Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[MarcMaverick]

So after you vote greens/ one nation/ clive palmer/ all the independents, which major do you put first?
Do you go purely tactical (against a sitting member)?

I'd rather not put them at all. And anyway all of those other parties you listed have some sort of inclination to either the ALP or the LNP. Need a third party to truly represent the people and not kowtow to the left or right.


In other words, I would rather both majors to cease to exist.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I'd rather not put them at all. And anyway all of those other parties you listed have some sort of inclination to either the ALP or the LNP. Need a third party to truly represent the people and not kowtow to the left or right.


In other words, I would rather both majors to cease to exist.

Sure but in the real world, next election what do you do?

 

[MarcMaverick]

Sure but in the real world, next election what do you do?

Vote Teals/Indi. Then don't know what to do WRT ALP/LNP. Toss of a coin.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Keep changing the parameters until you get a result you like.

Solid response, climate change hoax guy.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Victoria Über Alles

 

[Number37]

Sure-and I’m not disagreeing, but I know plenty of teachers who haven’t had experiences as wild as his. Definite impacts- but mild in plenty of students. I’ve already acknowledged it will have negative consequences- many of which may be long- lasting and severe-I just think it’s not as simple as attributing everything to Covid.
As in the rest of the community- the impacts varied greatly. And as I said, I’ll be very interested down the track to read studies about its impacts on students, and the rest of us. Not sure one can quite get the full picture just yet?

Many people (cookers) like to conflate short term impacts with longer term impacts and pretend they're always the same thing.
It's a no brainer that things like lockdowns in the midst of a global pandemic are going to impact the schooling of children.
Whether those impacts are long term is yet to play out.
I fear that the education departments and teachers in general will use Covid as an easy out to explain the ongoing poor performance of school children. That is my fear because you don't hear anything about what education departments and teachers are doing about managing the problem so that it doesn't automatically result in adverse long term consequences for school children.

The worst part of it is what Gralin said above, Covid is still here, there are still people dying from it, there are still impacts on businesses, schools and society in general, far too many people are pretending it's all over.

 

[Number37]

Or a 50kg pregnant woman in pajamas who posted on Facebook.

She deserved to be arrested.
She's not special, the rules apply to everybody.

 

[Number37]

You didn't follow the conversation.

You didn't acknowledge a basic fact.

 

[Gethelred]

You didn't acknowledge a basic fact.

That fact being?

 

[Number37]

That fact being?

Children were exposed to a traumatic event BEFORE lockdowns.

 

[Del203211]

That fact being?

Didn’t think I’d ever see the day that I’d see you being called a cooker

 

[Number37]

Didn’t think I’d ever see the day that I’d see you being called a cooker

You're making a bad habit out of making up what I say.
Is that because your only contribution is to make sh!t up?

 

[Del203211]

You're making a bad habit out of making up what I say.
Is that because your only contribution is to make sh!t up?

Only one person provided anecdotal evidence here, as a teacher. Which was Gethelred.

Who else were you referring to as a cooker?

Bad habit, when else has this occurred? You wouldn’t be making shit up now would you?

 

[Number37]

Only one person provided anecdotal evidence here, as a teacher. Which was Gethelred.

Who else were you referring to as a cooker?

Bad habit, when else has this occurred? You wouldn’t be making s**t up now would you?

Cookers aren't 'many people'.

 

[Del203211]

Cookers aren't 'many people'.

Oh right. Cool.

Many people (cookers) like to conflate short term impacts with longer term impacts and pretend they're always the same thing.

 

[Romeoh1]

Many people (cookers) like to conflate short term impacts with longer term impacts and pretend they're always the same thing.
It's a no brainer that things like lockdowns in the midst of a global pandemic are going to impact the schooling of children.
Whether those impacts are long term is yet to play out.
I fear that the education departments and teachers in general will use Covid as an easy out to explain the ongoing poor performance of school children. That is my fear because you don't hear anything about what education departments and teachers are doing about managing the problem so that it doesn't automatically result in adverse long term consequences for school children.

The worst part of it is what Gralin said above, Covid is still here, there are still people dying from it, there are still impacts on businesses, schools and society in general, far too many people are pretending it's all over.

I think the schools are up against it at the moment with staff shortages and bureaucracy making life more difficult, so dealing with any Covid impacted kids /hangovers is going to be a bridge too far?
It will take a number of years before we can really assess the consequences on all areas of society- and it’s always going to be difficult to measure it all accurately, but it hasn’t been good!

 

[Gethelred]

Children were exposed to a traumatic event BEFORE lockdowns.

Are you going to keep stringing me along forever, or is there a point to this little exercise?

 

[MarcMaverick]

That fact being?

Didn’t think I’d ever see the day that I’d see you being called a cooker

Only one person provided anecdotal evidence here, as a teacher. Which was Gethelred.

Who else were you referring to as a cooker?

Bad habit, when else has this occurred? You wouldn’t be making s**t up now would you?

Just put N37 on ignore, you life will be better. Let 'em scream into the void

Are you going to keep stringing me along forever, or is there a point to this little exercise?

Or keep doing that. Whatever works.

 

[Gralin]

Many people (cookers) like to conflate short term impacts with longer term impacts and pretend they're always the same thing.

The anti lockdown crowd blame all our current issues on lockdown.
The antivaxxers blame it all on the vaccine.
Lockdowns did impact on mental health but they weren't a sole contributor.
Schools being closed impacted on development but again not a sole contributor.

It's a no brainer that things like lockdowns in the midst of a global pandemic are going to impact the schooling of children.
Whether those impacts are long term is yet to play out.

To me the lockdowns are part of the pandemic.
Everywhere had lockdowns it's just how long and how strict.
Everywhere has exposure to the virus, we escaped a lot of the death trauma in the first 18 months by having closed borders and lockdowns.
We've had plenty since and it's still going on now it's just not being reported on, much like most of the ongoing health issues many are having.

I fear that the education departments and teachers in general will use Covid as an easy out to explain the ongoing poor performance of school children. That is my fear because you don't hear anything about what education departments and teachers are doing about managing the problem so that it doesn't automatically result in adverse long term consequences for school children.

Which again as mentioned above, we're not out of this yet and we're talking about 18+ months of impact prior to governments pretending everything is normal.
I'm a firm believer that covid exposed the flaws of our systems and accelerated the decline they were already on.
I'm talking across the board, not just education.
Governments have been going down this path for a long time and the only way you can actually address this is changing how you fund and value education.
The teachers and other education staff can only do so much without the proper support and funding from government.

The worst part of it is what Gralin said above, Covid is still here, there are still people dying from it, there are still impacts on businesses, schools and society in general, far too many people are pretending it's all over.

Yeah it's human nature, we can't fix it so we pretend it's not happening

 

[Number37]

I'm a firm believer that covid exposed the flaws of our systems and accelerated the decline they were already on.
I'm talking across the board, not just education.

The biggest flaw in our system, which was again exposed by Covid, is that money won't, and doesn't, solve any problems.

Governments have been going down this path for a long time and the only way you can actually address this is changing how you fund and value education.
The teachers and other education staff can only do so much without the proper support and funding from government.

I'm not blaming teachers, however, in some ways they are part of the problem.
99% of teachers are ill equipped to deal with child mental health. They are teachers not mental health professionals.

 

[evolved2]

Number37

Do you think teachers should also be qualified mental health professionals? That's a long education pathway and you'd need to pay them the same as doctors.

 

[Number37]

Are you going to keep stringing me along forever, or is there a point to this little exercise?

You made definitive statements linking lockdown to mental health issues in school children.
If you don't know what a post hoc fallacy is then look it up.
There is far more at play than just lockdowns.
Therefore, it is misleading, in fact irresponsible, to put the blame for mental health issues in children squarely on lockdowns.

 

[Number37]

Number37

Do you think teachers should also be qualified mental health professionals? That's a long education pathway and you'd need to pay them the same as doctors.

In an ideal world, Yes.
But we don't live in an ideal world.

 

[Gralin]

The biggest flaw in our system, which was again exposed by Covid, is that money won't, and doesn't, solve any problems.

Given we had a known funding shortage currently it would certainly help somewhat.

I'm not blaming teachers, however, in some ways they are part of the problem.
99% of teachers are ill equipped to deal with child mental health. They are teachers not mental health professionals.

See I'd point to that being an issue of mental health being undefunded and inaccessible as well.

In an ideal world, Yes.
But we don't live in an ideal world.

No, in an ideal world they'd have access to mental health professionals at the schools

 

[Number37]

Oh right. Cool.

It's not just cookers that perpetuate cooker-like myths.
If I wanted to say just cookers, I would have said just cookers.
But I understand that someone who constantly claims Dan Andrews is corrupt with zero supporting evidence doesn't have the best comprehension skills.