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So over the past month I’ve learnt heaps about my family which has prompted me to make this post on why ANZAC day is very important to me and many others.

My Grandpa & Great Uncle were seaman for the Royal Australian Navy. My grandpa started his service on the 18th of November 1986 and ended his service on the 8th of November 1971, throughout the Vietnam War. He was stationed on units HMAS Derwent and HMAS Duchess, he taught people how to sea dive. Unfortunately he passed before I was alive. My great uncle was in the same service as he was, recently farewelled with all his Navy honours. He was also on ground when he fought in Borneo (which is apparently a rare for servicemen to do both) the RSL representative at his funeral had to apologise because the list of achievements was so long!

Feel free to share any stories you may have


I can’t quite put my finger on how I feel about ANZAC day, sometimes I feel a sense of pride but I think I’ve started to realise more then anything I feel guilt, a bit of sadness and a small fear that the world is forgetting how bad total war is.

I have an immediate family member that’s fought in pretty much every war Australia has been a part of. My half brother who was a captain in the RAAF and “fought” in Afghanistan now has some role at the shrine, my biological father has this weird thing where he hangs it on him because “he thinks he’s too good to be a regular enlisted soldier”. It’s weird, but his dad, my grandfather was a hardcore military man who came home from war, sat in a chair dressed in a pressed suit everyday, barely spoke till he hung himself. He was very decorated with medals but threw them all away.

I don’t know what I’m trying to say, you definitely should be proud. I’m proud. I honestly don’t know if I’d have their courage but I hope I would.

Sometimes I feel like ANZAC day gets celebrated instead of really thinking about what people have gone through. I especially hate politicians cashing in on the day.
 
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Sometimes I feel like ANZAC day gets celebrated instead of really thinking about what people have gone through. I especially hate politicians cashing in on the day.
It's meant to be a solemn commemoration and reflection upon war and service, which dawn services usually are. But many of the public treat it like a celebratory day which is just really, really wrong IMO.

I once gave an Anzac Day speech to this effect which went down poorly with everyone except the veterans who were there.
 
I can’t quite put my finger on how I feel about ANZAC day, sometimes I feel a sense of pride but I think I’ve started to realise more then anything I feel guilt, a bit of sadness and a small fear that the world is forgetting how bad total war is.

I have an immediate family member that’s fought in pretty much every war Australia has been a part of. My half brother who was a captain in the RAAF and “fought” in Afghanistan now has some role at the shrine, my biological father has this weird thing where he hangs it on him because “he thinks he’s too good to be a regular enlisted soldier”. It’s weird, but his dad, my grandfather was a hardcore military man who came home from war, sat in a chair dressed in a pressed suit everyday, barely spoke till he hung himself. He was very decorated with medals but threw them all away.

I doubt know what I’m trying to say, you definitely should be proud. I’m proud. I honestly don’t know if I’d have their courage but I hope I would.

Sometimes I feel like ANZAC day gets celebrated instead of really thinking about what people have gone through. I especially hate politicians cashing in on the day.
Agreed.

I also feel like sometimes the world also doesn’t truely understand the side that servicemen and women go through when the return from service. Sorry to hear about your grandfather, that’s so sad :( my uncle went down the addiction route, constantly gambling, never opened any of the letters that the doctors were giving him for referrals, until it was too late.

Yeah I’m proud of their achievements, courage to leave their families so often, to put their body on the line.

Agree with the last part as well. Some people are just so tone deaf.

Ps. My brother might join the navy😉
 

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Agreed.

I also feel like sometimes the world also doesn’t truely understand the side that servicemen and women go through when the return from service. Sorry to hear about your grandfather, that’s so sad :( my uncle went down the addiction route, constantly gambling, never opened any of the letters that the doctors were giving him for referrals, until it was too late.

Yeah I’m proud of their achievements, courage to leave their families so often, to put their body on the line.

Agree with the last part as well. Some people are just so tone deaf.

Ps. My brother might join the navy😉


It’d be a shame to waste that beautiful brain of his.
 
All you kids look the same to me.

Did you know what they are doing is actually a business model? f’ed up hey.
Really, well he ain’t a kid hahahahaha he is a grown ass man.

Really?
 
So over the past month I’ve learnt heaps about my family which has prompted me to make this post on why ANZAC day is very important to me and many others.

My Grandpa & Great Uncle were seaman for the Royal Australian Navy. My grandpa started his service on the 18th of November 1986 and ended his service on the 8th of November 1971, throughout the Vietnam War. He was stationed on units HMAS Derwent and HMAS Duchess, he taught people how to sea dive. Unfortunately he passed before I was alive. My great uncle was in the same service as he was, recently farewelled with all his Navy honours. He was also on ground when he fought in Borneo (which is apparently a rare for servicemen to do both) the RSL representative at his funeral had to apologise because the list of achievements was so long!

Feel free to share any stories you may have
My Nan's brothers were at Gallipoli. One (her favorite) was killed in France on 29 July 1916 near Maules Farm in the battle of Poziers. A guy who works as a war grave tour guide who I met online last year figured out the exact spot to within a 40 or 50 feet.

The others made it home. One was killed at work within a month of surviving the war. They were all miners. I think at one point they were involved with the thing where they dug tunnels under German lines, filled them with explosives and then blew them up. She married my Pop who was from london and fought for the British. He was wounded, as a kid (U18), and the nurse in a field hospital was from the same street. She recognised him and had him discharged until he was eighteen and old enough to join again. The war was over by then.

He ended up a Black and Tan (look them up) and then ended up moving to Tassie and marrying an Irish Catholic from convict stock.

I had a few older mates who fought in Borneo and Vietnam. Two good mates were in Vietnam and both of them died of ****ed up cancers that are really rare and found in two populations. Vietnamese and Australian/US Vietnam vets and their families. A few other guys I know from the Vietnam War drank themselves to death.

 
I can’t quite put my finger on how I feel about ANZAC day, sometimes I feel a sense of pride but I think I’ve started to realise more then anything I feel guilt, a bit of sadness and a small fear that the world is forgetting how bad total war is.

I have an immediate family member that’s fought in pretty much every war Australia has been a part of. My half brother who was a captain in the RAAF and “fought” in Afghanistan now has some role at the shrine, my biological father has this weird thing where he hangs it on him because “he thinks he’s too good to be a regular enlisted soldier”. It’s weird, but his dad, my grandfather was a hardcore military man who came home from war, sat in a chair dressed in a pressed suit everyday, barely spoke till he hung himself. He was very decorated with medals but threw them all away.

I doubt know what I’m trying to say, you definitely should be proud. I’m proud. I honestly don’t know if I’d have their courage but I hope I would.

Sometimes I feel like ANZAC day gets celebrated instead of really thinking about what people have gone through. I especially hate politicians cashing in on the day.
Its important to remember what your family went thru.

I think its important to remember that war is very ****ed up too and nearly always done for someone else's profit. Its rare that soldiers share in that profit. I often go to the dawn service but don't go to the pub or play two up any more. Nothing really to celebrate.
 
Really, well he ain’t a kid hahahahaha he is a grown ass man.

Really?
"Grown Ass Man" Sleeps with the light on I'll bet.

Westboro Baptist Church started this anti gay stuff. People would shut them up and down, ban them etc etc and Westboro started suing those people for hundreds of thousands of dollars for violating their first amendment rights to free speech and expression. They'd then use that money to fund other protests that people would shut down. Yay more court cases. It was quite an earner for a while till everyone cottoned on.

Truth, Justice and the American Way...

LOL.
 
Its important to remember what your family went thru.

I think its important to remember that war is very f’ed up too and nearly always done for someone else's profit. Its rare that soldiers share in that profit. I often go to the dawn service but don't go to the pub or play two up any more. Nothing really to celebrate.

It’s weird because I don’t really know any of them, so on ANZAC day I usually just wonder if I would’ve known them if my grandfather wasn’t a military man (selfish I know), it makes me wonder what he did that was so bad it haunted him for years till he killed himself. Then that makes me think is that the reason my biological father never really grew up and why he didn’t have anything to do with me, I literally used to think I didn’t have a dad (lol I know that seems ridiculous) till I was old enough to know that it was impossible to just have a mum.

So I suppose ANZAC day is different for me because it sort of makes me think selfishly, which is completely against how you’re supposed to think.

Though I must admit I will look at photos of my grandfathers medals (my brother got them re made or something which apparently pissed off a lot of his family) and they’re pretty awesome.
 

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I think this verse from “The band played waltzing Matilda” is brilliant and probably how a lot of them feel.

And so now every April, I sit on me porch
And I watch the parades pass before me
And I see my old comrades, how proudly they march
Reviving old dreams of past glories
And the old men march slowly, old bones stiff and sore
They're tired old heroes from a forgotten war
And the young people ask, "what are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question
But the band plays Waltzing Matilda
And the old men still answer the call
But as year follows year, more old men disappear
Someday no one will march there at all”
 
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His announcement is causing quite the ruckus.
 

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