Review Round 23, 2022 - Brisbane Lions vs. Melbourne

[mattsmob]

Amongst all the Zorko talk I don't think anyone has mentioned yet that Daly is a cancer survivor

Surely there is some sort of punishment that they're maybe trying to hide

Didn’t know that, could also be the case that there’s two weeks before our next game and the club is trying to get all the facts before coming to a decision. It’s a pretty big deal and I wouldn’t be surprised if they take their time coming to a conclusion about what to do.

 

[JoeDanihersMoustache]

What do we think of the criticism of Fagan coaching from the interchange bench? Would he benefit at all from going into the coaches box?

 

[Gadzorks]

What do we think of the criticism of Fagan coaching from the interchange bench? Would he benefit at all from going into the coaches box?

We sit on the lowest level, not far from the coaches box.

Great seats. We can hear the thump as tackles are laid, and we can see the effort the players are putting in by their facial expressions.

We have sat in the higher levels and, on two memorable occasions, in a corporate box.

What we see at the higher levels but not in our normal seats, is the team structure, the set up changes for attack and defence during play, and the way players are interacting with each other.

I don't believe a coach on the sideline can see or react to what is unfolding during the game.

 

[Nathan Barley]

We sit on the lowest level, not far from the coaches box.

Great seats. We can hear the thump as tackles are laid, and we can see the effort the players are putting in by their facial expressions.

We have sat in the higher levels and, on two memorable occasions, in a corporate box.

What we see at the higher levels but not in our normal seats, is the team structure, the set up changes for attack and defence during play, and the way players are interacting with each other.

I don't believe a coach on the sideline can see or react to what is unfolding during the game.

Unless the dozen coaches up in the coaches box are feeding him information

 

[Gadzorks]

Unless the dozen coaches up in the coaches box are feeding him information

Exactly, but that's a lot of trust on Fagan's part.

Personally I'd like confidence in the head coaches ability to see what the assistants see, but to also have a higher insight into what's happening and what to do to counteract the opposition.

Put Hodge on as game day tactician, put him in the box and Fagan dealing with the players on the bench. Perfection!!

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Think there's more coaches on the bench now then there is in the box.

 

[JoeDanihersMoustache]

So if we’re placing bets who’s most to blame for friday’s loss? The personnel in the box, the bench or on the field?

 

[Sanchez365]

I blame the bench itself

 

[Gadzorks]

So if we’re placing bets who’s most to blame for friday’s loss? The personnel in the box, the bench or on the field?

The recruiters. We just don't have the midfield talent and power needed for a premiership.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

I can’t believe the club is fully backing Zorko publicly. Members will vote with their money next year.

 

[M Malice]

Unless the dozen coaches up in the coaches box are feeding him information

I would rather see Fagan change it up and go up into the box and make his own judgment and send one of the assistants down to the bench, get a more overall feel for the game up higher IMO.

I have sat down in the lower levels and hate it, completely different perspective, unlikely he would do it this late in the season though, it would be a 2023 thing if at all.

 

[T Rick]

I can’t believe the club is fully backing Zorko publicly. Members will vote with their money next year.

Nah

 

[dlanod]

Members will vote with their money next year.

Some will, but I think you're overestimating how much influence the footy media actually has over the average Qld AFL supporter. We're more likely to see a drop back because of results on the field (not finishing top 4, possibly losing in the first week of finals) than because of Zorko's stupidity and the club's response.

 

[luthor]

Some will, but I think you're overestimating how much influence the footy media actually has over the average Qld AFL supporter. We're more likely to see a drop back because of results on the field (not finishing top 4, possibly losing in the first week of finals) than because of Zorko's stupidity and the club's response.

I agree.

Outrage is a transient thing.

Remember when Jeremy Cameron assaulted Harris Andrews a few years ago and Harris ended up in hospital the next day with a brain bleed?

Cameron got booed a bit the next time he came to town but the whole thing has pretty much disappeared from the collective memories if anyone who gave a shit at the time.

When Kerr sacked Whitlam on 11.11.75, there was a public outcry at the injustice of it all.

Gough stood on the steps of the Old Parliament House and passionately implored the Australian people to "maintain the rage"

They didn't

Pragmatism quickly set in and Malcolm Fraser got elected in a landslide, despite the "dismissal" being one the most reprehensible and cynical political manouvres of all time

 

[twhowler]

Exactly, but that's a lot of trust on Fagan's part.

Personally I'd like confidence in the head coaches ability to see what the assistants see, but to also have a higher insight into what's happening and what to do to counteract the opposition.

Put Hodge on as game day tactician, put him in the box and Fagan dealing with the players on the bench. Perfection!!

A few coaches seem to be at ground level. But most I think go down there as a bit of a tactic to fire up the players?

I think the ground-level coach makes sense for a young team where the players need to get the message straight from the coach about a new game-plan etc.

For a seasoned coach and team I don't really get the ground-level coaching. Fagan should be able to trust the players will be putting in, and be more focused on the tactial battle with other coaches. It seems to me telling that we never seem to react to surprises from the other side. I remember v GWS in Brisbane Fagan saying they started thinking should they put someone behind the ball, but by the time they were going to we had steadied anyway. The Giants smashed us for at least 15 minutes so that seems like a slow reaction time.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

The thought occurred during discussion with a fellow sufferer. Is there any way we can clone Martin Pike? A couple of big, no-crap blokes who say through me or not at all. Even a thug like May would be acceptable. Marginally.

And I don't know about anyone else bit I'm sick of the "we broke even if the second half"crap. The reality is we got thrashed. After 10mins blind freddy could predict a hiding and that we were totally intimidated. Personally I thought Melbourne took the foot off the gas to set themselves up for later proceedings

At least with a Pike or two the D's wouldn't get away with virtually bruise-free football. The most upsetting thing for me on Friday was sight of the Melbourne backs in a laughing get together- "how easy is this???".

Just another thought- in a top side like the D's if anyone doesn't perform it's see ya later. The pressure is on for young and old. Don't honestly know what any of out team needs to not do to get dropped. I know that there aren't all that many Reserves candidates putting themselves forward for promotion, having watched the 2's on Saturday. However, a bit of pressure from the rear can't do any harm, surely.

Correction from an earlier post. Mitch collected 42, not 40, possessions in the 2's, having turned out the night before. Against an unbeaten side. Can see why he's not getting a run-on game.

Or a Robert Copeland.

I would love another real backline leader like Hodge but they don’t come around very often.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

Some will, but I think you're overestimating how much influence the footy media actually has over the average Qld AFL supporter. We're more likely to see a drop back because of results on the field (not finishing top 4, possibly losing in the first week of finals) than because of Zorko's stupidity and the club's response.

I guess you’re right.

It certainly won’t help Zorko’s media aspirations.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Lol, if Wayne Carey can have a prominent media career I think Zorko’s can survive this.

 

[M Malice]

Lol, if Wayne Carey can have a prominent media career I think Zorko’s can survive this.

Carey is one of the top handful of players in the history of the game, which gives him a pretty good head start re getting media gigs.

Zorks will be fine long term but he doesn't come across to me as a good performer in pressers... although that hasn't stopped others in the past.

 

[dlanod]

It certainly won’t help Zorko’s media aspirations.

Just need to put it on hold for a decade or so, after which everyone will be happy to call him a great bloke in the Channel 7 box.

 

[Nuggo]

Zorko will be fine after footy. Heard he is going to write a book on sledging......to soon?

 

[KissKiss]

They probably could have added a few more minutes of unsavoury habits and 50's that werent included either.

There's a lot in this video but one thing that stands out and has been bugging me for a while is how much space we give small forwards. Answerth is giving Pickett a huge amount of space and he was the one guilty of giving Bolton the same when he tore us apart.

I dont know if this is coached or just a player mistake, but for a lockdown defender (who isnt a good ball user) this just isnt good enough. We have been getting carved up for a while by small forwards and I think we cant continue with Answerth doing this. Unless he can either tighten up his defence or massively improve his ball use, I dont see how he can remain best 22

 

[Lionwarrior6]

If we play well and put in effort we can absolutely beat Richmond.

If we serve up what we did last night? Don’t even bother.

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[Nuggo]

Depends on the defense setup - guarding space or guarding a player. If guarding space then quick ball movement by the opposition along with small forwards running past the defender making them turn around can create problems and space. Often it is defenders not working as a team to counter act this that creates the problem.

Slow down the ball coming in, knowledge of how the small forwards running patterns work, ensure all of the defense is switched on when the ball comes in.

 

[Sanchez365]

There's a lot in this video but one thing that stands out and has been bugging me for a while is how much space we give small forwards. Answerth is giving Pickett a huge amount of space and he was the one guilty of giving Bolton the same when he tore us apart.

I dont know if this is coached or just a player mistake, but for a lockdown defender (who isnt a good ball user) this just isnt good enough. We have been getting carved up for a while by small forwards and I think we cant continue with Answerth doing this. Unless he can either tighten up his defence or massively improve his ball use, I dont see how he can remain best 22

I have also noticed Answerth's failures in positioning and been quite critical in the past. As you said he would be right on the fringe in my books but does seem guaranteed a game. Would almost prefer Prior in his position across half back.