List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II

[MordySaint]

Ruckman are hugely overrated.

Thats why we got rid of Stanley and Hickey and kept Longer.

Ryder is one of the key reasons why we have even been close to success in the last 3 years.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

The Bowes option is worth the gamble imo. The only thing I’m a bit worried about is his temperament. I’ve heard from a reliable source he’s quite highly strung.

 

[Lightsxo]

Fuark I hope the Grundy talk is just Bigfooty fluff.

Surely we can’t **** up that badly.

 

[Joffaboy]

The Bowes option is worth the gamble imo. The only thing I’m a bit worried about is his temperament. I’ve heard from a reliable source he’s quite highly strung.

I hear he has arrow like passes though.

 

[bird_man]

Edmond was pretty certain Grundy was off to Melbourne this morning

 

[Joffaboy]

Edmond was pretty certain Grundy was off to Melbourne this morning

talking about it TR right now. Saying Pies will have to stump up 300k + for him while still paying for Treloar, wow.

 

[Joffaboy]

TR saying GCS is 2 million plus already over the SC for 2023

 

[Munga]

Good, we need a new forward coach!

I wouldn't say "new". I'd say "better"!

 

[Munga]

TR saying GCS is 2 million plus already over the SC for 2023

Wow, and they aren't even paying Bing 100%!

Imagine if the entire league was projected to be over the cap for next year, and all these massive contracts have nowhere else to go. What does the league do in that case?

 

[Joffaboy]

Believe it or not a great discussion on TR. SoS saying that contracts are all structured differently, some have clauses that say they get an increase comparable to any TPP increase or a % of it.

So if the TPP increases by 10% a player may go from 800k to 880k without changing contracts.
So for example Bowes has 850k for the next two years backended. If he has a clause that his salary rises commensurate with the TPP (as the sweetener to backend the contract),and the TPP rises by 10% his 850k goes to 935k.
This would need to be taken into account by other clubs in that above case, plus any current contracts with those type of clauses.

Throw in the North, Brisbane and Essendon coach issues and this trade period is gunna be wild.

 

[MordySaint]

Fuark I hope the Grundy talk is just Bigfooty fluff.

Surely we can’t * up that badly.

If Collingwood pay a big portion of his salary, then I don't see the issue with discussing it.

Would be a great backup, we have limited options if Marshall goes down.

Melbourne want him, so it doesn't look as silly an idea as you think.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I think Bowes can play, throw in the fact he comes with a first rounder and his money is only due over two years and I’m all for any play at him.
We’re not going to be contending for a premiership before 2025. Let’s bring some picks through the door ASAP

 

[_Maximus_12]

If Collingwood pay a big portion of his salary, then I don't see the issue with discussing it.

Would be a great backup, we have limited options if Marshall goes down.

Melbourne want him, so it doesn't look as silly an idea as you think.

We just signed Marshall to a pretty significant deal.
Tying up a huge portion of your cap to two players who play the least flexible role on the ground screams stupidity.
Melbourne want him because he’s an upgrade on Jackson and structurally they think it works.
Time will tell, but I think they’re stupid for not addressing the holes in their list forward of centre.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Rhys Stanley

1

Rhys Stanley

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

27.6

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.5

3star

CL

5.0

5star

HO

21.5

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.4

4star

CL

3.0

5star

HO

33.0

5star

, Tom Hickey

31

Tom Hickey

Age

35

Ht

202cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.9

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

19.1

5star

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.0

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

8.6

5star

, Darcy Cameron

14

Darcy Cameron

Age

30

Ht

204cm

Wt

103kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.3

1star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

3.5

5star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.3

2star

HB

2.7

3star

CL

0.3

2star

HO

5.3

5star

and Oscar McInerney

46

Oscar Mcinerney

Age

31

Ht

205cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

11.2

5star

were the ruckman for the prelims lol

Calm down

 

[bird_man]

If Collingwood pay a big portion of his salary, then I don't see the issue with discussing it.

Would be a great backup, we have limited options if Marshall goes down.

Melbourne want him, so it doesn't look as silly an idea as you think.

We wouldn't be bringing him in as a backup.

Even if Collingwood pay 300k your still looking at a 700k contract.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Im not totally across the Bowes thing... is there actually a chance we get him and pick 7 for ben long and a second

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? or is that just typical trade thread dreamin... I feel gullible for even asking.

What's the realistic take on this?

 

[bergholt]

Im not totally across the Bowes thing... is there actually a chance we get him and pick 7 for ben long and a second ? or is that just typical trade thread dreamin... I feel gullible for even asking.

What's the realistic take on this?

No one knows because this is the first year salary dump trades have been specifically allowed by the AFL, so there's not really much out there to compare it with

 

[heynow85]

Im not totally across the Bowes thing... is there actually a chance we get him and pick 7 for ben long and a second ? or is that just typical trade thread dreamin... I feel gullible for even asking.

What's the realistic take on this?

If it sounds to good to be true it probably is.

 

[Joffaboy]

Im not totally across the Bowes thing... is there actually a chance we get him and pick 7 for ben long and a second ? or is that just typical trade thread dreamin... I feel gullible for even asking.

What's the realistic take on this?

GCS are over the cap by 2 million for 2023 before even bringing in Long

We need to deal with GC over Long

We have the SC and we want another pick in the top ten.

So the talk has been we should be all over it with GC with trades thrown about with best case scenario being

Long for

Bowes and pick 7 if we take the full salary.

has been talk he only wants to go to Geelong but they are pretty stretched with cap and have others wanting to get there.

 

[SinCitySainter]

No one knows because this is the first year salary dump trades have been specifically allowed by the AFL, so there's not really much out there to compare it with

I am confused by it as well particularly as the discussion seems to be that the reason Long wants to go to the Suns is principally big bucks.
Surely if their Salary cap is bursting at the seams they would not contemplate bringing someone in on any more than a basic wage.
You don't give up a top 10 pick to save a couple of hundred K on your salary cap.

 

[MordySaint]

We wouldn't be bringing him in as a backup.

Even if Collingwood pay 300k your still looking at a 700k contract.

Melbourne are bringing him in as a backup, Gawn isn't retiring.

When I look at our list next year after all the retirements, I can't even fathom how we are even close to the salary cap.

I thought Gags was meant to come in and fix our overpaid and underdelivering list. Looks like he has created exactly what he took over.

 

[Hayes4PM]

TR saying GCS is 2 million plus already over the SC for 2023

 

[gringo2011]

Im not totally across the Bowes thing... is there actually a chance we get him and pick 7 for ben long and a second ? or is that just typical trade thread dreamin... I feel gullible for even asking.

What's the realistic take on this?

Sounds like Geelong are getting him.

 

[Hubnester]

If the Bowes thing is as desribed it sounds like a great opportunity and I'd be OK with the investment if it means getting a pick on top.

Would much rather throw the money at that trade than at Grundy, that idea doesn't excite me at all.

 

[bird_man]

Melbourne are bringing him in as a backup, Gawn isn't retiring.

When I look at our list next year after all the retirements, I can't even fathom how we are even close to the salary cap.

I thought Gags was meant to come in and fix our overpaid and underdelivering list. Looks like he has created exactly what he took over.

No they aren't

They are bringing him in to play along Gawn, just like they did with Gawn/Jackson