Prediction Changes: Round 23 Vs GWS + pre-match discussion

[freo_leo29]

That ship has sailed.

Was the only player mentioned by JL outside of our normal 25 that could get a gig

JL brought him up by name without someone suggesting him

 

[freo1997]

That ship has sailed.

Wishful thinking i know. Keep thinking he’s the September surprise.

But then I remembered our coach isn’t a whacky Blight type.

 

[freo1997]

Was the only player mentioned by JL outside of our normal 25 that could get a gig

JL brought him up by name without someone suggesting him

When

 

[freo_leo29]

When

Sat morning on ABC

Sports Talk - ABC listen

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www.abc.net.au

35 minutes in

 

[Wilksyy]

If Lobb is injured he shouldn't play but I guess it would be nice to have him in to at least be a decoy for Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

.

 

[_007_]

Out Shultz? Mate our FWD line is the problem and you want to get rid of the best defensive fwd who has kicked the 2nd most goals for us??
For who? Fyfe?? FMD he hasn't got a defensive bone in his body.

Yeah. For most of the season I would have preferred to drop Walters but he has hit some form lately. Could argue Frederick should come out before Schultz but I like his pace.

 

[muckypup]

more unlikely than likely tho

Collingwood are all hype. After stirring comeback victories over ... wait ... North Melbourne ... and ... Adelaide? The media is all over it only because it suits a nice narrative. We need to win this game and if we do better than 50% we are in the top 4. Multi that sh*t.

 

[s_wd6]

Yeah. For most of the season I would have preferred to drop Walters but he has hit some form lately. Could argue Frederick should come out before Schultz but I like his pace.

Yes. Frederick who has kicked more goals than any one else on the team in the past 3 weeks should be dropped. You can definitely argue that.

 

[wakojako]

Yeah. For most of the season I would have preferred to drop Walters but he has hit some form lately. Could argue Frederick should come out before Schultz but I like his pace.

What is it with people bagging Freddy? Do people who make these comments actually watch us play? He is our most in-form small forward alongside Walters. Schultz is the one way out of form atm that needs a kick up the ass.

 

[_007_]

Yes. Frederick who has kicked more goals than any one else on the team in the past 3 weeks should be dropped. You can definitely argue that.

Yes. Lobb who played the worst game out of anyone on the team last week should be dropped. You can definitely argue that.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

It is personnel on the forwards part. I don't know if coaching can fix it. For someone like Freddy, I can at least seem him learning and getting better. But we need natural forwards who know what to do on instinct. Our goals mostly come from hard work and luck, and not enough from natural forward craft.

The goal Freddy ended up kicking in the third should have been a far more easier passage to goal. Logue got the ball on the wing in miles of space and all that was ahead was Freddy on old man Hurn. Schultz was way on the other side near the 50.

There should have been two options ... kick over the top where Freddy would burn Hurn and run into the goal square. Or kick to Schultz who has held his ground at 35m out and made his opponent choose whether to cover Freddy running into the square (kick to Schultz) or stay on Schultz (kick to Freddy). They should be where the arrows are below. Or Freddy could also double back to Logue for a chip pass (sort of what Logue made him do, but if it was Freddy's idea he would have had separation with his speed).

Instead, Freddy runs around in circles and basically stands next to Hurn, not sure what to do, and Schultz sprints to the goal square chasing his man who is goal side and sprinting to cover a kick over the top. Giving Logue nothing much to kick to and luckily Walters comes to the rescue. If this play stuffed up, I bet most people would be blaming Logue. But Freddy and Schultz are the ones who made it difficult.

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Yep that was a terrible passage of play by Freddy who thankfully was able to kick the goal in the end. He needed to commit either way, come at Logue for a short kick/leave the back open or, my preference, burn towards goal and then double back for a hard leave.

Like you say he was kind of forced into the latter by the kick from Logue which was probably Logue's best option given where everyone was at the time. The kick to Schultz would be risky I think, that kick would be in the air for a long time and the over the top probably doesn't get there quick enough to not be spoiled.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Anyway for me it is

Out: Lobb, Tucker (medi-sub)
In: Meek, Sturt

Darcy to camp forward most of the game. Banners to go and play a full game at Peel as a forward. Fyfe if fit limited minutes at Peel.

I would almost rather lose this game than have injuries to Lobb/Fyfe/Darcy exacerbated.

 

[FreoRicci]

Anyway for me it is

Out: Lobb, Tucker (medi-sub)
In: Meek, Sturt

Darcy to camp forward most of the game. Banners to go and play a full game at Peel as a forward. Fyfe if fit limited minutes at Peel.

I would almost rather lose this game than have injuries to Lobb/Fyfe/Darcy exacerbated.

Fyfe will come in for Lobb.
Meek for Banfield
Sturt for Tucker
Better forward line.

Would love to trial Meek. Finals and possibly playing Geelong (if 4th), or Richmond (if 5th or 6th).
Would love to chop out Darcy and have Meek battling. Did go with Darcy lone ruck v Richmond and got close to losing due to Tigers exploiting that.

 

[Scham]

It is personnel on the forwards part. I don't know if coaching can fix it. For someone like Freddy, I can at least seem him learning and getting better. But we need natural forwards who know what to do on instinct. Our goals mostly come from hard work and luck, and not enough from natural forward craft.

The goal Freddy ended up kicking in the third should have been a far more easier passage to goal. Logue got the ball on the wing in miles of space and all that was ahead was Freddy on old man Hurn. Schultz was way on the other side near the 50.

There should have been two options ... kick over the top where Freddy would burn Hurn and run into the goal square. Or kick to Schultz who has held his ground at 35m out and made his opponent choose whether to cover Freddy running into the square (kick to Schultz) or stay on Schultz (kick to Freddy). They should be where the arrows are below. Or Freddy could also double back to Logue for a chip pass (sort of what Logue made him do, but if it was Freddy's idea he would have had separation with his speed).

Instead, Freddy runs around in circles and basically stands next to Hurn, not sure what to do, and Schultz sprints to the goal square chasing his man who is goal side and sprinting to cover a kick over the top. Giving Logue nothing much to kick to and luckily Walters comes to the rescue. If this play stuffed up, I bet most people would be blaming Logue. But Freddy and Schultz are the ones who made it difficult.

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The penny is finally starting to drop around here!

 

[Swiggy]

In
Fyfe
meek / Sturt

out
tucker
lobb (rest)

 

[bushchook]

What is it with people bagging Freddy? Do people who make these comments actually watch us play? He is our most in-form small forward alongside Walters. Schultz is the one way out of form atm that needs a kick up the ass.

He's in form now but when he's not he's lucky to touch it 5 times.

 

[kingswood71]

It is personnel on the forwards part. I don't know if coaching can fix it. For someone like Freddy, I can at least seem him learning and getting better. But we need natural forwards who know what to do on instinct. Our goals mostly come from hard work and luck, and not enough from natural forward craft.

The goal Freddy ended up kicking in the third should have been a far more easier passage to goal. Logue got the ball on the wing in miles of space and all that was ahead was Freddy on old man Hurn. Schultz was way on the other side near the 50.

There should have been two options ... kick over the top where Freddy would burn Hurn and run into the goal square. Or kick to Schultz who has held his ground at 35m out and made his opponent choose whether to cover Freddy running into the square (kick to Schultz) or stay on Schultz (kick to Freddy). They should be where the arrows are below. Or Freddy could also double back to Logue for a chip pass (sort of what Logue made him do, but if it was Freddy's idea he would have had separation with his speed).

Instead, Freddy runs around in circles and basically stands next to Hurn, not sure what to do, and Schultz sprints to the goal square chasing his man who is goal side and sprinting to cover a kick over the top. Giving Logue nothing much to kick to and luckily Walters comes to the rescue. If this play stuffed up, I bet most people would be blaming Logue. But Freddy and Schultz are the ones who made it difficult.

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100% Logue's fault....
........He should have had 2 bounces and kicked a blinding left foot goal from 45

 

[Joose]

Lobb simply has to be rested this Saturday. Give him 2 weeks recovery. If he aggravates the injury we will be up the proverbial without the proverbial.

However the club never listens to me so they will play him.

I don't know why I bother honestly.

 

[SiempreFreo]

He retired and won't be playing any further games so no need to worry...

True, no Matty de B but our previous Giants game this year shows Freo need to be on form.

Despite a massive free kick count for us (40 v 16) Freo could only get a point clear of the strong speedy Giants up to the last 10 minutes of Q4. That was despite having a fit Tabs and Lobb.

BTW a then more confident Trav Colyer kicked off Freo's late Q4 surge with a fine goal, followed by Andy, Switta, Freddy, Darcy and finally, Tabs.

 

[stax on the mull]

In the Rd 4 game against GWS, Pruess matched it with Darcy in the physicality and won more hit outs. Could have been that Darcy was a bit more tentative back then after having missing rounds 1,3 and being subbed off in Rd 2.

Might be good this week to share the ruck duties. Meek in. Darcy plays a bit more forward with Fyfe and Logue as the 3 talls rotating in the forward 50m and Lobb given a 2 week break to strengthen that shoulder. Don't really like this set up, but forward options seem limited.

I felt like Longmuir in the post match interview said too much about how long Lobb has been carrying that injury and how vulnerable he is with a hit in the wrong spot - but I guess other clubs pick up that information from watching the games closely. Will get tested out in the finals.

 

[SiempreFreo]

If Lobb is injured he shouldn't play but I guess it would be nice to have him in to at least be a decoy for Sam Taylor.

Others will know more re strategy, but I suspect it kills team energy and momentum if play ends at an essentially hollow target.

 

[freo1997]

Anyway for me it is

Out: Lobb, Tucker (medi-sub)
In: Meek, Sturt

Darcy to camp forward most of the game. Banners to go and play a full game at Peel as a forward. Fyfe if fit limited minutes at Peel.

I would almost rather lose this game than have injuries to Lobb/Fyfe/Darcy exacerbated.

Yeah I was on the Fyfe and Sturt train this week, but I’m liking Meek and Sturt.

Big Darcy plays deep fwd bring the ball down. Sturt lead out target. Logue plays traditional high CHF.

Put Fyfe/Lobb on ice until 1st week of finals. If Meek plays a blinder he’ll probably be dropped for Lobb regardless. If Sturt performs I would prefer he stays in the team or at least medi sub.

 

[Purple Jesus]

I reckon Amiss might be a sneaky chance.

 

[wakojako]

I reckon Amiss might be a sneaky chance.

The only thing holding him back is his tank.

 

[Wilksyy]

It’s gonna be Banners KPF