Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[tarczonandjane]

So who decides the Board? Well. WE DO. Technically. And we’ve failed.

I agree with a lot of what you have said Windows.

But I did want to raise your final point. My view is that we (presuming you are referring to the members) have not decided the Board for many years.

The powers that be have done everything they can to prevent votes from occurring. They’ve appointed their own members, they’ve limited who can vote, they’ve limited who can stand.

It would be interesting to know how many of the current board have ever been to a membership vote. I would be surprised if it is very many at all.

 

[gbatman]

Drums need to start beating over our football department and why we can't get a group of coaches in with a decent resume. The board need to get good people in from successful clubs and successful backgrounds. We need to stop setting our coaches up to fail. If they can't do it move on.

 

[windows1]

I agree with a lot of what you have said Windows.

But I did want to raise your final point. My view is that we (presuming you are referring to the members) have not decided the Board for many years.

The powers that be have done everything they can to prevent votes from occurring. They’ve appointed their own members, they’ve limited who can vote, they’ve limited who can stand.

It would be interesting to know how many of the current board have ever been to a membership vote. I would be surprised if it is very many at all.

That is why I said “technically”. Heck I don’t even know how to vote and I’ve been a paying member for 33 years. Have bought the best tickets available the whole time. No one ever tells me how to vote. I wouldn’t have the faintest as to whether I even can vote. I read this week our Vice President would probably take over from Sayers. Who? Why? What in Gods earth have they done to deserve that?

I don’t think we should stand for this rubbish any more.

 

[tarczonandjane]

That is why I said “technically”. Heck I don’t even know how to vote and I’ve been a paying member for 33 years. Have bought the best tickets available the whole time. No one ever tells me how to vote. I wouldn’t have the faintest as to whether I even can vote. I read this week our Vice President would probably take over from Sayers. Who? Why? What in Gods earth have they done to deserve that?

I don’t think we should stand for this rubbish any more.

Sorry Windows, I understand what you are saying now.

I remember voting back at the start of the Ian Collins days. But I was a long distance member, and they soon took voting rights away from such a membership class.

But I can’t remember a genuine vote for many years.

 

[jpfalvo]

Sorry Windows, I understand what you are saying now.

I remember voting back at the start of the Ian Collins days. But I was a long distance member, and they soon took voting rights away from such a membership class.

But I can’t remember a genuine vote for many years.

Thats correct. Since MLG era, they have taken away the normal power of members to have their say on who they do or dont want on the board.

It was sold under the guise of stability which in theory was a good idea, particularly in difficult circumstances, but in reality, its enabled a centralisation of power...

Again, its all moot if the right people make the right calls, but the last decade we have seen numerous poor decisions with little obvious accountability.

I mean lets face it, the 66 game rebuild plan, has failed. Any discussion around it, shut down.

4 CEOs across 10yr period. Swann, Trigg, Liddle, Cook.

Coaches sacked for underperfoming lists

Finals expectation discussion, now being shut down.

Cook only just released a new 5 year plan with premierships for AFL and AFLW teams, both teams not in great shape. Let alone they sacked a coach of AFLW after releasing the plan, and the coach going the board/admin for not investing in AFLW.

Its good to set a plan, but curius given that President, CEO and possibly senior coach wont be around to see it through

Accountability is all I seek

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[BlueGum]

As far as I can recall, there has never been a decent alternative ticket. It would take a lot of resolve, work, time and resources to make it happen.

 

[Michael Jezz]

The entire board must go because they don't have the capacity to make the right appointments, to fix the football department.

 

[BlueGum]

The entire board must go because they don't have the capacity to make the right appointments, to fix the football department.

Show us an alternative that does? All I see is more of the same. Coterie types, performing saviour roles rather than being prepared to put in hard work.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

I have given a lot of thought to the core issues. It’s very important that we realise everything starts and therefore sheets back home to the Board. They initiate the decisions and put in motion the appointments that lead to other decisions. They also hold (or don’t) people accountable to their decisions and actions.

We (me included) rant on about SYMPTOMS. The core issue is the decisions that are made. Whether they work. How much leniency is given to errors. What is done when there are too many.

I want to make sure I am crystal clear: I don’t want them to air all dirty laundry. That would be inappropriate. What I want to see is:

When there are clearly quite a number of bad decisions made by an individual there is accountability. Change.

I will canvass a few:
1. We decided to keep Brad Lloyd. HIS decisions include: supporting the appointment of Voss, the appointment of Hamill etc, the inability to retain Jones (we threw a tantrum at him, clearly). The appointment of Nick Austin. Now Nick’s decision making needs questioning. Club psychologist. Whoever that is is either horribly unfunded or inept.
Lloyd decision.

2. The Board appointed Brian Cook. He has no presence. No apparent energy or love for this organisation. He would have been a good consultant or Board member. Cook himself has supported keeping Brad Lloyd and the other decisions around coaching. He has also said “I’ll give you 3 years” which is a terrible temporary mindset. Who appointed him?
3. Voss: his decisions include his coaching group (no change after a year of data last year). Jones. Stocker. Setterfield. His game plan.

We could go down through the hierarchy and individualise. But it starts at the Board. We have a President who was on a failed Board for a decade and then stepped up?

So who decides the Board? Well. WE DO. Technically. And we’ve failed.

Good post, but think you’re harsh on Austin, Windows.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Show us an alternative that does? All I see is more of the same. Coterie types, performing saviour roles rather than being prepared to put in hard work.

Obviously a viable ticket must emerge. If it isn't led by Fitzpatrick, I am prepared to consider a Fraser Brown, Mark Mclure or even Robert Walls

 

[gab213]

Talk about regression, no way, none of those names should be anywhere near the board. The time has passed for most of them and one is just a totally shit human who I'd never want to see leading my club.

 

[Michael Jezz]

The board that gets you into the shit will never get you out of it.

 

[BlueGum]

Obviously a viable ticket must emerge. If it isn't led by Fitzpatrick, I am prepared to consider a Fraser Brown, Mark Mclure or even Robert Walls

They are just one seat on a board. Need a whole ticket to sell t he alternative.

 

[kreuze_missile]

The external review of the Carlton Football Club conducted by Geoff Walsh, Graham Lowe and Matthew Pavlich

Matthew Pavlich

Age

43

Ht

192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

11.3

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

12.8

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

8.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

3.4

5star

that led to Teague's sacking isn't even 2 years old.

Like many of the "external reviews" our board would have led over the years in their corporate gigs, the review into Carlton's Football Department in 2021 was likely neither external or independent, with findings heavily influenced by the board which instigated, oversaw and funded the review.

The review found that Carlton had a well managed football department, good list management practices and strong expertise in performance management, and pinned sole blame for on-field performance on the senior coach in typical Carlton fashion. The board had followed "proper process" to justify the sacking of another coach. One that it appointed just two years prior.

The review did not assess the performance of the board in any way. Nor did it review the process that lead to Teague's appointment. Out of scope. No surprise.

As part of the review's findings Brad Lloyd was tasked with rectifying issues in the football department, including the appointment of a new senior coach. Another process the board couldn't help but meddle in. Prime examples include the handpicking of Ross Lyon by Sayers without following any process. Having board member Pat Kinnersly single handedly block Lyon's appointment at the 11th hour. And the mandate from Sayers himself that the candidate must have prior senior coaching experience which eliminated the vast majorty of potential candidates from participating in the "process", ultimately leaving us with Michael Voss.

My point - there's not a single decision of significance made at the football club that the Carlton board doesn't involve itself in. And while their resume's might look incredibly fancy having held CEO positions at large companies, their expertise have limited application in the oversight of a football club. I'm sure the balance sheet looks amazing but the members don't care if the team isn't competitive.

This club is desperate for leaders with experience in leading football clubs to on-field success. We have so few.

Our president has no prior football administration experience and his 10+ years being invovled at the club are the worst in it's entire history.

Alongside our President is a board stacked with corporate heavyweights, all no doubt great business people, but zero skills and expertise relevant to a football club outside of the numbers.

Greg Williams is a token former player board appointment just as Chris Judd was previously. Most clubs have one. I'd be surprsied if they even get to talk at board meetings.

Craig Mathieson is another token appointment to keep Bruce happy. He's arguably the least successful of all board members and he offers nothing beyond access to poker machine licenses.

Brad Lloyd has no prior experience as a Head of Football. His only experience is at Fremantle, where his most senior role was List Manager and he oversaw a list that won 0 premiership and had many bottom 4 finishes in the decade he was there.

There's not much more I can say about Michael Voss that isn't over in the other thread, apart from highlighting that his former stint as a senior coach wasn't exactly a glowing success.

Our captain Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

has never played in a final.

Right now Brian Cook is all we've got. The most successful CEO in the business with a resume that speaks for itself. I cannot wait to see the man do something.

 

[Michael Jezz]

The external review of the Carlton Football Club conducted by Geoff Walsh, Graham Lowe and Matthew Pavlich that led to Teague's sacking isn't even 2 years old.

Like many of the "external reviews" our board would have led over the years in their corporate gigs, the review into Carlton's Football Department in 2021 was likely neither external or independent, with findings heavily influenced by the board which instigated, oversaw and funded the review.

The review found that Carlton had a well managed football department, good list management practices and strong expertise in performance management, and pinned sole blame for on-field performance on the senior coach in typical Carlton fashion. The board had followed "proper process" to justify the sacking of another coach. One that it appointed just two years prior.

The review did not assess the performance of the board in any way. Nor did it review the process that lead to Teague's appointment. Out of scope. No surprise.

As part of the review's findings Brad Lloyd was tasked with rectifying issues in the football department, including the appointment of a new senior coach. Another process the board couldn't help but meddle in. Prime examples include the handpicking of Ross Lyon by Sayers without following any process. Having board member Pat Kinnersly single handedly block Lyon's appointment at the 11th hour. And the mandate from Sayers himself that the candidate must have prior senior coaching experience which eliminated the vast majorty of potential candidates from participating in the "process", ultimately leaving us with Michael Voss.

My point - there's not a single decision of significance made at the football club that the Carlton board doesn't involve itself in. And while their resume's might look incredibly fancy having held CEO positions at large companies, their expertise have limited application in the oversight of a football club. I'm sure the balance sheet looks amazing but the members don't care if the team isn't competitive.

This club is desperate for leaders with experience in leading football clubs to on-field success. We have so few.

Our president has no prior football administration experience and his 10+ years being invovled at the club are the worst in it's entire history.

Alongside our President is a board stacked with corporate heavyweights, all no doubt great business people, but zero skills and expertise relevant to a football club outside of the numbers.

Greg Williams is a token former player board appointment just as Chris Judd was previously. Most clubs have one. I'd be surprsied if they even get to talk at board meetings.

Craig Mathieson is another token appointment to keep Bruce happy. He's arguably the least successful of all board members and he offers nothing beyond access to poker machine licenses.

Brad Lloyd, our Head of Football, has no prior experience as a Head of Football. His only prior experience is at Fremantle, where his most senior role was List Manager, where he oversaw a list that won 0 premiership and had many bottom 4 finishes in the decade he was there.

There's not much more I can say about Michael Voss that isn't over in the other thread, apart from highlighting that his former stint as a senior coach wasn't exactly a glowing success.

Our captain Patrick Cripps has never played in a final.

Right now Brian Cook is all we've got. The most successful CEO in the business with a resume that speaks for itself. I cannot wait to see the man do something.

Post of the Year...May the board get rolled

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

They are just one seat on a board. Need a whole ticket to sell t he alternative.

You usually find that once you get the head in place, others will jump in. For memory, when Collins formed his ticket, he got SOS involved and a then current disgruntled board member in Kenny Hunter was retained. There will be former players willing to be involved.

I'd salivate at the thought of a Mike Fitzpatrick. An academic, successful businessman, AFL management experience and a former premiership captain. He ticks almost all the boxes by himself. He'd get a few involved.

I feel like our players are very sheltered. None of them want to leave because they're not being challenged.

 

[jpfalvo]

Obviously a viable ticket must emerge. If it isn't led by Fitzpatrick, I am prepared to consider a Fraser Brown, Mark Mclure or even Robert Walls

I am reliably told Fitzpatrick is 0 chance. He is my pick, beyond rapproach with footy and business credentials

Tom Elliot would have been ok as well, as a figure head and I understand he was interested/ approached and warned off a while a go, in Bolton era carlton.



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[Sonny Jim]

More board problems?
I can't access this:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-11/news-story/9832c07bc1748aa13978db2cf8f28b56?amp&nk=472fcf25438f40452adcd66fb8f2bf33-1685282632

 

[Bobmonkey]

More board problems?
I can't access this:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-mark-robinsons-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-11/news-story/9832c07bc1748aa13978db2cf8f28b56?amp&nk=472fcf25438f40452adcd66fb8f2bf33-1685282632

https://archive.is/D1Wsw

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I am reliably told Fitzpatrick is 0 chance. He is my pick, beyond rapproach with footy and business credentials

Tom Elliot would have been ok as well, as a figure head and I understand he was interested/ approached and warned off a while a go, in Bolton era carlton.



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Tom Elliot would only be getting in on name recognition, and because of his father's time at the club. He also has a bit of an axe to grind, and some of the stories of how unfair people were to his dad, it all feels a little Trump-esque. Having an Elliot in charge again would definitely not unify the club and fan base.
I'd rather grass roots Joe Blow than the perception of our blank cheque old days.

 

[jpfalvo]

Tom Elliot would only be getting in on name recognition, and because of his father's time at the club. He also has a bit of an axe to grind, and some of the stories of how unfair people were to his dad, it all feels a little Trump-esque. Having an Elliot in charge again would definitely not unify the club and fan base.
I'd rather grass roots Joe Blow than the perception of our blank cheque old days.

Dont know about now, but Kernahan and Swann used Tom for hosting President lunches.

I went to a significant amount of those functions representing a major current club sponsor. He was a good representative in an Eddie McGuire mold, possibly less controversial.

Eddie Mcguire for all his flaws did a fantastic job at collingwood, and his corporate engagement is still AFL leading, that is from first hand knowledge. We could do with someone young, energetic and passionate, in the same way Eddie became collingwoods man in the late 90s.

Tom is not the man now. He was 10yrs ago.

Any supporters lambasting Tom now would be ill informed, as to hold him to account for his dads salary cap issues. Or just dont like his opinions on 3aw.

Similar to our onfield leadership woes, there is no obvious candidate off field as yet either

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[Lace_Out]

The AFP is where you refer an issue when you want it covered up.

Pretty well known in politics and law enforcement.

The NACC can’t prosecute.

The system is designed to ensure nobody goes down for this. Certainly not anyone important.

PwC will probably get a massive fine and suspended from govt contracts for 12 months or some s**t. Then, when the suspension is over, they’ll be handed enough govt contracts to make up for the money they lost in fines and missed government contracts.

It’s a rigged game.

Everything is a rigged game at the pointy end, look at the last few years [emoji6]

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[myblueroan]

Craig Mathieson stepping down from our Board.

 

[Accidental genius]

Craig Mathieson stepping down from our Board.

Any reasons given ?

 

[Accidental genius]

Craig Mathieson stepping down…he joined board in 2012 so his time would have been up by end of next year.

Carlton board member departs as focus intensifies on Blues

An expected change at Ikon Park.

www.sen.com.au