Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[CHAWKTS]

So next week interesting….Can’t believe I am even thinking about Cats and wanting to lose…but a win/loss will likely be difference between 7th and 10th pick. Now with the Gold Coast academy players and North comp that could move down 2-3 spots…but from the draft experts I think there is a solid 7-10 players and then drops off?

So 3 spots might make a big difference in terms of who we get…Given this is our 2nd change (2 years in a row) in 17 years to get genuine top pick we don’t want to “blow it” with a meaningless win next week do we? I hate even typing it…

But if we are going to suffer through a loss for that benefit then it will be more palatable if we get to see Knevitt and Dempsey play alongside 2 debutants that deserve it…Toby and Ted. Then we can have a loss whilst looking at some youth and saying goodbye to some stars…and get a great pick!

 

[Larry Donohue]

I'm a bit concerned on Doedee having 2 knee reconstructions

Fair point, but even 1 year from him would be a vast improvement.
Kolo without Henry, blicavs and ratagolea there, couldn't stand up.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

So next week interesting….Can’t believe I am even thinking about Cats and wanting to lose…but a win/loss will likely be difference between 7th and 10th pick. Now with the Gold Coast academy players and North comp that could move down 2-3 spots…but from the draft experts I think there is a solid 7-10 players and then drops off?

So 3 spots might make a big difference in terms of who we get…Given this is our 2nd change (2 years in a row) in 17 years to get genuine top pick we don’t want to “blow it” with a meaningless win next week do we? I hate even typing it…

But if we are going to suffer through a loss for that benefit then it will be more palatable if we get to see Knevitt and Dempsey play alongside 2 debutants that deserve it…Toby and Ted. Then we can have a loss whilst looking at some youth and saying goodbye to some stars…and get a great pick!

Play the kids!

 

[Lana]

WCE in front, North looking like getting pick 1. Pick 2 for losing McKay is grossly unfair.

That's the rules. Someone still has to offer him 800k a year. WCE really needed that draft capital more then North.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So next week interesting….Can’t believe I am even thinking about Cats and wanting to lose…but a win/loss will likely be difference between 7th and 10th pick. Now with the Gold Coast academy players and North comp that could move down 2-3 spots…but from the draft experts I think there is a solid 7-10 players and then drops off?

So 3 spots might make a big difference in terms of who we get…Given this is our 2nd change (2 years in a row) in 17 years to get genuine top pick we don’t want to “blow it” with a meaningless win next week do we? I hate even typing it…

But if we are going to suffer through a loss for that benefit then it will be more palatable if we get to see Knevitt and Dempsey play alongside 2 debutants that deserve it…Toby and Ted. Then we can have a loss whilst looking at some youth and saying goodbye to some stars…and get a great pick!

For me theres only 3 players i would desperately want-reid watson and walter (who will get matched anyway) the next 10-15 players are pretty even in my eyes..i dont see the benefit in trying to tank to get p9 vs p13. Plus the club will want to send all the retirees out in the right way.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Its the reality some team like syd will pay enough to trigger band 1 and the formula is secret so afl can manipulate it to give north p2.

Need to get rid of compensation picks. The compensation is you're getting cap space, not rewarded for being shit.

 

[DangerHere]

We can’t go into next year with Stanley as no.1 ruck

But we will …

 

[Shadow89]

He's actually averaging 16 disposals per game. Our other mids get run into the ground because he soaks up rotations as well

You've had this explained to you before in great detail yet you keep ignoring it. None of our mids play more than 70% in most games. If what you said was true, the other mids would be playing 85+% to compensate - but they're not.

This obsession with Bruhn needs to stop. Did you see Danger last night? Hell have you seen most of our midfield besides Atkins this season? Bruhn has done more than enough in his first proper season at the club. Your need to pile on after every game is just getting ridiculous now - especially when we have much bigger problems.

 

[Sire of Claude]

Bowes was described as an elite user but to date he's been something of a turnover merchant - especially last night.

Still, he probably plays Rd 1 next year.

 

[strauchnyy]

I don’t really see it. If parfitt can’t get a go in our current midfield, how is he going to get a game at Port?

Geelong would Decline ports late R2 ~pick 40. Nothing surer.

Yes he’s uncontracted, but doesn’t mean Mackie gives up and makes it easy, I don’t think he will. Tim Kelly was uncontracted, we dug the heels in, Ollie Henry was uncontracted, pies dug in. A deal will get done and it’ll be better than 40.

Above are just two examples. Also:

• Cats rate sav much higher than a token pick
• Coach is on record pumping him up
• Port are desperate for him and see him as the missing piece to their puzzle
• He is one of those players rated highly externally for his potential

Lack of key defenders on the market. Demand and supply
- Mackie has more balls than to take that. It’ll be ports first offer and we will walk out the room before port has finished the sentence.

We will get a lot better then pick 40. Take it to the bank.

 

[Turbocat]

Huh? Last year we made very deliberate moves to get in Ollie Henry, Tanner Bruhn (both 20), Jhye Clark and Jack Bowes (24). The cynicism is kind of unwarranted.

The question was ... ... I wonder what the club is thinking Rebuild or Top up like they have years gone bye?


My post was. ....I wonder if "the club" see it in a unanimous way. If it were up to Scott he would just keep the same approach going.



So .... I stand by what i said...

If Chris Scott was in total charge of recruiting ... I doubt he changes our approach based on this years results...he will keep proceeding with what we have been doing. He will not drastically change our list .He was be tempered. He will keep as many matures that he thinks will contribute to be competitive in 2024.


I am a little disappointed that you chop half my quote and take it out of context. You set it up as if Im bagging him. All I said was ...I doubt he will change based on this years results and I doubt all within the club are identical in their thinking on what we should do with list management


The other part of my point was relative to the original question ... .."I wonder which way the club was thinking"... My response was that I doubt that all within the club see it the same way.


We certainly have changed approach since Cook has gone and Hocking has taken over... and only last year we altered going for some younger trades.... but we originally were looking at Hopper. Was not that long ago when there was disagreement over the picks used for Cameron. Is it that unrealistic that not all would think the same thing?


As far as cynical ... well I cant deny that .... ...but it has nothing do with that comment

 

[D BRIDGE]

Thanks god our game v the Doggies is before the GWS/Blues game otherswise the Dogs might have been playing in a dead rubber and not tried.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Bowes was described as an elite user but to date he's been something of a turnover merchant - especially last night.

Still, he probably plays Rd 1 next year.

Played different role for us .
I would him to have a role either HB,wing ,or what ever.

He was HB at GC and had kick outs ..mid early days there.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Yeah it's been a roller-coaster with Bowes. I thought he sounded great based on preseason then he looked bad for a while, he still isn't setting the world on fire but he's been improving. I thought he was alright yesterday other than a skyballed kick. Was certainly having a go when others were jogging

Bowes has had a year to learn the system and thought he did pretty good in a very tough year. I am hoping they actually give him more time in the centre as I think he attacks the ball well and good hands in close.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Let's move the discussion away from Bruhn. We can at least agree the current midfield is not getting it done

Yep,

That horse has jumped the fence ....

 

[SkittleCats]

Parish, smith and Darcy. Need a ruck and about 3 mids…

Can we put a pin in the Darcy talk? He's a plodder and staying at Freo anyway.

Grundy is the only ruck worth looking at, and by the sounds of it he wont come down the highway so it's Stanley and Conway next year.

Parish and Smith would be nice though.

 

[Tackle_happy]

Do you think that the AFL will allow North to have pick 2, Sanders and pick 3 as compo for Mackay? Can't see that happening. Or hoping not to at least.

There's no way the AFL or the other clubs would allow it.

Pick 1, Pick 2 for McKay, and then give them end of Round 1 that they have to trade out for a player (which we then get as we gift them Parfitt).

 

[Warhorse]

You've had this explained to you before in great detail yet you keep ignoring it. None of our mids play more than 70% in most games. If what you said was true, the other mids would be playing 85+% to compensate - but they're not.

This obsession with Bruhn needs to stop. Did you see Danger last night? Hell have you seen most of our midfield besides Atkins this season? Bruhn has done more than enough in his first proper season at the club. Your need to pile on after every game is just getting ridiculous now - especially when we have much bigger problems.

That settles it then. I guess our midfield is perfect and the reason we are losing is due to Sav and the backline

 

[Turbocat]

I completely disagree with the "go young and reset" principal and I don't think we should ever aim to "improve our access to youthful talent" which basically means be deliberately s**t to get high draft picks.

There is clearly a balance where you can bring through younger players while competing. We've struck that balance incredibly well over the last 5 years and we should continue to do it. That means bringing young players into the side once they can contribute if we think they can be excellent players over time just like we've done with Miers, J Henry, Holmes, SDK, etc. But it doesn't mean actively going into rebuild mode.

Quite simply any team with Cameron, Stewart and Guthrie in their peak years shouldn't even be considering going into full rebuild mode. That doesn't mean forgetting about developing players or selling the farm for average trade ins like Hawthorn and Richmond did but it doesn't mean turfing good players just cause they're the wrong side of 30 either.

I completely disagree with your concept of what I said in the quoted post. You miss the ..."If in doubt" part of the quote.

...but maybe you see it different. If we are in doubt about 2e for example ... we should stick with him? He has played a few game this year. So all the older guys on the edge ..in balance we keep them? I doubt you want that as you talk about balance and bring younger players thru.

Do you disagree with what we did last year by improving access to youthful talent? We added players rated 4 r1 picks in their draft year last year. Bowes is not worth that now but I think the other three have helped the standard of our kids. Bruhn and Henry have played most of the year

Not once did I infer that we deliberate choose to lose. The consequence of going young might be lose a few more games for a while but its more about getting game into kids..and get them to 50 asap. Go young and reset the age profile of our list before Tass come in.... yes but not cull the list and I your inference that I said tank to get high draft picks is incorrect..... although it seems to have turned Haw around by doing that its not exactly what id do.



Let me say again. Any player that is in balance ...he might be ok or he might not be ..... then i would prefer ..to go young and reset.

Add players that are younger ..not older. Youth. 25 and younger. Younger free agents. Maybe 26. Parish as a Free agent OK Do not add a mature players near 30 as the next 3 years is a time move the balance and the age of the list. We have far too many near and over 30 if we are not in contention.

As good as Cameron Stewart and Guthrie are ..alone they will not be enough . Having Guthrie this year would have helped but not that much that it would have changed the saints game.

If we keep adding older players and do not keep adding youth like Bruhn, Clark , Henry etc ... the best we can add .. then we will not have to deliberately try to get high draft picks. Our best players are getting older.. Our best younger players under them..tomorrow best players are not to the same standard. We need talent and we need it be 25/26 or younger. Something with a 3 to 5 year horizon.

 

[Turbocat]

Definitely worth another year. Looked a class above.

We thats one player that most of us would have thought was gone.

 

[Live in hope]

The GC Suns have a tonne of fit talent on their list that are stuck in VFL. Wonder if we should ‘money ball’ for a couple of 20-23 YOs - a ruck and quickish mid (who can also play running defender). Could break up any pick for Sav and other any player seeking a trade.

 

[Shadow89]

That settles it then. I guess our midfield is perfect and the reason we are losing is due to Sav and the backline

That's not what I said at all, and you know it. Being completely disingenuous now, when I referenced the rest of our sub-par midfield bar Atkins, in comparison to Bruhn.

Thank god there's only one game left so you can leave the poor kid alone for 6 months.

 

[Turbocat]

Look we have to get a ruck it's non negotiable because one you need at least 3 afl ruck options for next year and two conway needs someone to share the load with as he eases in, we will break him josh fraser style if he doesnt have support (given his injuries already etc).
But I agree whether you think you can win the flag next year determines which ruck-if you do then you push hard to get Grundy, if not you take a recycled ruck (flynn, sweet, hayes etc) to fill a hole for a year or two until either Conway is ready or you can get Darcy/TDK/someone else. Will be interesting to see which way we go.

Agree on kolo-i just dont see much of a market for him-yes if doedee is coming we could trade him but I doubt we would get a decent pick for him. If we could then i'd look at it.

Watching a bit of the VFL.. Conways marking is better than anything else we have had as a ruck for a while. Stanley at his best. Id rather just keep adding that type. Be it Pike or whoever.

Then we need a mature to help next year... I dont see Grundy wanting us..or that we should trade our R1 or anything like that for Grundy.

I think we mostly agree...we do have to do something but I dont want it to be as expensive as I think Grundy would be. I think he will look at Port or Swans before us.

I really doubt CS will let his form allow Kolo to be traded. It would be very different to how he likes to have his side. A fit motivated mature player is far more reliable than a younger player. Keep him or not , is no real issue for me ..but we have to add a younger tall capable of being played if required. Someone listed. Even Rookie.

 

[rocker_oz33]

The GC Suns have a tonne of fit talent on their list that are stuck in VFL. Wonder if we should ‘money ball’ for a couple of 20-23 YOs - a ruck and quickish mid (who can also play running defender). Could break up any pick for Sav and any player seeking a trade.

They got good depth.
Unsure if enough of them are good enough for an long AFL career.

 

[rocker_oz33]

The VFL system and draw surely can't be good for players pushing their case.
Seem to have a bye every 4th week.