Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[VictorianCrow85]

Lol. That’s even worse (if true)

Yes Sanders, what's even worse is it took Me 1 google search & 40 seconds to prove you wrong. Imagine what could be done in 30 minutes. I know it hurts your ego and belief that you that you are the Adelaide boards know it all but you'll persevere as you've done for years in the belief that everything you say is correct.

 

[BRL121]

Lol Sanders only you could ignore the statement in point blank to try dig your heels in to preserve the idea that you are right...

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What part of "but we all signed off on a four year rebuild last year" is ambiguous?? LMAO.

Oh thats right though sanders you're so gifted that you know better what the Freo football club was doing than Ross Lyon, the head coach at the time. Riiiiiiggggghhtttt LOL.

I'm a late entry here and won't engage further, but I would have thought that a restumping would be proven only by the actual changes, rather than something a coach says, especially Lyon. Look at the inconsistencies between what Nicks says and then does, for example (and there's nothing wrong with that).

 

[skam85]

with all the frenzy of a fapping gibbon in overdrive

what a simultaneously incredible and disturbing analogy

 

[adelaidecrows]

I would say Fremantle went through a pretty good rebuild. It wasn't to the same depths as the Crows though. I mean the Crows went all in which very few clubs ever do. But, that doesn't change the fact Nick's should be able to show us more than he has in nearly 3 seasons.

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[Thetrader15]

Injuries mean a hell of a lot.

Can you imagine how uncompetitive we would be if we lost Keays and Dawson?!?!?!

Keays out might mean Schoenberg would be in the middle...

 

[VictorianCrow85]

I'm a late entry here and won't engage further, but I would have thought that a restumping would be proven only by the actual changes, rather than something a coach says, especially Lyon. Look at the inconsistencies between what Nicks says and then does, for example (and there's nothing wrong with that).

Well I don't disagree with that.

If you look at Freo's list management 2016 was the biggest movement they've ever had with delistings between 2013 & 2021, 11 in total then 3 traded out. Factor that at the same time as they started to pump games into their younger guys at the mid way point of the season and what do you call that?

Here's a little look at Freo's average season list movement:

• 2013 = 8 (7 delistings, 1 retired)
• 2014 = 6 (4 delistings, 2 retired)
• 2015 = 10 (8 delistings, 3 traded
• 2016 = 14 (11 delistings, 3 traded)
• 2017 = 12 (6 delistings, 2 retired, 3 traded)
• 2018 = 11 (7 delistings, 3 retired, 1 traded)
• 2019 = 10 (7 delistings, 1 retired, 2 traded)
• 2020 = 9 (8 delistings, 1 traded)
• 2021 = 9 (8 delistings, 1 traded)

For those whos 'oh but but but they brought in experienced players too'.. of course they did! They were having players traded out and some picked off them so they had the capital in both draft + $$ to bring them in. Just because you're rebuilding doesn't mean you can't bring in mature guys who will in theory improve your list. Clubs ultimately try balance the amount of youth & experience in a side at any time.

Now I'm not going to say Ross Lyon didn't revert to his normal and lean towards choosing experience at selection, it's a familiar trait amongst AFL clubs who always seem to do it, as Adelaide supporters we should know this better than anyone.

 

[WetCrow1991]

For those whos 'oh but but but they brought in experienced players too'.. of course they did!

Quotes that aren't quotes are really annoying and lazy.

 

[Sanders]

Lol Sanders only you could ignore the statement in point blank to try dig your heels in to preserve the idea that you are right...

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What part of "but we all signed off on a four year rebuild last year" is ambiguous?? LMAO.

Oh thats right though sanders you're so gifted that you know better what the Freo football club was doing than Ross Lyon, the head coach at the time. Riiiiiiggggghhtttt LOL.

Look, you can ignore the rest if you want. That’s up to you. Lyon makes it clear they are not undertaking anything that fits with what is understood to be a rebuild.

It is clear that Freo was trying to do something. But it’s not or wasn’t a full rebuild

They were trying to win, they weren’t to trying to hit the draft, drop down the ladder to accumulate draft capital etc all the things associated with an actual rebuild

They were recruiting senior players so they didn’t have to drop down the ladder. They didn’t everything to avoid rebuilding

Whatever it was that they were trying to do, they weren’t happy with the approach as they sacked Lyon and appointed Longmuir to do a proper rebuild.

Their approach changed with Longmuir, they stopped trying to recruit big names, they started going to the draft and trusting in a process

There are many ways to reconstruct & rejuvenate a list, look at Geelong, look at Port Adelaide, look at Adelaide before 2020 etc

A proper rebuild is only one of them, and Freo weren’t doing that under Lyon.

 

[Sanders]

Yes Sanders, what's even worse is it took Me 1 google search & 40 seconds to prove you wrong. Imagine what could be done in 30 minutes. I know it hurts your ego and belief that you that you are the Adelaide boards know it all but you'll persevere as you've done for years in the belief that everything you say is correct.

it almost admirable how much denial you’re in.

You post something that is wrong in what it says, you don’t know enough to recognise that it’s wrong, and still you think it proves you right?

 

[Sanders]

Quotes that aren't quotes are really annoying and lazy.

He’s got form making things up

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yawn... another thread goes to the way of shit fight.

 

[Firewalker]

Can we take ‘new’ out of the thread title, it annoys me, he’s certainly not ‘new’ anymore

 

[cleanhands]

He’s got form making things up

Lol

 

[Sanders]

I'm a late entry here and won't engage further, but I would have thought that a restumping would be proven only by the actual changes, rather than something a coach says, especially Lyon. Look at the inconsistencies between what Nicks says and then does, for example (and there's nothing wrong with that).

Whilst true that they didn’t do what Lyon said, it’s also true he didn’t exactly say what this clown was claiming either

He makes it clear they have a dual narrative and intended to aim high, win games etc

Lyon makes it clear they are not rebuilding in any conventional sense, and over the next couple of years they don’t

Like Port Adelaide they wanted to arrest their slide down the ladder by trading in big name senior players.

They gave up on that plan, sacked their coach, and appointed someone to conduct an actual rebuild process

Someone else said, quite fairly, that they’ve gotten a boost by the fact that they hit with the picks they did take

 

[rocket18]

Rowie:

Adelaides coaching and development is poor, nekminut Nicks is doing a great job.

What a clown.

You didn't need the middle sentence

When you are wanting your son to get another game and another contract, it's not as if he can rip into the coach relentlessly

Wow, if that is even a tiny bit true our club is truly ducked.

Fancy basing selection and list management decisions on some valid criticism from a numpty on the radio.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What I don’t get, these coaches have all played afl, been assistants for awhile. Yet we’ve seen stupid selections, stupid midfield set ups, stupid game plans. Now are they all on the same page when someone suggests these? Are they just overruled by Nicks? Does Nick listen to his assistants too much?

How does it happen? How can numpties on Big Footy identify these issues and not professionals who are paid a shit load of money to make good decisions?

David Noble's comment about the coaches having a great day earlier this season but the players having a shocker wouldn't be too out of step with how our guys view things imho

We'd be thinking that our structure, our selections, our game plan, our rotations, the senior players we've chosen to be leaders etc are all on the ball. Elite, competition-leading stuff.

So the problems must lie elsewhere.

 

[Crowboto]

Can we take ‘new’ out of the thread title, it annoys me, he’s certainly not ‘new’ anymore

And while we're at it can we please put "Sack" at the start of the title.

 

[Sanders]

David Noble's comment about the coaches having a great day earlier this season but the players having a shocker wouldn't be too out of step with how our guys view things imho

We'd be thinking that our structure, our selections, our game plan, our rotations, the senior players we've chosen to be leaders etc are all on the ball. Elite, competition-leading stuff.

So the problems must lie elsewhere.

Bill Belichick, whom many consider the greatest NFL coach of all time famously lost a playoff game back in 2011 or 2012 (?) against Baltimore that they were heavily favoured to win.

Not a man known for taking a loss well, and everyone was flat and depressed after the game. He came into the rooms afterwards and personally apologised to the players for letting them down. He apologised to each of them for not preparing them well enough to win the game.

Now compare that to “the coaches had an awesome game, it’s just you dumb assed players who suck”

 

[AFC979810]

Bill Belichick, whom many consider the greatest NFL coach of all time famously lost a playoff game back in 2011 or 2012 (?) against Baltimore that they were heavily favoured to win.

Not a man known for taking a loss well, and everyone was flat and depressed after the game. He came into the rooms afterwards and personally apologised to the players for letting them down. He apologised to each of them for not preparing them well enough to win the game.

Now compare that to “the coaches had an awesome game, it’s just you dumb assed players who suck”

Doesn't sound very Belichick. Assume you are talking their Conference championship loss in Jan of 2013.

Any proof?

 

[jamesclean]

man this is a shit thread hahaha

 

[AFC979810]

man this is a shit thread hahaha

Ha. What are you expecting? Over the past 3 years we have won 1 game out of every 4 we have played.

 

[jamesclean]

Ha. What are you expecting? Over the past 3 years we have won 1 game out of every 4 we have played.

I absolutely froth people splitting hairs over when/whether Fremantle began a rebuild

 

[AFC979810]

I absolutely froth people splitting hairs over when/whether Fremantle began a rebuild

I agree.

Especially when the correct answer is that Freo never went through a rebuild.

 

[Sanders]

Doesn't sound very Belichick. Assume you are talking their Conference championship loss in Jan of 2013.

Any proof?

Sure, it’s in Michael Lombardi’s book “gridiron genius”

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[Sanders]

I absolutely froth people splitting hairs over when/whether Fremantle began a rebuild

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