Club Focus North Melbourne 2022 - Logue, Tucker, Sheezel, Wardlaw, George, Harvey, Drury, Free, Howe, Turner

[Taylor]

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[The Filth Wizard]

Both are true.

Scott did top up and he realise it wasn’t working and went to the board about rebuilding.

Was Scott alone in wanting to top up ? Either way it’s not a good look.

The fact that club felt they didn’t need to a do rebuild when asked for it, probably suggests that the club was behind him in topping up.

What they didn’t agree was the rebuild.

Yeah, it's always been a weird timeline. Essentially a year after Scott asked for the rebuild and was let go of, the club went all in on a top to bottom rebuild. Clearly the performances were awful but something went wrong during hub life with rumours guys like Tarrant were trying to leave, Brown's contract year from hell, Shaw's breakdown.

If Brad was leading the top up initiative then I guess turning around and saying rebuild after a ten year stint was clearly time to say goodbye at least to him. I get the club not wanting to rebuild straight away because it means years down the bottom and we've never done it and in particular we need a supporter buy in. In a way covid became the perfect smokescreen.

Saying that, the top up move was also doomed. Polec and Gaff turned into Polec and Pittard. Dusty was a miss but I don't think Kelly would have justified his coin. Certainly Gaff was a let off. Even if we got Gaff we would have convinced ourselves we were good to go and would be exactly where West Coast is now for example.

 

[Le Grille]

It'd be just our luck to have the first pick on the 2nd night of the draft and have Roos given a priority pick at the start of the the 2nd round. What's going on with CCJ? Give him a 4 year $2mill deal and play him in the reserves. I bet he's loving that.

We got demoted from that spot in 2021 for the Gold Coast pp and they finished above us.

 

[tiger_tough]

We got demoted from that spot in 2021 for the Gold Coast pp and they finished above us.

Bit stiff. Looks like eagles may well finish bottom at this rate anyhow.

 

[Brezsa]

Did they ever win less than 14 games in a 3 year period? It’s a bigger factor than missing finals.

Carlton won 15 in 3 years 16-18, including 2 in 18 with a percentage under 60% and got early access to state league players as well as a second round pick. That’s the precedent right there for North. Especially as 2020 was only a 17 game season as well, so it lines up well between Carlton and North & makes a simple precedent to follow.

 

[chopflop]

Scott also was the one who got them into that mess in early 2019 with his awful topping up from the year before and shocking recruiting from 2014-2017

Your name aged well!

 

[Sphynx]

Carlton won 15 in 3 years 16-18, including 2 in 18 with a percentage under 60% and got early access to state league players as well as a second round pick. That’s the precedent right there for North. Especially as 2020 was only a 17 game season as well, so it lines up well between Carlton and North & makes a simple precedent to follow.

Carlton received 3 PP's in the previous 10 years prior to that though, with one of those priority picks used to get Chris Judd to the club. With some of these being gained following the blowing up of the list after cheating the salary cap.....

When there's no framework around how they are awarded and it's down to the discretion of the AFL, the fact you recieved 3 of them in prior years was definitely a factor, as it was for Melbourne.


Completely weird Carlton supporters keep ignoring this.

 

[Brezsa]

Carlton received 3 PP's in the previous 10 years prior to that though, with one of those priority picks used to get Chris Judd to the club. With some of these being gained following the blowing up of the list after cheating the salary cap.....

When there's no framework around how they are awarded and it's down to the discretion of the AFL, the fact you reviewed 3 of them in prior years was definitely a factor, as it was for Melbourne.


Completely weird Carlton supporters keep ignoring this.

The previous PP where when the system was set in stone & had an exact science to it. The AFL stopped that as it obvious ended in a tanking scandal and moved it to the discretion model we have now.

Your list of Carlton failures only shows Carlton need the pick more than North, does. They had been bad for a significant longer amount of time. North have only been terrible for 3 years & all by their own making of continually thinking they where close to a premiership. Unfortunately that’s the cycle, they are at the bottom now let’s see if they can get it right

Like it or not that’s the precedent so you will have to be significantly worse than that to get pick two. It’s kinda of sad that your cheering your team on this early in the season to be that bad to get an extra pick , especially when you have just pointed out how little it helped Carlton

 

[Wild Bill]

The previous PP where when the system was set in stone & had an exact science to it. The AFL stopped that as it obvious ended in a tanking scandal and moved it to the discretion model we have now.

Your list of Carlton failures only shows Carlton need the pick more than North, does. They had been bad for a significant longer amount of time. North have only been terrible for 3 years & all by their own making of continually thinking they where close to a premiership. Unfortunately that’s the cycle, they are at the bottom now let’s see if they can get it right

Like it or not that’s the precedent so you will have to be significantly worse than that to get pick two. It’s kinda of sad that your cheering your team on this early in the season to be that bad to get an extra pick , especially when you have just pointed out how little it helped Carlton

The AFL will have wins over a certain period for priority picks - they won't release that figure due to previous clubs tanking.

Suns won 13 games over 3 years that lead to their picks - we need a 6 win season this year to reach 13. We are right in the mix for support.

Hopefully we don't make the same mistakes as the Blues.

 

[Sphynx]

The previous PP where when the system was set in stone & had an exact science to it. The AFL stopped that as it obvious ended in a tanking scandal and moved it to the discretion model we have now.

Your list of Carlton failures only shows Carlton need the pick more than North, does. They had been bad for a significant longer amount of time. North have only been terrible for 3 years & all by their own making of continually thinking they where close to a premiership. Unfortunately that’s the cycle, they are at the bottom now let’s see if they can get it right

Like it or not that’s the precedent so you will have to be significantly worse than that to get pick two. It’s kinda of sad that your cheering your team on this early in the season to be that bad to get an extra pick , especially when you have just pointed out how little it helped Carlton

Again, you ignored it.

Carlton did receive 3 of them (some of whom were still on your list) and was the main factor in them not receiving another one.

No one is cheering here and just because Carlton didn't capitalized doesn't mean that they are worthless.

Richmond benefited greatly from PP's. Alex Rance being one....

 

[Brezsa]

Again, you ignored it.

Carlton did receive 3 of them (some of whom were still on your list) and was the main factor in them not receiving another one.

No one is cheering here and just because Carlton didn't capitalized doesn't mean that they are worthless.

Richmond benefited greatly from PP's. Alex Rance being one....

I didn’t ignore those picks at all, like I said, those picks show that Carlton where struggling for a longer period than North have.

North should get a similar package to Carlton then if they are still down the bottom in 2 years it should be looked at again.

Personally PP shouldn’t exist, however they do and the AFL has been clear they want them to be used in extreme circumstances only, NM isn’t an extreme circumstances yet, they are just the worst team over the last 3 years. Not even the worst this year, compared to WCE, they also weren’t the worst in the start of the 3 year stretch that was Adelaide. It hasn’t reached a point to justify a the first pick. Especially when we are talking about the team who isn’t even in the bottom 2 right now. What are going to do it WCE still finish bottom, strip them of pick 1 to give it to North, just because there last 3 years have been worst

Richmond benefit greatly (as did Hawthorn & Carlton) under the old system of allocating PP. That system is gone & you keep ignoring it

 

[Wild Bill]

I didn’t ignore those picks at all, like I said, those picks show that Carlton where struggling for a longer period than North have.

North should get a similar package to Carlton then if they are still down the bottom in 2 years it should be looked at again.

Personally PP shouldn’t exist, however they do and the AFL has been clear they want them to be used in extreme circumstances only, NM isn’t an extreme circumstances yet, they are just the worst team over the last 3 years. Not even the worst this year, compared to WCE, they also weren’t the worst in the start of the 3 year stretch that was Adelaide. It hasn’t reached a point to justify a the first pick. Especially when we are talking about the team who isn’t even in the bottom 2 right now. What are going to do it WCE still finish bottom, strip them of pick 1 to give it to North, just because there last 3 years have been worst

Richmond benefit greatly (as did Hawthorn & Carlton) under the old system of allocating PP. That system is gone & you keep ignoring it

We are 2nd last by 4% and the Eagles have had the worst injury run that Ive seen. What happens to the Eagles this year is irrelvent to a PP for the Roos.

Weighting for a PP are on the most recent years - 4 wins in 2021 - 3 in 2020. We win less than 5 games we are a very good chance to get a pick. Find a team that has won less than 12 games in a 3 year period that didn't get a priority pick. I will save you some time - you won't be able to.

Where the PP falls will be the debate - after our 1st pick, middle of the 1st round or end of the 1st round.

 

[Couch Coach]

You can have a PP pick for 1 top Tasmanian player on the proviso you relocate.

Why does the AFL give concessions to poorly run football departments (trading out senior players and paying large $ to dud free agents)
Why does the AFL give concessions to poorly run football financial departments (equalisation)
Why does the AFL allow clubs that cheat rules (Cap and Drugs) the ability to keep their high draft picks when they only finished that low on the ladder due to being punished for their own screw ups.

Collingwood royally screwed our cap and had to give players away for basically nothing and screwed our finances previously (Hotels) yet we don't get an advantage for being crap.

Rant over.

 

[Brezsa]

We are 2nd last by 4% and the Eagles have had the worst injury run that Ive seen. What happens to the Eagles this year is irrelvent to a PP for the Roos.

Weighting for a PP are on the most recent years - 4 wins in 2021 - 3 in 2020. We win less than 5 games we are a very good chance to get a pick. Find a team that has won less than 12 games in a 3 year period that didn't get a priority pick. I will save you some time - you won't be able to.

Where the PP falls will be the debate - after our 1st pick, middle of the 1st round or end of the 1st round.

And I’m saying end of first round, then re access later.

 

[The Nostradamus]

You can have a PP pick for 1 top Tasmanian player on the proviso you relocate.

Why does the AFL give concessions to poorly run football departments (trading out senior players and paying large $ to dud free agents)
Why does the AFL give concessions to poorly run football financial departments (equalisation)
Why does the AFL allow clubs that cheat rules (Cap and Drugs) the ability to keep their high draft picks when they only finished that low on the ladder due to being punished for their own screw ups.

Collingwood royally screwed our cap and had to give players away for basically nothing and screwed our finances previously (Hotels) yet we don't get an advantage for being crap.

Rant over.

Lol your captain is a priority pick

I think if we have had one previously i would say we don’t deserve one but as we’ve never had one and now our win loss justifies it I have no issue

 

[Couch Coach]

Lol your captain is a priority pick

I think if we have had one previously i would say we don’t deserve one but as we’ve never had one and now our win loss justifies it I have no issue

Close.

Dale Thomas, Marc Murphy and Xavier Ellis from the 2005 draft were Priority picks.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Close.

Dale Thomas, Marc Murphy and Xavier Ellis from the 2005 draft were Priority picks.

Yep you’ve had yours and many other clubs

It’s now north’s turn

 

[Wild Bill]

Close.

Dale Thomas, Marc Murphy and Xavier Ellis from the 2005 draft were Priority picks.

So a poorly run Collingwood got concessions??

 

[Sphynx]

Close.

Dale Thomas, Marc Murphy and Xavier Ellis from the 2005 draft were Priority picks.

You don't draft Pendlebury without it though....

 

[Couch Coach]

You don't draft Pendlebury without it though....

The storey at the time was that we wanted Pendlebury first but knew that D Thomas would not be available at pick 5 (Hawthorn I believe wanted him at 3) so we took a risk.

Anyway that stuff from 17 years ago is not related to North.

 

[Dangerousfield]

A lot of North's situation is of their own making.

What was the giving away of Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

all about? Now North people talk about needing a KPF to pair with Larkey. You had Brown, you threw him away. Now you want the AFL to disadvantage well run clubs by giving you a PP!

There's plenty of young talent at North, just needs to be given time. Unlike GC, there's not a dozen other clubs incessantly preying on your young talent. Suck it up North and get on with it.

 

[Wild Bill]

It will be a nice present for the club if we get it - it will be an awesome present for Bigfooty if we do.

How salty will some be.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Close.

Dale Thomas, Marc Murphy and Xavier Ellis from the 2005 draft were Priority picks.

Josh Kennedy was our Priority Pick selection that year, nor Murphy FWIW

 

[Heaps of fun]

Pick 1 and 11 would be a fair intervention to help us turn things around.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

A lot of North's situation is of their own making.

What was the giving away of Ben Brown all about? Now North people talk about needing a KPF to pair with Larkey. You had Brown, you threw him away. Now you want the AFL to disadvantage well run clubs by giving you a PP!

There's plenty of young talent at North, just needs to be given time. Unlike GC, there's not a dozen other clubs incessantly preying on your young talent. Suck it up North and get on with it.

Can't say I've seen any North people saying we need a KPF to pair with Larkey, most are just waiting for Comben's body to be right. Brown on the other hand was nearly 70th league wise for goals last year and 40th this year which probably wouldn't help us because we have lesser delivery than Melbourne. And sure, he's played less games but that's a double whammy of not helping North. It's becoming a bit of a myth in footy social media, that Brown was a big loss for North.

Flip side definitely, the kids need more time. They'd look a lot better with Cunnington and Anderson protecting them.

 

[Wild Bill]

Josh Kennedy was our Priority Pick selection that year, nor Murphy FWIW

Murphy, Thomas and Ellis were the priority picks.