Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[dangerwood]

Maybe it's just me - but this seems bit of a stupid system if it closes before the trade deadline is reached

The whole thing is stupid. They've brought the "window" forward and hour or allow more trades to be done as well...just make it a week Monday to Friday and be done with it.

 

[Hinkley29]

The whole thing is stupid. They've brought the "window" forward and hour or allow more trades to be done as well...just make it a week Monday to Friday and be done with it.

Nah, remove the window altogether.

Let clubs trade whenever they want.

 

[SkittleCats]

Not sure i can stomach Sav going for 25 while Collingwood load up on picks for Ginnivan.

Pick 25 is nothing. If Port dont add something then he should be sent to the draft, as the outcome for us is the same in the end. Sometimes it's not worth accepting less just to make an individual player happy when the club loses out.

 

[CoreyJoel]

Not sure i can stomach Sav going for 25 while Collingwood load up on picks for Ginnivan.

Pick 25 is nothing. If Port dont add something then he should be sent to the draft, as the outcome for us is the same in the end. Sometimes it's not worth accepting less just to make an individual player happy when the club loses out.

Pick 25 is more than enough for an out of contract Sav who doesn't want to be at the club.

I would much rather the opportunity to pick a kid at 25 who is motivated to succeed and play for the club than to take nothing at all..

 

[TheCattery2007]

Port will be absolutely crazy not to improve the offer. If Cats let him slip to the draft North will certainly use one of their late teen picks to replace Ben McKay

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3.8

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2.7

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1.7

4star

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77.2

1star

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7.5

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4.5

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3.0

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2.5

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1.5

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3.4

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2.4

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2.0

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67.8

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and that message is probably being made loud and clear to Port. Give us a future second to sweeten, maybe we give a future 3rd and its done. If Port allow him to go to the draft many players will be nervous accepting Port overtures in the future…


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[year of the cat]

The contract that Port are offering is much more than what we would have offered to extend him. Unless we were prepared to match it then we really can’t be too obstinate in holding up the trade. Pick 25 (29) plus change is about right.

 

[Iago]

Maybe it's just me - but this seems bit of a stupid system if it closes before the trade deadline is reached

Daylight Savings?

 

[Hinkley29]

The decision to accept or not accept pick 25 as a trae for Sav pretty much boils down to how many players we intend to draft. If we intend to draft 2 or more players, it would make no sense to let Sav walk for nothing.

At this stage it all just feels like posturing. Port’s footy boss wants to have a win in the public eye, and we don’t want to be seen as pushovers. If our only goals for this trade period are trading Sav out and going to the draft, then there is no way we will walk away from pick 25 if that is all that is on offer. And I think Port know that.

 

[SkittleCats]

Pick 25 is more than enough for an out of contract Sav who doesn't want to be at the club.

I would much rather the opportunity to pick a kid at 25 who is motivated to succeed and play for the club than to take nothing at all..

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet **** all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

 

[Hinkley29]

Not sure i can stomach Sav going for 25 while Collingwood load up on picks for Ginnivan.

Pick 25 is nothing. If Port dont add something then he should be sent to the draft, as the outcome for us is the same in the end. Sometimes it's not worth accepting less just to make an individual player happy when the club loses out.

How is pick 25 nothing? At the moment our 2nd pick in this coming draft will be at the very end of the draft, however many picks that will be.

Pick 25 may not be what we want, but it should move us up at least 15 picks in this draft from where we are currently picking.

 

[FootyLad0]

How is pick 25 nothing? At the moment our 2nd pick in this coming draft will be at the very end of the draft, however many picks that will be.

Pick 25 may not be what we want, but it should move us up at least 15 picks in this draft from where we are currently picking.

Yeah i was fine with 25. It's not nothing

 

[gogeelongcats]

Port will be absolutely crazy not to improve the offer. If Cats let him slip to the draft North will certainly use one of their late teen picks to replace Ben McKay and that message is probably being made loud and clear to Port. Give us a future second to sweeten, maybe we give a future 3rd and its done. If Port allow him to go to the draft many players will be nervous accepting Port overtures in the future…


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Is that pick swap such a deal breaker. I do not think so.

 

[Hinkley29]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

We held him to his contract because he was our only KPD depth and we were in contention for the flag. And given where we ended with injuries in 2023 it was absolutely the correct decision.

 

[Lingsface]

Mitch Duncan pick 28 there are a lot of good players that have been picked up in that area and let’s be honest Sav still looks like a category B rookie that is learning the game.

 

[Hinkley29]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

Our 2022 trade period was one of the best out club has ever had. Getting o Henry, bruhn, bowes and pick 7 for massive unders has pushed us forward about 2 years in terms of development of our list.

What were we offered for Sav last year? I think you will find it is less than what we are being offered this year.

Mackie is not the right guy for the job? Wow

 

[fpm84]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

What we will get for Sav today is more than Port could offer last year when they only had #33 due to trading away other picks for Horne-Francis. Holding him for another season increased his value as he played plenty of senior footy this year, and we will get a better return than we would have 12 months ago.

 

[SkittleCats]

What we will get for Sav today is more than Port could offer last year when they only had #33 due to trading away other picks for Horne-Francis. Holding him for another season increased his value as he played plenty of senior footy this year, and we will get a better return than we would have 12 months ago.

From 33 to a pick that will end up being 29? Are you joking?

We kept him a year and it got us...exactly the same as if we had let him go last year. If we couldnt push Port to add more to the deal last year when Sav was under contract then why would we think keeping him a year and letting him go out of contract would do anything to increase the return we get for him this year.

Again, this is shaping up as a massive balls up from Mackie.

 

[SkittleCats]

Our 2022 trade period was one of the best out club has ever had. Getting o Henry, bruhn, bowes and pick 7 for massive unders has pushed us forward about 2 years in terms of development of our list.

What were we offered for Sav last year? I think you will find it is less than what we are being offered this year.

Mackie is not the right guy for the job? Wow

So 1 good trade period defines a career? Or that he now gets to escape criticism forever because of it?

 

[Willo_]

The idea that we should knock back 25 and instead let him walk for nothing is the most bone headed dumb shit I have read.

Why turn getting something into getting nothing just cos, when the player clearly wants to go...
So many footy fans are f**king idiots.. it isn't taking a stand or making a statement, it is just being stupid

 

[moond0g]

Our 2022 trade period was one of the best out club has ever had. Getting o Henry, bruhn, bowes and pick 7 for massive unders has pushed us forward about 2 years in terms of development of our list.

What were we offered for Sav last year? I think you will find it is less than what we are being offered this year.

Mackie is not the right guy for the job? Wow

Last year's trade period was a huge success, no doubt.

But I think it's overstated a little by how skewed the Bowes deal was. The others in isolation were about par.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

I'm a fan of your posts for the most part, but gee you're going early here.

There's an argument to be made that we've already improved our hand on what we would have gotten last year. Port's offer was a pick in the mid 30s, and that was before NGA/FS bids.

25 is a good pick. Not a great pick, but a pick in a range that has produced a gazillion quality AFL footballers over the journey.

We're not talking about building through the rookie draft here like you appear to be making out.

Just off the top of my head, these players have been selected from pick 25 onwards.

• Chad Warner
• Robbie Gray
• Luke Shuey
• Jai Newcombe (MSD)
• Steve Johnson
• Jeremy McGovern
• Sam Mitchell
• Mark LeCras
• Corey Enright
• Tom Stewart
• Jack Crisp
• Tex Walker
• Matthew Stokes
• Simon Black
• Rory Sloane
• Touk Miller
• Sam Taylor
• Max Gawn
• Mitch Duncan
• Dean Cox
• Luke Parker
• Lachie Neale
• James Sicily
• Sean Darcy
• Gryan Miers
• Brad Close
• Tyson Stengle
• Jack Henry
• Michael Walters
• Zach Merrett
• Ollie Lord (Who's become the second coming of Wayne Carey over the last few weeks.)

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I don't know what you were expecting, but it's Esava Ratugolea that we're trading here FFS.

At best, we were going to get a first round pick in the teens. Pick 25 doesn't get you jumping up and down on the couch, but there's still every chance we pick a very good footballer at that pick.

If you're of the belief that we can only produce players with first round picks, then we're f***ked regardless.

There hasn't been a single club in history who's produced a premiership side doing that.

 

[moond0g]

Nah, short of a miracle, pick 25 will end up being off the list in 2-3 years time: it's worthless. Although that wouldnt stop some on this forum rating whoever we take with that pick as the next big thing and "we have to give him games to know for sure" despite the fact that this player will do sweet * all in the VFL. For some will do anything to keep the fantasy alive that a team can be built in 2023 by finding diamonds in the rough with picks in the 30' and 40's alone.

Maybe the club thought they were a legit chance of keeping Sav? In which case they a) severly overrate him and b) didnt read the bloody tea leaves last year when Sav cryptically told the club: "I want to leave"...Which is starting to indicate that maybe Mackie isnt the right person for this job. Last year we had the opportunity to extract the most from a Sav deal, this year the best possible option is to send him to the draft out of spite.

I get that we didnt really need to do much in the trade period this year, our chances next year will be defined by the health of the list and the emergence of younger players, not a big trade addition. But unless something good comes from the Sav deal, i cant for the life of me understand why we held him to his contract last year.

The thing I don't understand about the argument that '25 is worthless, therefore we might as well not accept it', is that without 25 we're basically forced to take consecutive picks at the very end of the draft, whenever that may be.

There may only ~50 picks as people are saying. But if pick 25 ain't worth taking, picks 51, 52, 53 sure as hell aren't.

 

[Shadow89]

Thank god this sh*t is over in 4 hours, lol.

 

[cats_09]

 

[SkittleCats]

I don't know what you were expecting, but it's Esava Ratugolea that we're trading here FFS.

At best, we were going to get a first round pick in the teens. Pick 25 doesn't get you jumping up and down on the couch, but there's still every chance we pick a very good footballer at that pick.

If you're of the belief that we can only produce players with first round picks, then we're f***ked regardless.

There hasn't been a single club in history who's produced a premiership side doing that.

It doesnt matter who we are trading, what matters is his relative value to both teams. Obviosuly we want to keep him and Port desperatley need him to free up Houston and Aliir. That makes his value greater than what 25 would give us in return: an entirely speculative rookie who history says will end up off the list within a few years. Port have been low balling us this entire time because he is out of contract so believe they can get him cheap.

The club cant come out and say: "We want a first round pick or Ollie Lord" and then turn around at 7:28pm tonight and say "oh alright i guess we'll take 25 and the peanuts under Hinkleys chair thanks Port".

I dont necessairly disagree with your argument regarding what we could get with pick 25, but thats not the issue. The issue is Sav's worth to both clubs is higher than that, but Port refuse to acknowledge that and we will look ****ing pathetic if we take 25 after all this.

We have been backed into a corner here because we refused 25 and Port traded away every other asset they have to trade with. In this case capitulation is not a path id be prepared to consider. The lesser evil in my view is to send him to the draft, that way the message is clear: we wont roll over to faciliate every trade request that comes from players we deem as required and valuable if the return isnt adequate compensation to the club.

The issue beyond that is how we got into the corner in the first place, and that seems to be down to not letting him go last year, when we might have been able to get something more if we had entertained the trade then. Or that we seriously thought that we could actually convince him to stay. Thats a question mark over Mackie, did he manage this situation well? I dont think so at this point in time.