Analysis If Richmond win the premiership in 2023, will Damien Hardwick go down as the greatest coach of all time?

[Dan26]

Not according to Dan26 . Essendon 2000 still ahead… mystique, x-factor, stars on every line, Lloyd kicking 109 goals, 116 team Brownlow votes, bigger margins, how good were Footscray that year!!!,…

 

[Franc de Borges]

If Richmond win a 14th flag, will 14 justifiably be considered a greater number than 16?

 

[Toump Ass]

Of course 2000 Essendon Bomber is greatest, they had to beat 2000 Melbourne Demons who would have beaten any side between then and now except probably 2021 Demons. BIG achievement!!!

 

[smasha]

It's raining GOAT's!

Dimma recently at Richmond training.



Shocking in a nearby house taking notes.

 

[Gavin Excell]

In all seriousness though, a 4th flag puts him at the forefront with Matthews and Clarkson AFL era

 

[Rich01]

Short answer to the question- no.

But I am going to enjoy where certain Geelong and a Collingwood troll takes this thread in the near future.

 

[Strange Cat]

Short answer to the question- no.

But I am going to enjoy where certain Geelong and a Collingwood troll takes this thread in the near future.

Obsession

 

[Rich01]

Obsession

Here they come….

 

[Toump Ass]

In all seriousness though, a 4th flag puts him at the forefront with Matthews and Clarkson AFL era

Bullshit.
All time GOAT in Dustin Martin, plus generational talents like Balta and Stack and Graham (... Jack Graham, that is!)...

Anything less than 2 or 3 more is an epic failure.

 

[BF Tiger]

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Nice one. How many days is it now?

 

[Dan26]

Nice one. How many days is it now?

Too many mate.

 

[SplintWhisky]

One serious question I have for everyone, what makes a good coach?

It is genuinely agreed (by the other 17 teams) on Bigfooty that the Richmond Flag sides are the least skilled sides. If that is the case then does it not make Hardwick already a greater coach than say a Matthews? The Brisbane side is accepted as having a lot of star power so to borrow a phrase from Hafey "Micky mouse could of coached them to a premiership"

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I got an idea of a new thread.

When St.Kilda win their 30th wooden spoon should the title change from wooden spoon to the St.Kilda award?

Carlton will get there first

 

[Mr Meow]

One serious question I have for everyone, what makes a good coach?

It is genuinely agreed (by the other 17 teams) on Bigfooty that the Richmond Flag sides are the least skilled sides. If that is the case then does it not make Hardwick already a greater coach than say a Matthews? The Brisbane side is accepted as having a lot of star power so to borrow a phrase from Hafey "Micky mouse could of coached them to a premiership"

You could definitely argue that Hardwick delivered a bigger advantage from tactics compared to Matthews. The unknown is how much coaches (or the environment) unlocks various players potential. It's easy in hindsight to say Brisbane were a team of superstars. Geelong certainly didn't look like one before 2007. Maybe if Hardwick was in control of Brisbane in that era less of them would be recognised as hall of famers but he'd have eeked out flags more based on game plan/tactics anyway. Maybe a Geelong "down the highway" game plan from that 2007 era lets individuals express their flair and talent more than Richmond's 2017-2020 swarm, but it matters not if the end result is the same. The cream still rises to the top ala Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

In all seriousness though, a 4th flag puts him at the forefront with Matthews and Clarkson AFL era

He’d still be a step behind both.

People underestimate how challenging getting to 4 consecutive GF’s is.

 

[Gavin Excell]

He’d still be a step behind both.

People underestimate how challenging getting to 4 consecutive GF’s is.

While that is a consideration, in the end it's flags that are the measure

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

While that is a consideration, in the end it's flags that are the measure

It is, but 4 flags over 7 years with only 2 consecutive GF’s amongst them would put him behind Clarkson with 4 flags over 8 years, and 4 consecutive GF’s.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It is, but 4 flags over 7 years with only 2 consecutive GF’s amongst them would put him behind Clarkson with 4 flags over 8 years, and 4 consecutive GF’s.

Whilst I somewhat agree, Clarkson has a more talented list at his disposal.

 

[Mr Meow]

Whilst I somewhat agree, Clarkson has a more talented list at his disposal.

The Roos? If Clarko gets a flag with them the debate is over.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

The Roos? If Clarko gets a flag with them the debate is over.

Had at the Hawks.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

nah.