List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Mego Red]

The question wasn't Thilthorpe over Phillips, it was Thilthorpe over Hollands (at least as far as BF was concerned)... but I tend to agree with you that we got this one right. Choosing McAsey over most of the available mids in his draft was arguably our big missed opportunity.

Yeah, sadly that was a remarkable balls up.

I get why they picked McAsey, I guess - but almost anyone else picked in the next half dozen would have been VASTLY better.

 

[Mego Red]

And the whole losing a match because of it

That's why we lost against Hawthorn?

I would have though the whole "kicking 15 points in an entire half" was a bigger issue that it taking Lynch ten minutes to get on the ground.

A **** up, but the obvious point remains - that young players are better off getting full games in the twos than sitting on the pine and twiddling their thumbs in the seniors.

 

[Mego Red]

Also very unlucky to get that Achilles injuries, already a horrible injury let alone when you are 29.

Brown only has one more year, right?

 

[Velvet George]

That's why we lost against Hawthorn?

I would have though the whole "kicking 15 points in an entire half" was a bigger issue that it taking Lynch ten minutes to get on the ground.

A * up, but the obvious point remains - that young players are better off getting full games in the twos than sitting on the pine and twiddling their thumbs in the seniors.

You know the choice didn’t have to be injured senior player or young player don’t you?

 

[jackster83]

Brown only has one more year, right?

Yep, according to Footywire.

Contracted until end of 2023
Luke Brown
Rory Sloane
Chayce Jones
Harry Schoenberg
Andrew McPherson
Josh Worrell
Shane McAdam
Jordan Butts (R)
Fischer McAsey
Tom Doedee
Darcy Fogarty
Lachlan Murphy
Nick Murray (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
Matthew Crouch
Paul Seedsman
Jackson Hately
Zac Talyor
Luke Nankervis
Taylor Walker

With all those players out of contract, we probably don't want to be dipping too much into our 2023 draft hand this year.

 

[Mutineer]

The question wasn't Thilthorpe over Phillips, it was Thilthorpe over Hollands (at least as far as BF was concerned)... but I tend to agree with you that we got this one right. Choosing McAsey over most of the available mids in his draft was arguably our big missed opportunity.

Other than #8 Caleb Serong (another one of this board's "shortarse" mids) who are these genuine mids you talk of? #10 Tom Green would have matched immediately, #11 Sam Flanders really a forward/mid and another "shortarse", #14 Miles Bergman not really killing it for Powa.
Genuine big bodied mid #16 Cooper Stephens coming off a horrific broken leg that saw him miss 2 years of football and only play this season, #17 Brodie Kemp had played some midfield but more a defender/utility and coming off a late season ACL, #20 Sam Philp who hasn't played any AFL since 2020 (2 games) and not a great kick.

#21 Thompson Dow shown a a bit but nothing startling and #22 Deven Robertson who has struggled to break into the Lions midfield, handy player but very similar to mids already on our list....that's the mid prospects taken in the 1st round, #24 Harry Schoenberg going better than all bar Serong and Green who was unavailable to us anyhow.

Sydney 3rd pick in that draft #39 Chad Warner is the mid that all recruiters got wrong and even Sydney took another mid #5 Dylan Stephens way way before him and a mid/forward #36 Elijah Taylor before him.

 

[spenze]

That's why we lost against Hawthorn?

I would have though the whole "kicking 15 points in an entire half" was a bigger issue that it taking Lynch ten minutes to get on the ground.

A * up, but the obvious point remains - that young players are better off getting full games in the twos than sitting on the pine and twiddling their thumbs in the seniors.

You're just trolling now.

If giving junior players a full game in the SANFL was so important that weekend, why didn't we make David Mackay the sub against Hawthorn? Yeah, he was coming back from injury but was cleared to play and starred in the SANFL but we took an injured player over, got caught out and played one down for over a quarter, put an injured player on the park with an injury so bad, he didn't play in the firsts for 12 weeks and lost by 3 points.

It was a decision so shit that nobody did it before or after we did it.

Justifying playing an injured player as a sub...FMD.

 

[Velvet George]

Other than #8 Caleb Serong (another one of this board's "shortarse" mids) who are these genuine mids you talk of? #10 Tom Green would have matched immediately, #11 Sam Flanders really a forward/mid and another "shortarse", #14 Miles Bergman not really killing it for Powa.
Genuine big bodied mid #16 Cooper Stephens coming off a horrific broken leg that saw him miss 2 years of football and only play this season, #17 Brodie Kemp had played some midfield but more a defender/utility, #20 Sam Philp who hasn't played any AFL since 2020 (2 games) and not a great kick.

#21 Thompson Dow shown a a bit but nothing startling and #22 Deven Robertson who has struggled to break into the Lions midfield, handy player but very similar to mids already on our list....that's the mid prospects taken in the 1st round, #24 Harry Schoenberg going better than all bar Serong and Green who was unavailable to us anyhow.

Sydney 3rd pick in that draft #39 Chad Warner is the mid that all recruiters got wrong and even Sydney took another mid #5 Dylan Stephens way way before him and a mid/forward #36 Elijah Taylor before him.

You didn’t need to post anything else once you mentioned Serong, clearly the best mid available and Hamish overlooked him, can’t be because of his height, he just stuffed up. It’s ok, recruiters do it, you can acknowledge that at least.

 

[GROTTO]

Any chance Seedsman or Brown will retire?

Brown is lucky we stupidly signed him up to that generous contract. He's been cooked since halfway through 2021.

Sloane should. Its selfish that he wants to play next year at his age off an ACL.

I wonder how many "good" games he will need to have under his belt in the SANFL to play for the Crows again.

 

[Mutineer]

You didn’t need to post anything else once you mentioned Serong, clearly the best mid available and Hamish overlooked him, can’t be because of his height, he just stuffed up. It’s ok, recruiters do it, you can acknowledge that at least.

Still struggling for material I see...

Could have kept pick 4 and taken Redleg's mid #5 Dylan Stephens which would have been our likely pick and this board's favourite I guess, admittedly going a whole lot better than McAsey but not setting the AFL alight just yet

 

[Velvet George]

Still struggling for material I see...

Could have kept pick 4 and taken Redleg's mid #5 Dylan Stephens which would have been our likely pick and this board's favourite I guess, admittedly going a whole lot better than McAsey but not setting the AFL alight just yet

Don’t need new material, you brought up our drafting options, I merely pointed out clearly Hamish made a mistake by not picking Serong. Do you disagree?

 

[BigFella!]

Other than #8 Caleb Serong (another one of this board's "shortarse" mids) who are these genuine mids you talk of? #10 Tom Green would have matched immediately, #11 Sam Flanders really a forward/mid and another "shortarse", #14 Miles Bergman not really killing it for Powa.
Genuine big bodied mid #16 Cooper Stephens coming off a horrific broken leg that saw him miss 2 years of football and only play this season, #17 Brodie Kemp had played some midfield but more a defender/utility and coming off a late season ACL, #20 Sam Philp who hasn't played any AFL since 2020 (2 games) and not a great kick.

#21 Thompson Dow shown a a bit but nothing startling and #22 Deven Robertson who has struggled to break into the Lions midfield, handy player but very similar to mids already on our list....that's the mid prospects taken in the 1st round, #24 Harry Schoenberg going better than all bar Serong and Green who was unavailable to us anyhow.

Sydney 3rd pick in that draft #39 Chad Warner is the mid that all recruiters got wrong and even Sydney took another mid #5 Dylan Stephens way way before him and a mid/forward #36 Elijah Taylor before him.

Personally I would have placed a bid on Tom Green at Pick 6 and if GWS matched I would have selected Hayden Young who had the best kick in that draft and a great intercept mark and reader of the play. Young does a lot of damage running off of half back but I also believe he has the capacity to play through the midfield and wing. Young is also a great size and would make a change from our 16 sub 6 foot players.

 

[Dewy006]

Personally I would have placed a bid on Tom Green at Pick 6 and if GWS matched I would have selected Hayden Young who had the best kick in that draft and a great intercept mark and reader of the play. Young does a lot of damage running off of half back but I also believe he has the capacity to play through the midfield and wing. Young is also a great size and would make a change from our 16 sub 6 foot players.

I would hazard a guess that we had some sort of handshake deal with GWS to not bid on Green once we traded with them for their first the following year. Serong is the big one, didn’t care he was undersized then, don’t care now. Kid is a super player. Freo seem to really have nailed thier draft picks of late.

 

[BigFella!]

Yep, according to Footywire.

Contracted until end of 2023
Luke Brown
Rory Sloane
Chayce Jones
Harry Schoenberg
Andrew McPherson
Josh Worrell
Shane McAdam
Jordan Butts (R)
Fischer McAsey
Tom Doedee
Darcy Fogarty
Lachlan Murphy
Nick Murray (R)
Kieran Strachan (R)
Matthew Crouch
Paul Seedsman
Jackson Hately
Zac Talyor
Luke Nankervis
Taylor Walker

With all those players out of contract, we probably don't want to be dipping too much into our 2023 draft hand this year.

From that list the only players I would recontract are Worrell, McAdam, Butts, Doedee, Fogarty, Murray, Strachan and Hately. The rest I would be looking to trade, delist or in the case of Sloane, Walker and Seedsman respectfully retire. Of the 2022 out of contract players I would be looking to trade or delist Rowe, Davis, Frampton, Newchurch, Borlase and Turner. Of the players contracted until 2023 I would be looking to trade McAsey, Crouch, Jones, Schoenberg and Murphy this year.

I would also not be trading for Izak Rankine as we already have 16 sub 6 foot players on our list with Rachele, McAdam, McHenry, Rowe, Pedlar, Newchurch and Milera capable of performing that small forward role. Instead I would be using our first round draft pick on Mattaes Phillipou who is 192cm powerfully built midfielder/forward who has speed, strength, power and plays similar to Marcus Bontempelli / Scott Pendlebury. I would then be looking to use our second pick on one of Henry Hustwaite, Reuben Ginbey or Issac Keeler and use one of our later picks or rookie picks on Kane Bevan. Given 2 years to develop, a Crows midfield of Phillipou, Hustwaite and Bevan would not be getting pushed around and bullied like our current midfield does against bigger bodied opposition.

 

[Mutineer]

Personally I would have placed a bid on Tom Green at Pick 6 and if GWS matched I would have selected Hayden Young who had the best kick in that draft and a great intercept mark and reader of the play. Young does a lot of damage running off of half back but I also believe he has the capacity to play through the midfield and wing. Young is also a great size and would make a change from our 16 sub 6 foot players.

Personally I wouldn't have traded pick 4 and have taken Lachie Ash who I also believed would excel as an outside mid/winger...also a very good user,with a hard edge and a real metres gained running machine..

Wonderful thing that hindsight.

 

[Peter Wallis]

From that list the only players I would recontract are Worrell, McAdam, Butts, Doedee, Fogarty, Murray, Strachan and Hately. The rest I would be looking to trade, delist or in the case of Sloane, Walker and Seedsman respectfully retire. Of the 2022 out of contract players I would be looking to trade or delist Rowe, Davis, Frampton, Newchurch, Borlase and Turner. Of the players contracted until 2023 I would be looking to trade McAsey, Crouch, Jones, Schoenberg and Murphy this year.

I would also not be trading for Izak Rankine as we already have 16 sub 6 foot players on our list with Rachele, McAdam, McHenry, Rowe, Pedlar, Newchurch and Milera capable of performing that small forward role. Instead I would be using our first round draft pick on Mattaes Phillipou who is 192cm powerfully built midfielder/forward who has speed, strength, power and plays similar to Marcus Bontempelli / Scott Pendlebury. I would then be looking to use our second pick on one of Henry Hustwaite, Reuben Ginbey or Issac Keeler and use one of our later picks or rookie picks on Kane Bevan. Given 2 years to develop, a Crows midfield of Phillipou, Hustwaite and Bevan would not be getting pushed around and bullied like our current midfield does against bigger bodied opposition.

I'm fairly sure that Max Michalanney will be bid on and taken by the Crows with their second pick. They will also probably upgrade Butts and Murray.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We can go on about who we all would’ve selected instead, but that doesn’t mean anything right now

It all boils down to the fact that our scouting department made probably their biggest error of talent judgement in over a decade by selecting McAsey. Hopefully Schoenberg and Worrell make up for it

 

[Velvet George]

Personally I wouldn't have traded pick 4 and have taken Lachie Ash who I also believed would excel as an outside mid/winger...also a very good user,with a hard edge and a real metres gained running machine..

Wonderful thing that hindsight.

Recruiters don’t have the benefit of using hindsight as an excuse as they have all the information needed to make an informed decision.

Hamish knew the strengths of all the players and made a choice, he made an error, nothing to do with hindsight.

 

[Mutineer]

From that list the only players I would recontract are Worrell, McAdam, Butts, Doedee, Fogarty, Murray, Strachan and Hately. The rest I would be looking to trade, delist or in the case of Sloane, Walker and Seedsman respectfully retire. Of the 2022 out of contract players I would be looking to trade or delist Rowe, Davis, Frampton, Newchurch, Borlase and Turner. Of the players contracted until 2023 I would be looking to trade McAsey, Crouch, Jones, Schoenberg and Murphy this year.

I would also not be trading for Izak Rankine as we already have 16 sub 6 foot players on our list with Rachele, McAdam, McHenry, Rowe, Pedlar, Newchurch and Milera capable of performing that small forward role. Instead I would be using our first round draft pick on Mattaes Phillipou who is 192cm powerfully built midfielder/forward who has speed, strength, power and plays similar to Marcus Bontempelli / Scott Pendlebury. I would then be looking to use our second pick on one of Henry Hustwaite, Reuben Ginbey or Issac Keeler and use one of our later picks or rookie picks on Kane Bevan. Given 2 years to develop, a Crows midfield of Phillipou, Hustwaite and Bevan would not be getting pushed around and bullied like our current midfield does against bigger bodied opposition.

I'm glad you're not in list management...get rid of more experience and bring in 3 young players and expect to be competitive. Nup.

 

[Velvet George]

Laugh all you want Mutineer, I’m not the one using mental gymnastics because you can’t bring yourself to criticise when it’s warranted. It’s embarrassing, you’re a grow man.

 

[Danger_zone]

Don’t need new material, you brought up our drafting options, I merely pointed out clearly Hamish made a mistake by not picking Serong. Do you disagree?

Im with Mutineer here. He suggested Serong would be a good pick (in the 2019 draft thread), but a lot of people jumped on him screaming we didn't need another midget ala Jones/McHenry. We knew he going to be good, he' just happed to blossom sooner than the others on the list.

 

[Velvet George]

Im with Mutineer here. He suggested Serong would be a good pick (in the 2019 draft thread), but a lot of people jumped on him screaming we didn't need another midget ala Jones/McHenry. We knew he going to be good, he' just happed to blossom sooner than the others on the list.

I couldn’t give a toss what posters on here thought, I’m talking about the choice Hamish made. The fact Mutineer thought predraft that Serong would be a good choice and yet Hamish still ****ed it up, proves my point, Hamish ****ed up.

 

[Thetrader15]

Personally I would have placed a bid on Tom Green at Pick 6 and if GWS matched I would have selected Hayden Young who had the best kick in that draft and a great intercept mark and reader of the play. Young does a lot of damage running off of half back but I also believe he has the capacity to play through the midfield and wing. Young is also a great size and would make a change from our 16 sub 6 foot players.

I liked Young too, but if we used pick 6 on a HBF, this board would have gone into melt down...again!

 

[Danger in Texas]

I liked Young too, but if we used pick 6 on a HBF, this board would have gone into melt down...again!

God knows we need one like him right now, though

 

[Velvet George]

I liked Young too, but if we used pick 6 on a HBF, this board would have gone into melt down...again!

Again, drafting decisions aren’t made with this board in mind. Irrespective, select the best player and we get behind them, select duds and well…