List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Winmar2Lockett]

Yeah that's gunna blow hard if he starts ripping it up elsewhere.

My whole point is make him feel the love & take a risk with a guaranteed 2 year deal. Maybe that swings him our way.

For a club light on for talent, letting him walk seems bizarre.

I know it was almost 30 years ago but the club didn’t show faith in Joel Smith & watched him build a fantastic career in different colours as a result.


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[Mowman]

My whole point is make him feel the love & take a risk with a guaranteed 2 year deal. Maybe that swings him our way.

For a club light on for talent, letting him walk seems bizarre.

I know it was almost 30 years ago but the club didn’t show faith in Joel Smith & watched him build a fantastic career in different colours as a result.


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Crazy to let him go

 

[Mowman]

If Brandan Parfitt is available, rather him over Dow & Jordan. A 3rd rounder pick for him.

I would rather Gresh and Coff over all 3 of them

 

[BrutThough]

My issue with trading Billing’s, well I have two issues really.
injuries have kept him from playing his best over the last seasons. He is not alone there. Does not mean he is not a good player because he is, better than Higgins and Butler and certainly able to play more positions than both.

if we trade him and he gets his body right it may just come back to bite us, why take that risk for a low pick.

But my main issue is that his life long friend in Jack Sinclair could possibly think well I m not keen on how you treated my family friend and may go and join him.

Best to just keep him and see what happens, he needs a big pre season.

Sinclair isn't going anywhere. Contracted long term and his mum would probably kill him if he tried to leave.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Get rid of Coff - jeez I hope not.

Look at the melts after Blacres eventually strung together a few good games in a row 5 years after we got rid of him.

Of all the injured players we've had over the past couple of years Coff is the last one I'd let go.

Draft prospect: Nick Coffield

Watch highlights of 2017 draft prospect Nick Coffield in action

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[stavro#4]

My whole point is make him feel the love & take a risk with a guaranteed 2 year deal. Maybe that swings him our way.

For a club light on for talent, letting him walk seems bizarre.

I know it was almost 30 years ago but the club didn’t show faith in Joel Smith & watched him build a fantastic career in different colours as a result.


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Nearly 30 years ago we traded a bloke who is on the AFL Mount Rushmore.

That worked out well for us.

Not every decision has to end in tears and regret.

 

[kernelT]

My whole point is make him feel the love & take a risk with a guaranteed 2 year deal. Maybe that swings him our way.

For a club light on for talent, letting him walk seems bizarre.

I know it was almost 30 years ago but the club didn’t show faith in Joel Smith & watched him build a fantastic career in different colours as a result.


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100%

Not sure how we ****ed up Smith after taking him with pick 5 and he looked unbelievable before doing his knee.

Fair draft haul looking back - Smith, Brown, Sziller, Jones.

Let's not do that again, we have heaps of spuds on the list to shift before Nick.

 

[kernelT]

Not every decision has to end in tears and regret.

Would you believe 80%?

 

[Strahany]

I really don't see a problem with signing Coffield on a 2 year deal with a reasonable pay-cut from his prior contract.

A number of our players suffered soft tissue injuries over the pre-season. Athletes returning from any long-term injury will be more susceptible to both suffering an identical injury and developing new injuries elsewhere in the body. It was clear that the strength and conditioning staff pushed the team too hard, and our more vulnerable players suffered, like Hayes and Coffield coming off ACLRs.

Coffield needed surgery on his hamstring as a result of that pre-season loading program, followed by sustaining a calf strain, which he later re-injured.

I would blame the hamstring more or less 100% on the strength and conditioning team, and potentially on the surgery if it was the grafted hamstring that was injured. The calf could go either way, but I'd give Coffield's body the benefit of the doubt and say that it could well have been how he was pushed in training, once again.

Coffield's injury history is by no means clean, or simply riddled with freak contact injuries, but this isn't a Dan Hannebery situation just yet. He has shown more than enough to justify a 2 year deal.


tl;dr Coffield isn't injury prone (yet). sign him

 

[stavro#4]

Would you believe 80%?

Look mate. I like to live a simple life.

If…. Good fortune is what happens when opportunity meets with planning

And this is what Thomas Edison believed. Then it’s good enough for me.

 

[Jesuswasacarpenter]

Get rid of Coff - jeez I hope not.

Look at the melts after Blacres eventually strung togethor a few good games in a row 5 years after we got rid of him.

Of all the injured players we've had over the past couple of years Coff is the last one I'd let go.

Draft prospect: Nick Coffield

Watch highlights of 2017 draft prospect Nick Coffield in action

www.afl.com.au

I saw him up close at training in Jan. Looked ripped AF Unit.

 

[kernelT]

Look mate. I like to live a simple life.

If…. Good fortune is what happens when opportunity meets with planning

And this is what Thomas Edison believed. Then it’s good enough for me.

Well I'm a simple man (some may say stupid) but I like to live a very complicated life.

Pour me somethin' tall and strong
Make it a Hurricane before I go insane
It's only half past twelve, but I don't care
It's five o'clock somewhere

That's what Alan Jackson and Jimmy Buffett once said and it has always stuck with me.

 

[Yawkey way]

I never said anything about his professionalism.

But it’s worth making the point… what if he gets injured for large parts of next season?

That’s 3 seasons gone in a flash and still guaranteed on the books for another year?

For me, diligence is a 1 year deal with triggers for another year and if he fails it’s up to the club to make the call about another year.

Outside of 2020. He has actually shown very little and that’s not me being a prick. It’s just the truth. We are still hoping he becomes the player he was looking like being 3 years ago. But he never topped 23 touches in a game.

Ultimately, I’m just so over the hope of potential. Unfortunately for Coffield Injuries have hurt him and I want to keep him. But I would be putting it on him to deliver on another year.

What are you talking about, coffield signed a contract did everything expected of him and copped a fairly common although major injury. Now it’s all prove it take one year, seriously you either rate him and back him in which means two years on reasonable money or you’re happy strangely to say you don’t think he’s going to make it and let him walk. All this blaming players who put their bodies on the line and wind up injured is just nonsense. Maybe it‘s an issue if they don’t rehab properly or it’s constant soft tissue but that’s not the case with coffield or billings for that matter. Looks like we’ve failed to show him the love and he’s looking elsewhere well blame the club not the player imo.

 

[gringo2011]

Nearly 30 years ago we traded a bloke who is on the AFL Mount Rushmore.

That worked out well for us.

Not every decision has to end in tears and regret.

Well it didn't end up well. We had a peak in 1997 then turned to shit again and took years to stop being a terrible side again. We turned Plugger into Joel Smith at pick 5, Chris Hemley at 13 and Aussie Jones at 47. Also got Josh Kitchen and Glen Nugent thrown in.

We traded the greatest player of all time for Aussie Jones basically. I loved Aussie but he was a good player not a legend.

It's sad that one of our greatest ever didn't finish a one club player.

 

[stavro#4]

Well it didn't end up well. We had a peak in 1997 then turned to s**t again and took years to stop being a terrible side again. We turned Plugger into Joel Smith at pick 5, Chris Hemley at 13 and Aussie Jones at 47. Also got Josh Kitchen and Glen Nugent thrown in.

We traded the greatest player of all time for Aussie Jones basically. I loved Aussie but he was a good player not a legend.

It's sad that one of our greatest ever didn't finish a one club player.

We made a grand final we were favourites for.

Thats a pretty good position to be in

 

[gringo2011]

What are you talking about, coffield signed a contract did everything expected of him and copped a fairly common although major injury. Now it’s all prove it take one year, seriously you either rate him and back him in which means two years on reasonable money or you’re happy strangely to say you don’t think he’s going to make it and let him walk. All this blaming players who put their bodies on the line and wind up injured is just nonsense. Maybe its issue if they don’t rehab properly or it’s constant soft tissue but that’s not the case with coffield or billings for that matter. Looks like we’ve failed to show him the love and he’s looking elsewhere well blame the club not the player imo.

But turning a former pick 8 into a third round pick in a shit draft will make us play in a premiership next year so stop bleating.

 

[gringo2011]

We made a grand final we were favourites for.

Thats a pretty good position to be in

Having Lockett might have helped us win it. Not sure that it was getting Smith and Jones that made us a premiership favourite side.

 

[stavro#4]

What are you talking about, coffield signed a contract did everything expected of him and copped a fairly common although major injury. Now it’s all prove it take one year, seriously you either rate him and back him in which means two years on reasonable money or you’re happy strangely to say you don’t think he’s going to make it and let him walk. All this blaming players who put their bodies on the line and wind up injured is just nonsense. Maybe its issue if they don’t rehab properly or it’s constant soft tissue but that’s not the case with coffield or billings for that matter. Looks like we’ve failed to show him the love and he’s looking elsewhere well blame the club not the player imo.

Wtf are you talking about?

Injuries are part of the game. That doesn’t mean loyalty over what’s right for the direction of the club.

It has nothing to do with Coffields character and I never mentioned anything of the sort.

At the end of the day. This is a business and it’s a business decision that needs to be made.

If Coffield is as good as everyone believes he is and will be. Then it’s a non issue.

There is a reason list managers and coaches aren’t an emotional mess like you’re being with that post and there is a reason only 2 of the other 17 clubs have an interest.

 

[bird_man]

It was reported that when Lyon went to Freo, Barlow made a point of saying "you didn't like me " , but it was probably at the stage of his career where he was pretty confident and done tongue in cheek.

I still think we would have won a premiership if Barlow had been a Saints rookie.

He loves Lyon. You only have to google Ross Lyon and Michael Barlow and you will see many glowing endorsements.

He spent this whole podcast after Ross got sacked talking up how good of a coach he was and how he made Fremantle relevant.

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I'm not sure a out that comment, I haven't seen it but I can only guess it's tongue in cheek as he was one of Lyons main men during their successful period of playing finals.

 

[stavro#4]

But turning a former pick 8 into a third round pick in a s**t draft will make us play in a premiership next year so stop bleating.

What does it matter he is a former pick 8?

Going by gringo maths

We are getting a former pick 3 and former pick 10.

We are better off.

 

[phantom13]

Wtf are you talking about?

Injuries are part of the game. That doesn’t mean loyalty over what’s right for the direction of the club.

It has nothing to do with Coffields character and I never mentioned anything of the sort.

At the end of the day. This is a business and it’s a business decision that needs to be made.

If Coffield is as good as everyone believes he is and will be. Then it’s a non issue.

There is a reason list managers and coaches aren’t an emotional mess like you’re being with that post and there is a reason only 2 of the other 17 clubs have an interest.

Not to be third man in here but not everyone advocating for Coff to be offered a two or even three year contract are being emotional we’re just noting that the player and club might be better served to offer him some security.

I see your point but if Brisbane offer him 2 or 3 and he wants to stay with 2 then I’d be disapponted if we didn’t match it. If brisbane wants to offer him 4 or 5 or he just wants out then absolutely, let him go.

It’s not unreasonable or emotional to suggest offering him some more security given the history and the clubs contribution to it

 

[stavro#4]

Having Lockett might have helped us win it. Not sure that it was getting Smith and Jones that made us a premiership favourite side.

And yet we made a grand final with those 2 and never with him.

There is no science to this.

The point I was making was that past decisions aren’t an accurate predictor of future ones.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Nearly 30 years ago we traded a bloke who is on the AFL Mount Rushmore.

That worked out well for us.

Not every decision has to end in tears and regret.

Yeah it was 30 years ago but the similarities are glaring.

Top pick, shows he’s got talent, does knee, uncontracted, gets short changed on new deal, opposition comes in, offers security.

The final bit about Joel Smith becoming a flipping AA for flipping Hawthorn is what I would like to avoid happening again.

Its not going to mess up our cap if we offer a guaranteed 2 years FFS.


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[stavro#4]

Not to be third man in here but not everyone advocating for Coff to be offered a two or even three year contract are being emotional we’re just noting that the player and club might be better served to offer him some security.

I see your point but if Brisbane offer him 2 or 3 and he wants to stay with 2 then I’d be disapponted if we didn’t match it. If brisbane wants to offer him 4 or 5 or he just wants out then absolutely, let him go.

It’s not unreasonable or emotional to suggest offering him some more security given the history and the clubs contribution to it

The emotion was the post telling me “what am I talking about”

Everyone can have their opinion. I’m perfectly content if the club decides to look after its own interest. Which is exactly what’s happening with Gresham and widely accepted on here


If people want to offer a multi year deal on a bloke who has missed 2 seasons of afl level football and his most recent season was a disaster compared to his best season in 2020. That’s fine too.

 

[bird_man]

The Coffield situation definitely reminds me a lot of the Joel Smith trade back in the 90s.

If he leaves he will go on to have a very good career somewhere, we will get bugger all for him and watch in sadness