Toast Round 11 = Collingwood 79-75 Carlton

[magpienato]

See this annoys me. So many in the game day thread bagging Daisy, and much of it the usual misogynist, incel crap about her forward/appearance.

Watch the replay and listen to her commentary and she was by far the most insightful, and is as good as anyone at understanding and communicating what is going on. When the pies were blasting them away in the first quarter, her comment was that Carlton needed to get possession and chip it around a bit. Carlton did that and got the game back on their terms. When Tyler kicked the goal she made the comment that he wouldn't have had a better two minutes in his career. I think we all agree. And when N Daicos picked up that loose ball in the last quarter her comment that we know how good Carlton's small forwards can be, but Daicos was better, was exactly what I was thinking. And with less than two minutes to go and the pies chipping it around (eventually to J Daicos) she was saying that Carlton need to push up even if it means leaving one of our forwards loose out the back. Again, spot on. And when Darcy went for the mark with less than a minute to go and knicked it out of bounds, Daisy was immediate in noting a point would have been better. Again, spot on.

She has moments but they are few and far between. She doesn't provide a high standard of commentary and frankly her delivery comes across as if she's reading off a script. Heck, as annoying as BT is at times he is still one of the most entertaining commentators going round.

Probably the worst thing from yesterday was in the first half when she questioned that clear sling tackle and there being 'nothing in it'. She didn't even say it with any confidence either, just came off as really dumb gaffe.

It would be sexist of me to not hold female commentators to the same standard as males, wouldn't you agree?
I could say a lot of these things about male commentators and I do, James Brayshaw in particular.

 

[Apex36]

Yes, so 1 coach gave him 5 (BOG) and the other 4 (2nd best) to give the 9, so in effect BOG. It could be argued that Crisp was just as good as they had similar numbers, main difference was Crispy only scored a point whereas DeGoey got a goal. My point being DeG was good but he wasn’t best on, did he have that much influence on the game? Did he turn the game on its head? Was he everywhere? 1 centre clearance won from attending 21 centre bounces and 4 tackles laid tends to suggest not and he certainly didn’t win the ball out of the centre. But hey, everyone has an opinion … we all know what Dirty Harry says about opinions. For me, a 3 and a 3 would have been fair and reasonable. If it was based on pure numbers, Cerra had a better game and he only scored 2 votes so I think it is curious which metrics coaches use to award votes. Obviously not the same ones that joe public does.

Cerra 5 score involvements to JDG’s 11. Cerra’s game was statistically better, but the argument would be that Jordy had a greater impact per possession, which is obviously how the coaches saw it.

 

[No SPIN]

See this annoys me. So many in the game day thread bagging Daisy, and much of it the usual misogynist, incel crap about her forward/appearance.

Watch the replay and listen to her commentary and she was by far the most insightful, and is as good as anyone at understanding and communicating what is going on. When the pies were blasting them away in the first quarter, her comment was that Carlton needed to get possession and chip it around a bit. Carlton did that and got the game back on their terms. When Tyler kicked the goal she made the comment that he wouldn't have had a better two minutes in his career. I think we all agree. And when N Daicos picked up that loose ball in the last quarter her comment that we know how good Carlton's small forwards can be, but Daicos was better, was exactly what I was thinking. And with less than two minutes to go and the pies chipping it around (eventually to J Daicos) she was saying that Carlton need to push up even if it means leaving one of our forwards loose out the back. Again, spot on. And when Darcy went for the mark with less than a minute to go and knicked it out of bounds, Daisy was immediate in noting a point would have been better. Again, spot on.

Sorry but she is not more insightful than Hodge, Bucks, Dunstall, Reiwolt, Montagna, King, and that’s from the top of my head.

She’s probably on par with Del Santo and Ling.

 

[augie]

She has moments but they are few and far between. She doesn't provide a high standard of commentary and frankly her delivery comes across as if she's reading off a script. Heck, as annoying as BT is at times he is still one of the most entertaining commentators going round.

Probably the worst thing from yesterday was in the first half when she questioned that clear sling tackle and there being 'nothing in it'. She didn't even say it with any confidence either, just came off as really dumb gaffe.

It would be sexist of me to not hold female commentators to the same standard as males, wouldn't you agree?
I could say a lot of these things about male commentators and I do, James Brayshaw in particular.

They weren't few and far between. They were consistent throughout the call. And please don't bring the crap about holding females and males to the same standard. You know you don't. Others who comment on her voice know they don't.

 

[35Daicos]

JDG now the leading Pie in Coach votes. jathanas

Coaches' votes, R11: Gun Lion moves closer to top, Don perfect in defeat

The AFLCA votes are in for round 11

www.afl.com.au

Jack Crisp has him covered!

 

[augie]

Sorry but she is not more insightful than Hodge, Bucks, Dunstall, Reiwolt, Montania, King, and that’s from the top of my head.

She’s probably on par with Del Santo and Ling.

She was commenting with Ling wasn't she? Pretty clear she is several classes above him. And are you seriously bringing Dunstall, Montagna, Riewoldt and King into this? I can have Hodge and Buckley, but those others are well behind.

 

[Blues_1864]

I think the better way to show this is:

JDG - 5 & 4
Murphy - 3 & 1
Howe - 3
Cerra & Sidey - got 2s

The coach that gave Howe 3 must have given Murphy 1.

Noble & Walsh are the difficult ones.

One got a BOG 5 and nothing from the other coach.

The other got a 4 (from the coach that gave JDG 5) & 1 from other coach.

Walsh / Noble possible scores :
5 & 0 or 4 & 1.

Not a unique solution. Here's a valid variant:

Coach A: 5 = De Goey, 4 = Murphy, 3 = Noble/Walsh, 2 = Sidebottom/Cerra, 1 = Cerra/Sidebottom
Coach B: 5 = Walsh/Noble, 4 = De Goey, 3 = Howe, 2 = Noble/Walsh, 1 = Cerra/Sidebottom

Interesting set of votes though, for sure. Collingwood were very even in the midfield. In game, it felt like the pain came mostly from Sidebottom (who was far too clever for Cottrell) and Crisp, but De Goey's statline is pretty impressive.

 

[JuniorB]

See this annoys me. So many in the game day thread bagging Daisy, and much of it the usual misogynist, incel crap about her forward/appearance.

Watch the replay and listen to her commentary and she was by far the most insightful, and is as good as anyone at understanding and communicating what is going on. When the pies were blasting them away in the first quarter, her comment was that Carlton needed to get possession and chip it around a bit. Carlton did that and got the game back on their terms. When Tyler kicked the goal she made the comment that he wouldn't have had a better two minutes in his career. I think we all agree. And when N Daicos picked up that loose ball in the last quarter her comment that we know how good Carlton's small forwards can be, but Daicos was better, was exactly what I was thinking. And with less than two minutes to go and the pies chipping it around (eventually to J Daicos) she was saying that Carlton need to push up even if it means leaving one of our forwards loose out the back. Again, spot on. And when Darcy went for the mark with less than a minute to go and knicked it out of bounds, Daisy was immediate in noting a point would have been better. Again, spot on.

I agree. BT is about BT, sensationalising everything, Cameron Ling is Mister Obvious & mostly boring.
As you point out, Daisy's comments show a deep understanding of the game.

 

[sideswipe]

Coaches' votes, R11: Gun Lion moves closer to top, Don perfect in defeat

The AFLCA votes are in for round 11

www.afl.com.au

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Jack Crisp has him covered!

Error from me! Looked at the current current leader board thinking it was last week's and added Jordy's 9 to his 31. Guess we will have to wait until next week! jathanas

 

[No SPIN]

She was commenting with Ling wasn't she? Pretty clear she is several classes above him. And are you seriously bringing Dunstall, Montagna, Riewoldt and King into this? I can have Hodge and Buckley, but those others are well behind.

Yes I’m seriously saying all those others are ahead of her.
If you watched the “analysis” shows you’d understand she’s behind these guys. And I’ll also add Jordan Lewis as also being more insightful.

She is however better than Robbo.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Not a unique solution. Here's a valid variant:

Coach A: 5 = De Goey, 4 = Murphy, 3 = Noble/Walsh, 2 = Sidebottom/Cerra, 1 = Cerra/Sidebottom
Coach B: 5 = Walsh/Noble, 4 = De Goey, 3 = Howe, 2 = Noble/Walsh, 1 = Cerra/Sidebottom

Interesting set of votes though, for sure. Collingwood were very even in the midfield. In game, it felt like the pain came mostly from Sidebottom (who was far too clever for Cottrell) and Crisp, but De Goey's statline is pretty impressive.

Hmmm, this is probably more likely Id say especially with the praise Murphy received from Fly.

 

[Gone Critical]

The two coaches votes must have been:

5 - JDG
4 - noble / Walsh
3 - Howe
2 - Cerra / Sidebottom
1 - Murphy

5 - Walsh / Noble
4 - JDG
3 - Murphy
2 - Cerra / Sidebottom
1 - noble / Walsh

This also works, I believe

5 JDG
4 Murphy
3 Walsh/Noble
2 Cerra/Steele
1 Cerra/Steele

5 Walsh/Noble
4 JDG
3 Howe
2 Walsh/Noble
1 Cerra/Steele

Translates to

5 JDG, 4 Murph, 3 Walsh, 2 Cerra, 1 Sidey and
5 Noble, 4 JDG, 3 Howe, 2 Walsh, 1 Sidey
as one potential combo and realistically perhaps the most likely with Flys the Noble BOG

Wont do it but when we add yours and mine together, and i reckon they both work, the combos are much higher than they are usually.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

This also works, I believe

5 JDG
4 Murphy
3 Walsh/Noble
2 Cerra/Steele
1 Cerra/Steele

5 Walsh/Noble
4 JDG
3 Howe
2 Walsh/Noble
1 Cerra/Steele

Translates to

5 JDG, 4 Murph, 3 Walsh, 2 Cerra, 1 Sidey and
5 Noble, 4 JDG, 3 Howe, 2 Walsh, 1 Sidey
as one potential combo and realistically perhaps the most likely with Flys the Noble BOG

Wont do it but when we add yours and mine together, and i reckon they both work, the combos are much higher than they are usually.

I must have missed that Noble was Flys BOG. Your scenario definitely more likely. Walsh was amazing, so highly doubt either coach game him 0.

 

[Gone Critical]

I must have missed that Noble was Flys BOG. Your scenario definitely more likely. Walsh was amazing, so highly doubt either coach game him 0.

Noble as Flys BOG is my guess

 

[Blues_1864]

I must have missed that Noble was Flys BOG. Your scenario definitely more likely. Walsh was amazing, so highly doubt either coach game him 0.

If McRae named Noble BOG, then your own solution is the most likely. Hard to imagine Murphy getting 4 from Voss and 0 from McRae. 3 from McRae and 1 from Voss much more likely.

 

[Markfs]

dunno about daisy but brian taylor asking the same question about weedering half a dozen times in each of the first two quarters almost drove me crazy.... i used to like him but he's become a bit of a cardboard cut out of himself.

daisy is not in the same league as job watson.... who is probably suffering from some post drug malais...

 

[Stripes B and W]

We marked their high balls. They were more dangerous at ground level and created a couple of goals from the hotspot bombs with a heap less ground ball opportunities. I think we're a crumber short.

Have really needed an explosive crumber with elite lateral movement and a nose for a goal for quite awhile now.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I really like Daisy (Pearce) but someone brought up Underwood and I can’t stand listening to her. Don’t know what that says about me.

 

[Albert Parker]

I come in peace!

Just wanted to say it was fantastic to get back to the G with my Collingwood mates and swap insults, then head out for a few beers and argue the who's, the what's and the when's!

There is no doubt that footy needed that game to get the passion back, even though we all know it never left us.

Congrats on the win and we will see you later in the year, hopefully with a few more talls available...

Yes, we look forward to having Brodie Grundy, Nathan Kreuger, Charlie Dean, Ash Johnson available to select from.
BTW you and your mates weren't hanging out on Hoddle St later were you?

 

[JoinDate]

I really like Daisy (Pearce) but someone brought up Underwood and I can’t stand listening to her. Don’t know what that says about me.

Apparently criticising a woman makes you an incel.

 

[sr36]

Apparently criticising a woman makes you an incel.

What's an incel?

 

[JoinDate]

What's an incel?

GTS, sr. GTS.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Apparently criticising a woman makes you an incel. [emoji846]

Well I’m a married man, so same same really.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What's an incel?

INvoluntarily CELebate.

Males who can’t get laid, because women.

These people are worse than scum.

 

[sr36]

GTS, sr. GTS.

Like GTs, but used to more of a Holden fan.