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Knightmare said:
On Alleer I'd agree he can take intercept marks and shutdown opponents, though I certainly don't agree about the rebounding component. By one dimensional, and I'd say the same of Aliir Aliir who similarly is very good 1v1 and can beat his direct opponents, I'd say he's also one dimensional because as with Alleer, the way he impacts games is with his intercept marking. In terms of rebounding though, I'm not sure why you're talking him up as a rebounder. What in particular do you see in him as a rebounder? As I haven't certainly in the games I've watched seen it, with his kicking not good. And really limited involvements aside from when he is taking an intercept mark himself.
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I never said he was a rebounder. I said there are 3 dimensions to a KPD - the ability to lockdown, the ability to intercept and the ability to rebound. Alleer has proven he can do two of those things - lockdown and intercept. So by definition, he can't be one dimensional. Particularly given he can play on different types of forward too.

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That said, next year if I keep doing what I'm doing, I may look into for ESPN doing something more like the shallow analysis you're thinking and then maybe for YouTube I can do more hardcore and nuanced.
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I think the way you're doing it now is quite shallow in that it's just random phrases in a list. There's no real context to anything. You just said this...

''Blake Schlensog is an exceptional intercept mark. But breaking his game down more deeply. It's the way he reads it off the opposition boot and positions himself that is special, but in terms of his work overhead, it's actually at times inconsistent, dropping marks he should be taking''

...that says more about him than simply listing intercept marking as a strength and consistency overhead as a weakness.

Brevity is key. And is the difference between a BigFooty post and a media article.
 
Chris25 said:
I never said he was a rebounder. I said there are 3 dimensions to a KPD - the ability to lockdown, the ability to intercept and the ability to rebound. Alleer has proven he can do two of those things - lockdown and intercept. So by definition, he can't be one dimensional. Particularly given he can play on different types of forward too.

I think the way you're doing it now is quite shallow in that it's just random phrases in a list. There's no real context to anything. You just said this...

''Blake Schlensog is an exceptional intercept mark. But breaking his game down more deeply. It's the way he reads it off the opposition boot and positions himself that is special, but in terms of his work overhead, it's actually at times inconsistent, dropping marks he should be taking''

...that says more about him than simply listing intercept marking as a strength and consistency overhead as a weakness.

Brevity is key. And is the difference between a BigFooty post and a media article.
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There are certainly three phases to the game, all of which you have identified. And they're generally viewed as the broader areas of competency. The game can be broken down that way.

When I'm talking about dimensions, I'm talking about weapons. A method to meaningfully impact a game.

I look at key defenders as impacting games through the following methods - turning 1v1 marks into intercept marks, turning pack situations into intercept marks, taking intercept marks more broadly, intercepting via winning ground balls or generating drive either by foot or via run. The more of those they can do, the more ways they have of impacting games. What Alleer doesn't have is those rebounding components and he isn't that ground ball winning intercepter either, so it's through the broader intercept marking/overhead marking parts of his game where he is already exceptional and has the scope to be great - and all of that is inclusive of turning 1v1 marks into intercept marks, turning pack situation into intercept marks and taking intercept marks more broadly.

When I look at key defenders and how the best ones impact games. They're not focused on shutting down opponents. They're actively winning the ball back and in some cases generating the rebound themselves which is the bonus territory. Intercepting (inclusive of all components) is 90% of the position. If you're winning the ball back that's the value of a key defender. If you're engaging in a 1v1, spoiling is just a draw, taking a mark is getting the win. And if you're spoiling whether it's a 1v1 or it's defending the lead, if you're spoiling, you want to also be making those into intercept possessions and beating your opponent to the ball or at least directing those spoils to teammates so that again you gain possession.

So in other words, the traditional notion of what a key defender is supposed to do I reject entirely. I don't view locking down an opponent without intercepting yourself as playing a worthwhile role in the same way as I'd say there is no point to having a tagger. Defensively minded mids who run hard both ways and bring the pressure acts I'm a huge fan of and rate more highly than most will, but you don't have to run with opposition midfielders, you want to be ultimately impacting the game more than the direct opponent - just like I'd say in defence if all you do is mind your opponent, it's the same with taggers where if they're just casing someone all day and trying to stop them from getting the ball without winning it themselves, it's just a battle of trying not to lose the battle each week by too much. It's playing not to lose by much rather than playing to win. In every position on the field, you want to create win conditions and ultimately make your opponent worry more about you than on doing what they do to best take them out of their game, that's a much better way of negating influence than trying to directly stop them.

I can't claim succinctness is one of my skills. I'm from a business background and in my studies it was all research, all the time and super in depth analysis. So you'll never find my writing will ever read like any other journalist. I'm much more analytically minded. I think football like I do a chess game. I imagine that's why people read my content and engage with me for a different take, even though a lot of the time and understandably given how far I'm sure I stray away from what other analysists may believe, that there will be some who don't agree with this opinion or that. From there that just means scope for productive discussion.

What I value about writing for ESPN is they haven't tried to change me. I can just be me and look at things the way I do rather than trying to fit a square box into a round hole. I'd actually like to see in an online capacity whether it's on YouTube or wherever for more people who think differently and have their own unique takes on the game or styles of play. The online media producing space would be much the richer for it. For me, just seeing the same stuff everywhere across different sports media, I don't really see the point. They're not doing anything different. There is no taking things back to first principles and looking at creating a point of difference. More people need to go blue ocean and open up new unexplored market spaces to create their own opportunities and add value in new and unique ways. That's how we're going to see worthwhile progress in the sports media content we consume, wherever the source.
 
Prochard123 said:
Think a better comparison for Hobbs would be Matt Crouch.
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IMO and it’s been the opinion of most this year, Hobbs is a clone of Taylor Adams.

Although even with all the knocks on Hobbs’ kicking, it’s still better than Tay’s.

Fwiw Hobbs was at my gym the other day (even in his Reb’s jumper). He is already pretty damn muscular for his age, but eventually he is going to be a ball of muscle / cage fighter just like Adams.

Good luck getting between him and the ball.
 
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Knightmare said:
November AFL Draft Power Rankings:



Discussion point: Anyone else with Leek Alleer, Angus Sheldrick, Zac Taylor or Bodhi Uwland inside their top-20s? Or will these be my unique calls and mine alone?

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I'll be surprised if Aleer goes top 20, but will welcome it since it would mean other highly rated players would slip to Hawthorns selections in the second round.

Taylor I love and think he could end up a top 10 player from this draft. It he goes in beyond pick 20 whoever selects him is getting a bargain.
 

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Blackhawk42 said:
I'll be surprised if Aleer goes top 20, but will welcome it since it would mean other highly rated players would slip to Hawthorns selections in the second round.

Taylor I love and think he could end up a top 10 player from this draft. It he goes in beyond pick 20 whoever selects him is getting a bargain.
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This being my power rankings, it doesn't reflect where guys might go on draft day, but is purely my personal draft rankings.

Alleer as per my profile I have going second round onwards at this stage.

Taylor does pretty well everything well and a lot of things very well. I feel like based on how he has played and everything he has shown he's one of the most underhyped midfielders in this draft.
 
Rusty Beam said:
IMO and it’s been the opinion of most this year, Hobbs is a clone of Taylor Adams.

Although even with all the knocks on Hobbs’ kicking, it’s still better than Tay’s.

Fwiw Hobbs was at my gym the other day (even in his Reb’s jumper). He is already pretty damn muscular for his age, but eventually he is going to be a ball of muscle / cage fighter just like Adams.

Good luck getting between him and the ball.
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Probably with these 180 - 183 cm pure inside mids that excel at junior levels is that they more often than not just doesn't translate well into AFL footy, unless are posting absolutely huge numbers in junior competition (Rowell).

And as a one-dimensional player, if you take that away with greater competition, the player just becomes pointless if he doesn't have secondary weapons.

I'm personally a big fan of these Jarryd Lyons, Huge Greenwood, Luke Dunstan types in the right situation, especially Lyons who has also developed a strong outside game with decent skills. But for better reasons or worse, all were available to be picked up for virtually nothing at some point

And I just can't see someone like Hobbs being any more than a Dunstan/Adams type, and neither is a top 25 midfielder in the comp.

If a player's ceiling is an effective but easily replaceable player who can be acquired for free, you just can't justify selecting a player like that with a top 10 pick.

Which is also why I think the Cerra deal was a massive win for Carlton. Cerra genuinely has the scope of becoming a top 15 midfielder potentially pushing top 10, and a midfielder like Hobbs who is seen as a potential pick around the range of the compensation pick just doesn't have nearly the same level of upside.
 
Prochard123 said:
Probably with these 180 - 183 cm pure inside mids that excel at junior levels is that they more often than not just doesn't translate well into AFL footy, unless are posting absolutely huge numbers in junior competition (Rowell).

And as a one-dimensional player, if you take that away with greater competition, the player just becomes pointless if he doesn't have secondary weapons.
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Easier said than done with players who are as hard at winning the contested ball and clearance as Hobbs. (In a similar vein as Adams and Joel Selwood).

Even if it was his only strength, which I might add it isn’t, it’s such a great ‘one dimension’ to have that it’s going to mean he’s never considered pointless IMO.

Personally I think Hobbs has one of the highest floors of the whole draft contingent. Which based on that projection is easily starting midfield worthy, sooner rather than later, for whichever team picks him.
 
Knightmare said:
November AFL Draft Power Rankings:



Discussion point: Anyone else with Leek Alleer, Angus Sheldrick, Zac Taylor or Bodhi Uwland inside their top-20s? Or will these be my unique calls and mine alone?

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You and I don't agree on many things KM. But I also would take sheldrick in the Top 20. Kids going to be a gun
 
Hi Knightmare what are your thoughts on Andrew playing as a permanant key position player?

The more I watch him the more I expected I get about his prospects in that Luke Jackson role rotating between ruck during centre bounces, and CHF during general play.

You definitely don't want him to be exposed to muscle/strength contests around boundary stoppages, but I see absolutely no reason why he can't be a superior version of Luke Jackson.

If anything I'd say athletically he dominates Luke Jackson in every area (speed, agility, leap). You could also play him as an intercepting 3rd tall defender but that almost feel like a waste.

My current power ranking is:

1. JHF
2. Callaghan
2. Andrew
4. Daicos
5. Darcy
6. Alleer

Tier (1a)
  • JHF is my #1 pick due to high upside + high chance of realizing that potential
  • Callaghan reminds me of a taller Adam Treloar with the scope to be one of the most damaging midfielders in the league. He's never going to be that contested beast, but you just know his clearances will be gold with a higher conversion into scoring opportunities. E.g. just like how you'd take 5 clearances from Tim Kelly over 29 from Matt Crouch
  • Andrew I think has a ceiling just as high as JHF, and is probably #2 overall in this regard, I have him currently at 3rd because I do worry that he will be underutilized/misused so I worry about the developmental risk, especially if it's at GC
  • Daicos seems like a complete midfielder. Good skills, good pace, good vision execution. Immense accumulator. At the moment I see him as a Sam Walsh type with the scope of developing into Darcy Parish type if he improves his clearance work(who I think is a top 10 midfielder in the comp atm). Probably has the highest floor out of the top 4 in tier (1a), but I think his upside is noticeably lower
Tier (1b)
  • Darcy I think is very much overhyped. Has shown signs at junior level, but apart from being tall and moderately agile I'm not seeing what differentiates him and any translatable weapons into AFL. Still promising overall, but appears to be a worse prospect than the other 4
  • Alleer must be played in that Allir Allir role (convenient name lol). Allir Allir has proven just how impactful that role can be. And with Alleer having athleticism greater than even Naitanui, I just can't see a logical reason to pick someone like Hobbs/other vanilla mids in the comp over Alleer unless you are desperate for a mid
 
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Rusty Beam said:
Easier said than done with players who are as hard at winning the contested ball and clearance as Hobbs. (In a similar vein as Adams and Joel Selwood).

Even if it was his only strength, which I might add it isn’t, it’s such a great ‘one dimension’ to have that it’s going to mean he’s never considered pointless IMO.

Personally I think Hobbs has one of the highest floors of the whole draft contingent. Which based on that projection is easily starting midfield worthy, sooner rather than later, for whichever team picks him.
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Selwood was the complete midfielder back in the days, and at 182 cm he wasn't short for his generation.

But times have changed, the game has changed. I mean we even got to see how exposed he was against the taller and faster Melbourne midfielders.

The current norm of a top tier inside midfielder is more 187 cm - 192 cm. Oliver, Petracca, Bont, Macrae, Steele, Wines are all in this range (literally 4/4 of the top 4 brownlow medalists this year)

Having a high floor is a positive, but it's not nearly enough to justify spending a top 10 pick on.

For Hobbs to make it he will need to be a genuine elite/top 10 contested ball winner (Neale, Libba, Parish, etc.), given his lack of weapons elsewhere.

Is it possible? Yes. Likely, I would actively bet against this happening.
 
Prochard123 said:
Selwood was the complete midfielder back in the days, and at 182 cm he wasn't short for his generation.

But times have changed, the game has changed. I mean we even got to see how exposed he was against the taller and faster Melbourne midfielders.

The current norm of a top tier inside midfielder is more 187 cm - 192 cm. Oliver, Petracca, Bont, Macrae, Steele, Wines are all in this range (literally 4/4 of the top 4 brownlow medalists this year)

Having a high floor is a positive, but it's not nearly enough to justify spending a top 10 pick on.

For Hobbs to make it he will need to be a genuine elite/top 10 contested ball winner (Neale, Libba, Parish, etc.), given his lack of weapons elsewhere.

Is it possible? Yes. Likely, I would actively bet against this happening.
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Selwood is old and cooked.
 
Prochard123 said:
Selwood was the complete midfielder back in the days, and at 182 cm he wasn't short for his generation.

But times have changed, the game has changed. I mean we even got to see how exposed he was against the taller and faster Melbourne midfielders.

The current norm of a top tier inside midfielder is more 187 cm - 192 cm. Oliver, Petracca, Bont, Macrae, Steele, Wines are all in this range (literally 4/4 of the top 4 brownlow medalists this year)

Having a high floor is a positive, but it's not nearly enough to justify spending a top 10 pick on.

For Hobbs to make it he will need to be a genuine elite/top 10 contested ball winner (Neale, Libba, Parish, etc.), given his lack of weapons elsewhere.

Is it possible? Yes. Likely, I would actively bet against this happening.
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Yeah we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Adams (as that comparison) had similar, or much better, contested possession and clearance numbers to all of those guys (with the exception of Oliver’s ridiculous league best contested numbers).

Regardless, IMO you are underselling Hobbs overall game to fit this ‘one dimensional’ narrative.
 
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Prochard123 said:
Hi Knightmare what are your thoughts on Andrew playing as a permanant key position player?

The more I watch him the more I expected I get about his prospects in that Luke Jackson role rotating between ruck during centre bounces, and CHF during general play.

You definitely don't want him to be exposed to muscle/strength contests around boundary stoppages, but I see absolutely no reason why he can't be a superior version of Luke Jackson.

If anything I'd say athletically he dominates Luke Jackson in every area (speed, agility, leap). You could also play him as an intercepting 3rd tall defender but that almost feel like a waste.
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I don't know what sort of player Mac Andrew will turn out to be, but I do know that his performances at Under 18s has been vastly inferior to Luke Jackson. Are you basing your assessment based on highlight reels or have you watched numerous entire games? And if his agility is vastly superior to Jackson, then he can play as a rover.
 

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Prochard123 said:
Probably with these 180 - 183 cm pure inside mids that excel at junior levels is that they more often than not just doesn't translate well into AFL footy, unless are posting absolutely huge numbers in junior competition (Rowell).

And as a one-dimensional player, if you take that away with greater competition, the player just becomes pointless if he doesn't have secondary weapons.

I'm personally a big fan of these Jarryd Lyons, Huge Greenwood, Luke Dunstan types in the right situation, especially Lyons who has also developed a strong outside game with decent skills. But for better reasons or worse, all were available to be picked up for virtually nothing at some point

And I just can't see someone like Hobbs being any more than a Dunstan/Adams type, and neither is a top 25 midfielder in the comp.

If a player's ceiling is an effective but easily replaceable player who can be acquired for free, you just can't justify selecting a player like that with a top 10 pick.

Which is also why I think the Cerra deal was a massive win for Carlton. Cerra genuinely has the scope of becoming a top 15 midfielder potentially pushing top 10, and a midfielder like Hobbs who is seen as a potential pick around the range of the compensation pick just doesn't have nearly the same level of upside.
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If asked Cerra or Hobbs, Cerra would be my choice. Much better skills, more versatile. He's one where he can fit into any midfield v Hobbs where he is drafted for a specific purpose and has to be used in a specific way (as a ball winner).

Rusty Beam said:
Easier said than done with players who are as hard at winning the contested ball and clearance as Hobbs. (In a similar vein as Adams and Joel Selwood).

Even if it was his only strength, which I might add it isn’t, it’s such a great ‘one dimension’ to have that it’s going to mean he’s never considered pointless IMO.

Personally I think Hobbs has one of the highest floors of the whole draft contingent. Which based on that projection is easily starting midfield worthy, sooner rather than later, for whichever team picks him.
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Contested ball winners are those midfielders who translate consistently to AFL play and are really your lowest possible risk recruits.

I can't imagine there would be any scouts suggesting Hobbs won't have a career because he has those components. He'll go win it, he tackles and pressures.

The relevant question with a Hobbs, and many would make a similar argument with Sheldrick (although he does have the pace Hobbs never will) is how valuable that one dimension is compared to what others offer.

I'm calling both top-15 players in this draft.

chopflop said:
You and I don't agree on many things KM. But I also would take sheldrick in the Top 20. Kids going to be a gun
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Great to hear there is another Sheldrick fan here. Would you be able to fit Sheldrick into your top-15? Or is he more a 15-20 for you?

Of interest, was it just U19 Champs that won you over? WAFL Colts finals?

Prochard123 said:
Hi Knightmare what are your thoughts on Andrew playing as a permanant key position player?

The more I watch him the more I expected I get about his prospects in that Luke Jackson role rotating between ruck during centre bounces, and CHF during general play.

You definitely don't want him to be exposed to muscle/strength contests around boundary stoppages, but I see absolutely no reason why he can't be a superior version of Luke Jackson.

If anything I'd say athletically he dominates Luke Jackson in every area (speed, agility, leap). You could also play him as an intercepting 3rd tall defender but that almost feel like a waste.

My current power ranking is:

1. JHF
2. Callaghan
2. Andrew
4. Daicos
5. Darcy
6. Alleer

Tier (1a)
  • JHF is my #1 pick due to high upside + high chance of realizing that potential
  • Callaghan reminds me of a taller Adam Treloar with the scope to be one of the most damaging midfielders in the league. He's never going to be that contested beast, but you just know his clearances will be gold with a higher conversion into scoring opportunities. E.g. just like how you'd take 5 clearances from Tim Kelly over 29 from Matt Crouch
  • Andrew I think has a ceiling just as high as JHF, and is probably #2 overall in this regard, I have him currently at 3rd because I do worry that he will be underutilized/misused so I worry about the developmental risk, especially if it's at GC
  • Daicos seems like a complete midfielder. Good skills, good pace, good vision execution. Immense accumulator. At the moment I see him as a Sam Walsh type with the scope of developing into Darcy Parish type if he improves his clearance work(who I think is a top 10 midfielder in the comp atm). Probably has the highest floor out of the top 4 in tier (1a), but I think his upside is noticeably lower
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  • Darcy I think is very much overhyped. Has shown signs at junior level, but apart from being tall and moderately agile I'm not seeing what differentiates him and any translatable weapons into AFL. Still promising overall, but appears to be a worse prospect than the other 4
  • Alleer must be played in that Allir Allir role (convenient name lol). Allir Allir has proven just how impactful that role can be. And with Alleer having athleticism greater than even Naitanui, I just can't see a logical reason to pick someone like Hobbs/other vanilla mids in the comp over Alleer unless you are desperate for a mid
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Mac Andrew long term I like as a ruckman.

He's likely to start his career as a key forward and in a few years a role more like we see from Luke Jackson. And maybe then he becomes a ruckman. Though I have some different views with Mac.

My vision is more-so to see him developed as a key defender as he develops physically and see if he can become an intercept marking force back there + force him to work on his 1v1 craft. If Andrew can develop his endurance to an elite or near elite level, I also given how fluid his movement is and how sound his skills are have a level of intrigue around how he would look on a wing.

He's one of those where he's for now really in any position an almost player where there is a fundamental weakness that will see him exposed. But with so many capabilities in so many different parts to his game, he's one of those where he just needs to improve this or that, then he can really be something.

As for your rankings. Daicos at 4 you might want to re-think. It's a 1a/1b scenario between he and Horne-Francis. Both can be top-10 mids in the game + have forward craft on top of that. I think there will be many who confuse his upside as being low, just as some may see Walsh's upside as being low, but they're guys who can be 30d per game mids, and Daicos hits the scoreboard on top of that. Having upside isn't all about having physical tools, I actually don't see any meaningful relationship between physical tools and upside, with more-so rate of improvement if you want an upside indicator more-so what you should be looking at. And looking at that in combination with what they're doing now, with a calculation of their development trajectory possible from there.

Similarly Darcy at 5, while there are a few others I know who favour Andrew to Darcy, I'd role with Darcy as someone who is not just taller but the stronger mark and the more rapid developer both physically and as a footballer. I'd find it hard not to include him inside my top-3.

Alleer at 6 is ballsy, though I like it.

I'm not sure with Callaghan why you're seeing Treloar. His movement is more Bont/Macrae. He's not just a straight-line burst runner, but it's his agility and evasion that is so special.
 
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Is there a reason Jack Avery has dropped out of your top 20 rankings you’ve had him there most of the year
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U19 Champs play wasn't nearly to expectation.

I was hoping for domination as I'd see in the WAFL Colts. And he was fantastic at League level also.

During the Champs, he wasn't one of the most influential as I had expected. He was fine, but being an overager, he really needed to be one of the very best performers to remain so high on my draft board.

Avery will remain in my top-50 and when I release my full power rankings on YouTube. I'm thinking possibly Sunday putting that together and uploading the full rankings. And I'll probably go out to around 80 I'm thinking.
 
Knightmare said:
Great to hear there is another Sheldrick fan here. Would you be able to fit Sheldrick into your top-15? Or is he more a 15-20 for you?

Of interest, was it just U19 Champs that won you over? WAFL Colts finals?
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The game sheldrick didn't play on grand final day was probably the most instructive. The midfield of tunstill, dittmar and Johnson were nowhere near as effective as their other games. Everytime sheldrick played, the midfield dominated and you rightly said, he put JHF and Roberts to the sword. The colts final was cherry on top type of stuff. Showed he isn't just an inside bull but has genuine ability to be a damaging game breaker. I think if he had a different body shape with these types of performances he would be considered by most a top15 lock. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for whoever gets him, he doesn't have the sexy traits that rocket players up the board. I still think he needs to trim down, add lean muscle and drop his 2km time to something closer to mid 6s... But I think he has a case for being the best pure ball winner in the draft. Would have loved to have seen him vs the Vic boys but alas
 
chopflop said:
The game sheldrick didn't play on grand final day was probably the most instructive. The midfield of tunstill, dittmar and Johnson were nowhere near as effective as their other games. Everytime sheldrick played, the midfield dominated and you rightly said, he put JHF and Roberts to the sword. The colts final was cherry on top type of stuff. Showed he isn't just an inside bull but has genuine ability to be a damaging game breaker. I think if he had a different body shape with these types of performances he would be considered by most a top15 lock. Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for whoever gets him, he doesn't have the sexy traits that rocket players up the board. I still think he needs to trim down, add lean muscle and drop his 2km time to something closer to mid 6s... But I think he has a case for being the best pure ball winner in the draft. Would have loved to have seen him vs the Vic boys but alas
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I still wouldn't be surprised if Melbourne took him at 19 (previously 17). He is the exact type that Jason Taylor would go for. And you can never have too many good mids.
 

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weltschmerz said:
I was picking for Hawthorn in a phantom and grabbed him at 24, having taken Ward at 7 and wanting an inside bull.
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A Ward/Sheldrick draft is an A+ draft from my perspective.
 
danster168 said:
I still wouldn't be surprised if Melbourne took him at 19 (previously 17). He is the exact type that Jason Taylor would go for. And you can never have too many good mids.
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I like him for our pick 21/24. Not sure we would take him because of how many inside mids we have. I am curious about who Taylor will take because he is the best going around. I was also all over Bowey last year. Wanted him at our pick 29 when most mocks had him 40 plus. Taylor takes him first round and he looks a lock for 200 plus atm.
 
chopflop said:
I like him for our pick 21/24. Not sure we would take him because of how many inside mids we have. I am curious about who Taylor will take because he is the best going around. I was also all over Bowey last year. Wanted him at our pick 29 when most mocks had him 40 plus. Taylor takes him first round and he looks a lock for 200 plus atm.
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Yeah I feel like people get so wrapped up in player rankings but Jason Taylor in't afraid to do some serious reaching which is why I wouldn't be surprised if we reached for Sheldrick. But I'll be happy whoever we pick as long as it's not Conway.He's about the only guy I don't want. let alone with our first pick despite it being a need in 5 years when Gawn is finished.
 
Knightmare Some rumblings are suggesting Hawthorn taking Matthew Johnson at 5.

Way too much of a reach? I'm familiar with his stats, athletic profile, highlights and BOG performance in one of the state games. Don't know enough to know if his current output is conducive to living up to being a top 5 selection. I do like the point of difference he'd offer our midfield though.
 
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