Resource COVID19 V - The Info Thread

[Dazzler9]

The article does not mentioned the T-cells are vaccine-induced but instead " T-cells – white blood cells that originate in the marrow".
We can only assume it is our own natural T-cells rather than contributed by the vaccine.

Dr Stuart Turville, from the University of New South Wales’ Kirby Institute, has been studying samples from people infected with Omicron. He said T-cells represent a “pretty good backup” in the immune response.
That response is multi-factorial, he said, as both T-cells and B-cells (which produce antibodies) develop a “memory” of the virus that attacks the body.

“At the beginning, what gives them that memory is the primary encounter,” Turville said. “If you’re lucky, it’s a vaccination; if you’re unlucky, it’s the first time you’re infected.”

 

[amazingjoshy]

" “Based on our data, we anticipate that T-cell responses elicited by vaccines and boosters, for example, will continue to help protect against Omicron, as observed for other variants. We believe this presents some positive news in the global fight against Omicron.” "

Lol only for the 2nd time

 

[EagleEgo]

Dr Stuart Turville, from the University of New South Wales’ Kirby Institute, has been studying samples from people infected with Omicron. He said T-cells represent a “pretty good backup” in the immune response.
That response is multi-factorial, he said, as both T-cells and B-cells (which produce antibodies) develop a “memory” of the virus that attacks the body.

“At the beginning, what gives them that memory is the primary encounter,” Turville said. “If you’re lucky, it’s a vaccination; if you’re unlucky, it’s the first time you’re infected.”

I have no arguement and have good confidence on the functions of a correct code vaccine to produce antibody and induce Kill T-cells for protection.
I am questioning about whether the current vaccines originally produced for Alpha variants are still effective.
Then:
1. Should we quicken the process of producing Omicron variant vaccine (which Moderna is saying it could be available early 2022)?
2. Should we have other measures to safeguard ourself before the more effective vaccine for Omicron is available?
3. What happens to the one vaccine for all variants (developing by the US Military) is prgressing?
Edit: Killer T-cells can kill the virus infected cells are good news, but so far, there is no mention about the T-cells get the memory from the vaccine or from the infection. (I guess I can only guess if the current vaccine does not provide the correct memory to the antibody, the Killer T-cells will not get the correct memory from the vaccine).
Also the Killer T-cells are killing the human cells and some sort of damages are going on. It is far better to have tge first line of denfenceworking too. In short, a more effective vaccine for the job is requured.

 

[Luuuc]

There are some pretty solid alternatives to the "I can only guess ..." approach.

There are actually people who research this stuff, and are kind enough to share the findings for anyone who cares to seek it out.

 

[EagleEgo]

There are some pretty solid alternatives to the "I can only guess ..." approach.

There are actually people who research this stuff, and are kind enough to share the findings for anyone who cares to seek it out.

please share the material you are talking about.
I assume you are saying there are research showing the current vaccine induced T-cells has the memory to kill specically the Omicron.
I used the word "I guess" is because there is no evidence showing either side of the arguement. However, logic tells me that, the Killer T-cells reacts to infection and not vaccine memory to kill Omicron.

 

[Dazzler9]

 

[amazingjoshy]

There are some pretty solid alternatives to the "I can only guess ..." approach.

There are actually people who research this stuff, and are kind enough to share the findings for anyone who cares to seek it out.

 

[EagleEgo]

I am yet to see a method that can tell if the T-cell act according to memory from infection or from vaccine.

 

[ConcreteWaters]

Worst immunology thread ever.

 

[Rowan18]

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the vaccine's ability to prevent severe illness is being bypassed, just it's ability to prevent infection. Have you seen anything?

I'm personally happy to wait longer till there's better data about Omicron and long covid.

Most likely scenario though is our current restrictions carry on past our opening up on Feb 5th as we try to have a more limited Omicron wave.

I thought the need for the booster shot was in response to less effectiveness from the vaccine overall. That's why they are working on updated vaccines for omicron.

I also think we will open on 5th Feb. I expect current mask mandates to stay and probably some density restrictions as cases rise.

 

[Rowan18]

At one point you point out the current vaccine is not effective for the Ormicron (yes, a new research finding has already published to say that. (refer to previous post)), then what is the point of pointing out our high vaccination rate?
A safe and effective vaccine is very useful. What the govts should do is to put pressure to vaccine maufacturer to produce vaccine for the variants. Not until, we have the right vaccine, we should still control the border.
Your Chicken Pox Parties way of living with the virus is wrong and has never been recommended by the medical professional.

So far, no one has answered the costs and benefits question.
I am sure by listing down, the costs and benefits, the right answer will emerge.

You're right about working on new vaccines. The challenge is the lag from development to implementation vs the vaccine roll out. I don't think we'll get ahead of that curve anytime soon, so we have to find a way to keep moving.

I think you're overlooking the economic cost we currently experiencing from labour shortages. There is a huge amount of commerce going begging because we can't get things made/built etc

 

[Dazzler9]

5 new community cases today, I'm hearing

 

[Dazzler9]

I'm also hearing that security guard had Omicron, but I haven't read anything to that effect just yet

 

[amazingjoshy]

Western Australia 'very different' to rest of the country as five new local COVID-19 cases recorded

Western Australia's new cases see the state upgrade border restrictions to the Australian Capital Territory and Tasmania to "extreme" risk, meaning its borders will now be closed to every state and territory except the Northern Territory.

www.abc.net.au

 

[EagleEgo]

You're right about working on new vaccines. The challenge is the lag from development to implementation vs the vaccine roll out. I don't think we'll get ahead of that curve anytime soon, so we have to find a way to keep moving.

I think you're overlooking the economic cost we currently experiencing from labour shortages. There is a huge amount of commerce going begging because we can't get things made/built etc

Moderna did say early 2022 for Omicron vaccine. Not sure further details.
I have not overlook the economic costs and hence i keep asking about the cost/benefits information. Each of us will have a different perceptions on the costs and benefits. Different restrictions will have different $ impacts (both positive and negative depending on your business) to different business/individual.
The eastern states income sources and WA income sources are different and this is also the reason why WA can afford to close the border in a different way.
Edit: Can we solve the labour shortage problem without undermining public health?

 

[Dazzler9]

I'm also hearing that security guard had Omicron, but I haven't read anything to that effect just yet

Confirmed

’Serious’: Omicron variant finally hits WA

Western Australia has recorded its first case of Omicron in the community after five new local cases of Covid-19 were confirmed on Wednesday.

www.news.com.au

Separately, a vaccinated security guard working at the Pan Pacific hotel quarantine facility tested positive over the weekend.

Mr Cook said genomic sequencing had shown he was infected with the Omicron variant.

“While this is serious, in encouraging news, it does not appear that there has been any further spread,” Mr cook said.

Fifteen close contacts have been identified, with 14 negative and one test pending.

Eight casual contacts have also been identified, with seven negative results and one test pending.

 

[Dazzler9]

PM’s huge backflip on free RAT tests

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced rapid antigen tests will be free for more than 6 million Australians, while also warning there would be heavy penalties for price gouging.

www.news.com.au

 

[new breed]

Won't be free ....next week free just watch out for the stampede .
Good policy change though .

 

[Dazzler9]

They're not free, because Scotty said yesterday that they will not be made free. They are "concessional access". Over 3 months. For no cost.


“Universal free access to tests was not agreed by any of the states and territories today,” Mr Morrison said, announcing the change.

“What was agreed, though, a model to provide concessional access for tests over a three month period,” he said.

“There will be a maximum of 10 tests that will be provided on a concessional basis over those three months.”

 

[Godfather32]

PM’s huge backflip on free RAT tests

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced rapid antigen tests will be free for more than 6 million Australians, while also warning there would be heavy penalties for price gouging.

www.news.com.au

I was going to edit his head onto a weather-vane but I think this one already sums him up pretty well

 

[Godfather32]

They're not free, because Scotty said yesterday that they will not be made free. They are "concessional access". Over 3 months. For no cost.


“Universal free access to tests was not agreed by any of the states and territories today,” Mr Morrison said, announcing the change.

“What was agreed, though, a model to provide concessional access for tests over a three month period,” he said.

“There will be a maximum of 10 tests that will be provided on a concessional basis over those three months.”

Is that gobbledygook for we're giving everyone 10 free tests?

 

[amazingjoshy]

PM’s huge backflip on free RAT tests

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced rapid antigen tests will be free for more than 6 million Australians, while also warning there would be heavy penalties for price gouging.

www.news.com.au

Still not good enough. Free and freely available Rapid tests should've been an essential element to opening up. Let's hope WA learns from it

 

[Dazzler9]

Is that gobbledygook for we're giving everyone 10 free tests?

Correct. Without admitting that he got it wrong yesterday. Totally not a backflip.

 

[Godfather32]

Still not good enough. Free and freely available Rapid tests should've been an essential element to opening up. Let's hope WA learns from it

McGowan from last week:

"We've got massive orders in for rapid antigen tests for Western Australia. We expect we'll have around 8 million by February 5, and we expect we'll get a lot more after that," he said.

"I expect they'll be free, but we'll work through those details."

Mark McGowan warns some close contacts in WA outbreak may never be found, as two new COVID cases emerge

WA records two new local cases in an outbreak sparked by a backpacker, with the Premier saying it's unclear how one woman contracted the virus and warning 16 close contacts are unlikely to be located.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dazzler9]

OK, so turns it the RATs are not free for everyone. Just concession card holders.

National cabinet agrees to free RATs for concession card holders, positive RAT results no longer require PCR test

COVID testing requirements are slashed by national cabinet in an effort to ease pressure on the strained testing regime.

www.abc.net.au