Club Focus North Melbourne 2022 - Logue, Tucker, Sheezel, Wardlaw, George, Harvey, Drury, Free, Howe, Turner

[Taylor]

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[archereleven]

The Suns had been terrible for a decade by then.

We both finished in 10th position the season prior to our 3 year wretched runs.

GC finished 10th then won 16 in 3 years

NM finished 10th and will probably win 11-14 in 3 years.

Based on the most recent PP compensation, we deserve a pick a straight after our 1st, at the very least a mid 1st, but will have to settle for end of 1st imho. If we receive one at all that is.

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[archereleven]

Agreed. And I think 1st round picks are a premium, I wouldn't want a potentially watered down pick after a club that has been inept gets an additional reward for said ineptitude. I think barring F/S, the 1st round should be sacrosanct. What is probably a better option and may not impact the equalisation of the draft would be the ability to pre-list mature age players which can then be on traded for picks or retained, or picks in the 2nd round. These 2nd round picks have value for clubs looking to increase their points for academy and FS

Why? We've had to suffer through roughly a dozen and a half watered down drafts due to PPs over the years. * them.



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[Couch Coach]

Josh Kennedy was our Priority Pick selection that year, nor Murphy FWIW

From Wiki:

 

[Foucault1989]

It will be a nice present for the club if we get it - it will be an awesome present for Bigfooty if we do.

How salty will some be.

Oh well. In previous years North fans hoped to land a "big fish" to laud it in the faces of other fans, now you're hoping to rub a priority pick in our faces.

You failed getting a big fish because no one actually wants to play in front of 15000 fans at 4 40 on a Sunday and you're not getting a priority pick because you intentionally gutted your list.

This is the bed your club made, you've got to lie in it.

 

[Wild Bill]

Oh well. In previous years North fans hoped to land a "big fish" to laud it in the faces of other fans, now you're hoping to rub a priority pick in our faces.

You failed getting a big fish because no one actually wants to play in front of 15000 fans at 4 40 on a Sunday and you're not getting a priority pick because you intentionally gutted your list.

This is the bed your club made, you've got to lie in it.

The Blues got a priority pick on the back of rorting the salary cap.

The bed your club made was to cheat.

Don't sook if it happens.

 

[Foucault1989]

The Blues got a priority pick on the back of rorting the salary cap.

The bed your club made was to cheat.

Don't sook if it happens.

The system you are referring to is 17 - 18 years old. That is not how priority picks are administered these days.

Anyways, to your substantive point, yes Carlton have been a bottom club for the better part of my life as a serious football fan. We breached the salary cap and were penalised at 2 subsequent drafts, as well as heavily fined. We did have access to priority picks under the previous system, a time when they was none if the following:

• Future pick trading.
• Free agency
• 18 teams
• Mid season drafts
• Considerably more player movement (even contracted players).

All of these factors, in various ways, have created more opportunities to rebuild a list in a more timely manner - not always, but plenty of recent examples of smart rebuilding on the run.

In 2015, we were smart at the trade and draft tables and recruited the following:
Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni. Looking pretty decent!

In summary, the football world has dramatically changed from a list management perspective since the mid 2000s. It's so irrelevant to continue to raise it despite recent precedence.

 

[Crow till I die]

Oh well. In previous years North fans hoped to land a "big fish" to laud it in the faces of other fans, now you're hoping to rub a priority pick in our faces.

You failed getting a big fish because no one actually wants to play in front of 15000 fans at 4 40 on a Sunday and you're not getting a priority pick because you intentionally gutted your list.

This is the bed your club made, you've got to lie in it.

Have not been on this thread for a while but its amazing that there is any talk of a PP considering North have just gutted their fitness and medical department at the end of last year and brought in a new team. This stuff will take some time to see the effects - give it time. Couple that with their other real need of experienced players - they should be scouring the free agency market and trade markets to bring in experience. They after all did shed a lot of senior players over the last few years and need to get some balance back in that area.

North have a plethora of high end young talent that they have brought in - they could have one of the best midfields for the next decade once they get the games into them - Horne Francis, Powell and Phillips + others. Larkey looks a great player in the making up forward and McKay down back is a pretty decent key defender. At the seasons end, they might be getting another pick 1 by finishing bottom (still time to play out there though) to add to what they already have - maybe a player like Lemmey who would be great going forward for their taller stocks.

A PP this year won't help them at all in the short term of becoming competitive, but next year their new back of house team might as would senior experienced players to help mentor and protect their youth. So the talk of a PP should be shelved imo - it is literally the last thing they need in the short term to get competitive

 

[Rich01]

The system you are referring to is 17 - 18 years old. That is not how priority picks are administered these days.

Anyways, to your substantive point, yes Carlton have been a bottom club for the better part of my life as a serious football fan. We breached the salary cap and were penalised at 2 subsequent drafts, as well as heavily fined. We did have access to priority picks under the previous system, a time when they was none if the following:

• Future pick trading.
• Free agency
• 18 teams
• Mid season drafts
• Considerably more player movement (even contracted players).

All of these factors, in various ways, have created more opportunities to rebuild a list in a more timely manner - not always, but plenty of recent examples of smart rebuilding on the run.

In 2015, we were smart at the trade and draft tables and recruited the following:
Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni. Looking pretty decent!

In summary, the football world has dramatically changed from a list management perspective since the mid 2000s. It's so irrelevant to continue to raise it despite recent precedence.

The Carlton rebuild was a true bottom up rebuild. And they look very good for it now. The one thing North can learn from that is that the list should be churned quickly and comprehensively. SOS did this every year he was at the helm. He tried to get value out of all his picks and advantages such as pre season draft (threats or real), rookie draft, pick trading etc.

Not all of these worked (including many retreads) and some may say that after striking gold in 2015 his drafting and trading given the picks he had weren’t exceptional. But he got the cornerstones of the team right and we can see that in the next few years it will all come together.

The big question for North is have they got their high end drafting right to set them up to create a team contending for premiership in several years time? And are they willing to churn through their list for the next few years to find the right players to support the future guns they have on their list now?

 

[harper2bastinac]

Your name aged well!

I agree with you, the potential they both had in 2011

 

[banzai]

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But if there was no priority picks they still get Murphy and Collingwood still get Thomas. Its Pendles you would lose.

 

[chopflop]

I agree with you, the potential they both had in 2011

Harper did show promise!

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Pick 1 and 11 would be a fair intervention to help us turn things around.

Can't say I've seen any North people saying we need a KPF to pair with Larkey, most are just waiting for Comben's body to be right. Brown on the other hand was nearly 70th league wise for goals last year and 40th this year which probably wouldn't help us because we have lesser delivery than Melbourne. And sure, he's played less games but that's a double whammy of not helping North. It's becoming a bit of a myth in footy social media, that Brown was a big loss for North.

Flip side definitely, the kids need more time. They'd look a lot better with Cunnington and Anderson protecting them.

You got Greenwood for the next 3 years protecting.

Why was dumont given the flick?
Not a world beater but a senior body that would play mid.

Greenwood 30
Anderson 28
Dumont 27
Simpkin 24
LDU 22
Thomas 22
Powell 20
JHF 18

Xerri 23
Goldy 33

Stephenson 23
Scott 21


With Anderson back I’d say that’s a pretty good midfield age profile for a developing team. Of course, quite a few of those guys have missed chunks of games so their game experience doesn’t quite match their age, but still should be physically ok.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The list isn’t even in that poor of shape for the long term, they just don’t have anyone capable of carrying the side yet. only time will fix that.
Comparing them to GC is pointless because no one faces challengers anything like they or GWS do.

 

[Mego Red]

The AFL will have wins over a certain period for priority picks - they won't release that figure due to previous clubs tanking.

Suns won 13 games over 3 years that lead to their picks - we need a 6 win season this year to reach 13. We are right in the mix for support.

Hopefully we don't make the same mistakes as the Blues.

Suns were also terrible for far longer and - with the AFL being opaque about what their weighting is now - there's no way to know whether they gave that serious priority.

The Suns were facing a question of survival. North isn't remotely comparable in reality.

 

[Mego Red]

Pick 1 and 11 would be a fair intervention to help us turn things around.

I think you're overestimating how much the AFL wants you to turn it around. A bad North Melbourne doesn't have much impact on the league.

 

[Mego Red]

Honestly, the fact that North Melbourne gave up their 2nd round pick this year for a player they could have gotten for free means they don't deserve a PP.

That was wasteful and incompetent. If you're not willing to use all of the options already available for rebuilding your list, then you don't get the bonus of extra ones.

 

[Wild Bill]

Suns were also terrible for far longer and - with the AFL being opaque about what their weighting is now - there's no way to know whether they gave that serious priority.

The Suns were facing a question of survival. North isn't remotely comparable in reality.

Your adding criteria that is not a criteria.

Wins - with most recent seasons holding greater weight - is a key criteria. Suns had 13 wins over 3 seasons. We won’t get to 13 over our last three.

We are a really good chance to get something at years end.

 

[Wild Bill]

Honestly, the fact that North Melbourne gave up their 2nd round pick this year for a player they could have gotten for free means they don't deserve a PP.

That was wasteful and incompetent. If you're not willing to use all of the options already available for rebuilding your list, then you don't get the bonus of extra ones.

Lol - more criteria added that has zero to do with getting priority picks. You can’t add your own criteria.

 

[Rich01]

Lol - more criteria added that has zero to do with getting priority picks. You can’t add your own criteria.

Sure. But it’s hard to defend against the fact that your SuperCoach list manager fluffed that deal.

 

[Wild Bill]

Sure. But it’s hard to defend against the fact that your SuperCoach list manager fluffed that deal.

Really - who walks players to the PSD?? It’s bad faith but has zero to do with if we get a pick or not.

 

[Mego Red]

Your adding criteria that is not a criteria.

Wins - with most recent seasons holding greater weight - is a key criteria. Suns had 13 wins over 3 seasons. We won’t get to 13 over our last three.

We are a really good chance to get something at years end.

When they don't have to tell you what the criteria are and it is at their discretion, ANYTHING can be a criteria.

 

[Mego Red]

Lol - more criteria added that has zero to do with getting priority picks. You can’t add your own criteria.

There are no fixed criteria. They can choose based on whatever they choose, up to and including "you made your bed, now lie in it."

 

[Mego Red]

Really - who walks players to the PSD?? It’s bad faith but has zero to do with if we get a pick or not.

Any club that genuinely wants to rebuild will use every means available to them.

If it wasn't meant to be used, it wouldn't be there.

If you don't, you're prioritising things as more important than being a success, such as "being good blokes".

 

[Marcel Proust]

Afl even more of a joke if north trade their future 2nd - then giving a end of first round pick

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Afl even more of a joke if north trade their future 2nd - then giving a end of first round pick

Current quality or perception of the player notwithstanding, we did trade that pick for somebody we think will be our #1 ruck in the coming years. Richmond might use it and draft somebody that never plays a game. It's why trades are won or lost at the end of a players career, not once the AFL signs off on it.