoPAFC]

And yes I'm overly sensitive as someone that had a sore arm after the first but after the second had a headache and drowsiness for a week and could barely walk the day after lol

 

[Papa G]

Maybe they will be, depends what the research says I guess.

The rest of your post is just "hurh hurh people taking medical advice are cowards I am tough"

People building up their own immune systems is a far better outcome than completely relying on medicine to fix things. Look no further than the over subscription of anti biotics and their increasing loss of efficacy, in turn creating ever more stronger bacterial mutations.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Yep

 

[GoTheMightyCrows]

I would like to say i underestimated the side effects of the Pfizer booster shot. I thought i would be ok until i got home from work yesterday. It seems to be giving me every side effect possible. Hot and cold sweats, body aches, Swollen nodes in left armpit, headache, fatigue, loss of appetite and diarrhea.

I was the same with my first shot of astra (except the runs), took some codeine and all was good pretty quickly - then had zero side effects on the second jab.

 

[Contested Marx]

People building up their own immune systems is a far better outcome than completely relying on medicine to fix things. Look no further than the over subscription of anti biotics and their increasing loss of efficacy, in turn creating ever more stronger bacterial mutations.

Except antibiotics work differently to vaccines so it's not really comparable is it

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Victoria 1,003 new cases and 14 deaths.
NSW 216 new cases and 3 deaths.

 

[backtozero]

Flu jabs aren't mrna vaccines with absolutely zero data as to long term health effects. Flu jabs don't cause side effects like inflammation of the heart tissue.

They also aren't required for a person to be employed or just generally exist in society.

A couple of small details.

 

[bomberclifford]

They also aren't required for a person to be employed

They are for some.

 

[DaTBird187]

Maybe they will be, depends what the research says I guess.

The rest of your post is just "hurh hurh people taking medical advice are cowards I am tough"

"Me Grug"

 

[Papa G]

Except antibiotics work differently to vaccines so it's not really comparable is it

Same principle though. Fighting off disease naturally is a better long term outcome. Once most of us are vaccinated what more do you want? Live in a state of perpetual jabs and face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, "social distancing" for something at it height has proven to kills less than 1% of the population mainly very old people? Is that the world you want to live in? It seems quite dystopian to me.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Same principle though. Fighting off disease naturally is a better long term outcome. Once most of us are vaccinated what more do you want? Live in a state of perpetual jabs and face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, "social distancing" for something at it height has proven to kill 1-2% of the population mainly very old people? Is that the world you want to live in? It seems quite dystopian to me.

That's an 'or', not an 'and'.

If you don't want to live in a world of face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, and social distancing, then there are only two ways of achieving that. One is continuing to let millions of people die of a preventable disease, the other is mandating that people spend ten minutes at the doctor once every 6 months or so if they want to be able to fully participate in society. For a sociopath like yourself I understand that might be a tough choice, but for most of us it's pretty simple.

 

[Papa G]

That's an 'or', not an 'and'.

If you don't want to live in a world of face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, and social distancing, then there are only two ways of achieving that. One is continuing to let millions of people die of a preventable disease, the other is mandating that people spend ten minutes at the doctor once every 6 months or so if they want to be able to fully participate in society. For a sociopath like yourself I understand that might be a tough choice, but for most of us it's pretty simple.

Sociopath? Please. Quoting DumbGreatClod makes you sound some much stupider than you actually are.

Millions of people? Again, Please. There's hyperbole and then theres hyper hyperboyle.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Sociopath? Please. Quoting DumbGreatClod makes you sound some much stupider than you actually are.

You've literally told us you wouldn't be all that bothered if your own mother died of COVID, what would you call that? I think even you yourself would admit that you're not exactly the most compassionate bloke going around.

Millions of people? Again, Please. There's hyperbole and then theres hyper hyperboyle.

5.06 million deaths and counting worldwide. I wasn't referring to Australians specifically when I said millions of people. Lots of other states and countries are introducing vaccine related restrictions too.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

What state of mind would you have to accept a permanent regime of repetitive jabs for a pathogen that has an overall Infection Fatality Rate of
Moreover, what would be the mental state that accepted the same regime for children whose IFR is calculated at many orders of magnitude less than that?

What about mandating such a regime of jabs for people post infection when the studies are showing these people have better and more durable immunity than the jabs provide?

Is there point where this all gets plainly silly, or do we completely and permanently surrender our capacity for critical thinking and open discussion on the basis of a declared emergency? Is there a point of logical disconnect where you'd at least query the process?

Not with most pro vax drugged up scag heads you won’t.


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[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

That's an 'or', not an 'and'.

If you don't want to live in a world of face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, and social distancing, then there are only two ways of achieving that. One is continuing to let millions of people die of a preventable disease, the other is mandating that people spend ten minutes at the doctor once every 6 months or so if they want to be able to fully participate in society. For a sociopath like yourself I understand that might be a tough choice, but for most of us it's pretty simple.

NO DEAL X


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[OneGreatClub]

Flu jabs aren't mrna vaccines with absolutely zero data as to long term health effects. Flu jabs don't cause side effects like inflammation of the heart tissue.

They also aren't required for a person to be employed or just generally exist in society.

A couple of small details.

Perhaps they could have had Astra then. I did.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Flu jabs aren't mrna vaccines with absolutely zero data as to long term health effects. Flu jabs don't cause side effects like inflammation of the heart tissue.

They also aren't required for a person to be employed or just generally exist in society.

A couple of small details.

Worried about the potential long term effects of the mrna vaccines but not the long term effects of covid if you survive the disease. Long covid is a real thing.

 

[Del80659]

pleased to see we have reached 87.523% today. some pesky suburbs holding us back. once we reach 91.91111% recurring i will begin to breathe easier. stay safe, compadres. there are deviants amongst us.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

Worried about the potential long term effects of the mrna vaccines but not the long term effects of covid if you survive the disease. Long covid is a real thing.

Long term effects of both are unknown


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[backtozero]

Worried about the potential long term effects of the mrna vaccines but not the long term effects of covid if you survive the disease. Long covid is a real thing.

Potentual long covid after catching the disease once vs. potential side effects + unknown consequences of taking a newly developed drug every 6 months. Oh goodee, sign me up.