call me old-fashioned but I like the romance of the father-son pick. But yes you are right, he has the choices outlined and rightfully so.
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sorry edited it to state "drafted" academy graduates but you already picked up on that.
not all sources state if they were drafted from an academy, and on top of that it is time-consuming to compile. There does not seem to be an available article listing it.
I understand. Melbourne faces a similar prospect with Jeff White's son being part of the Suns academy.
Whilst I'd love to draft him, I could understand the kid's decision if his preference was to stay at home on the Gold Coast to be near family and also playing alongside his academy mates.
yep you can understand it.... just a shame for the game that a lot of eliting football families with talented juniors are opting to place them in development programs from a young age... it is a disgusting abuse of the system.
How is recruiting Luke Hodge and Jeff White's sons who are obviously from footballing backgrounds and keen junior footballers from a young age helping "grow the game" in NSW or QLD? it defeats the supposed purpose of the academies. They should not be allowed under the rules to be academy drafted.
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Wikipedia pages of each individual draft (which I use habitually) does say for all academy players (I believe).
However there are some more complicated cases like academy players drafted by other clubs or academy players taken in rookie or category b.
Certainly for the ordinary cases (most of them) though Wikipedia does a good job.
Underrated tool.
that is where i fell short when I had a look, as there are a few around I think.
if I get the time I might revisit it.
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Although I am opposed to it, an argument for how it grows the game is that by having hodge in the QLD academy system his skills and his father's knowledge are being fed into their system, helping to pull up others (and the same for white and the other sons of afl legends).
Surely all those benefits could still be gained by letting father sons be part of academies but only being able to be taken by the Northern clubs if they aren't selected by their f/s clubs.
Seems fair. F/S should take priority over an academy choice. I want to see a decade of Hodge running around in Hawks colours...
You have a lot of feelings and were making some very definite statements about it earlier. Isn't this something you've already looked into?
No, I don't get all emotional like yourself and start going the man when confronted with a debate, which is why I suggest things here are too much for you from your posting history. I simply think the academies are an artificial construction to give specific teams a leg up and keep them competitive. It is not about growing the game; it is about $$$ and the AFL trying to attract more viewership and ratings in these regions.
I looked at it briefly, but I would have to individually count the exact academy numbers drafted as I have been unable to find it on a website. Given that just between Sydney and GWS it was approximately 15-20 or so less over the decade than father-son picks, I would suggest throwing in Brisbane and GC is going to easily tip it well over the number of FS combined between just 4 clubs. Would be interesting for someone to look at it fully though. I just do not have the time
You spent hours mangling posts on bigfooty, I'd suggest you do.
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the football academies in nsw and queensland are the talent pathways in those states
there is no equivalent of colts or the APS system in nsw or queensland for afl
these ex players are putting their kids into these academies to give them the best chances of becoming afl players - if the kids want to stay put at the end and nominate the academy club rather than open draft than that is just the end result of the larger issue which academies seek to redress
unless you think the northern clubs are encouraging footballers to move to queensland / nsw just to put their kids which have no guarantee of being much chop at football into their academy, i do not see how it can be viewed as a 'disgusting abuse of the system'
I invite you to meditate on the conclusion you've drawn about post numbers and free time.
You are making statements about others having a lot of free time as part of your usual go-the-man stuff, when you have been spending more time in this thread than anyone else. Perhaps start going the topic, if you cannot handle that, probably best you cool off and go elsewhere.
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Bris:
2012: Bourke
2013: Freeman, Archie Smith
2014: Liam Dawson, Harris Andrews, Hammelmann
2015: Hipwood, Keays, Wagner
2016: Watson, Allison, Grewar
2017: Ballenden, Payne
2018: McFayden
2019: Coleman, Cumberland, Martyn
2020:B Coleman, Samson Ryan, Michael
2021: Uwland
2022: Brain
2023:
GC:
2012: Boston
2013: Jarred Ellis
2014: Pruess
2015: Chol, Joyce
2016: Bowes, Scheer, Spencer
2017: Crossley, Nutting, Jacob Dawson, Heron
2018: Bailey Scott, Caleb Graham
2019: Budarick, Conroy,
2020: Davies, Jeffrey, Fyfe, Nicholls
2021:
2022: Johnston
2023: Walter, Read, Rogers, Graham
GWS:
2012: Zach Williams
2013:
2014: Steele, Logan Austin, Finlayson
2015: Hopper, Kennedy, Himmelburg, Flynn
2016: Setterfield, Perryman, Cumming, Mutch, Macreadie, Tiziani, Garthwaite, Sproule
2017: Spargo, Shipley
2018: Briggs
2019: Green
2020: Shaw
2021: Fahey
2022: Rowston, Madden, Gilbee
2023:
Syd:
2012: Naismith, B. Jack
2013: Perris
2014: Heeney, Hiscox, Abe Davis, Foote
2015: Mills
2016: Ben Davis
2017: Bell, Brown
2018: Blakey, Wicks
2019:
2020: Campbell, Gulden, Sheather
2021: Edwards
2022:
2023: Cleary, May, Cabor
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Having a quick skim over it that looks about right. Nicely done.
Guys, you can literally google 'X academy graduates'.
Í did. My first post was pointing out how inaccurate your statement was when you tried to claim that players like Warner and Cunningham were high-end Swans academy draft picks.
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Academy players drafted, not just graduates of the program.
...Do you honestly think these clubs are listing the thousands of players who've gone through their academies on their websites? Have you actually even tried this very basic google search which gives you the result on the first page?
Again… here is the question I initially asked.
Has anyone got a total list of the number of academy graduates drafted from all northern academies??
Jeff Whites son isn't playing for the Suns, it is seemingly a forgone conclusion he wants to play for Melbourne, so we are just getting him nice and ready for you. Working as the academy should.
Yes, and the clubs have these on their websites. This is something that would have turned up with literally a minute of thought and typing on Google.
Here: GWS Giants academy graduates
yes i saw that one, GCS, Sydney, Brisbane do not have a similar list.
Again, please re read the question. I did not ask how many draftees from GWS, i asked from all northern academies. you did your usual emotional ranting then gave a link which doesn't even answer the question.
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